• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:50
CEST 20:50
KST 03:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 224ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon315.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes38Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)99
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 ZOWIE DIVINA preview Server Blocker StarCraft Mass Recall: SC1 campaigns on SC2 thread 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes
Tourneys
HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos)
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Five o'clock TL Mafia NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5822 users

Missing feature for HOTS (Custom ladder) - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Tedde93
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
December 21 2012 03:51 GMT
#21
On November 23 2012 07:55 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:02 Shortynut wrote:
The only possible downside is that custom ladders will be dominated by forum groups and pro teams. if you allow them as well as forum groups to start their own custom ladders in NA it will essentially draw away from the actual competitive ladder AND come down to those which are "most Played/Rated" or which offer the biggest reward (not necessarily monetary but PR/exposure). For a group of friends that just want to have some sort of 'fun competition' or 'see who's the best of us' type of thing it's a great idea, I just see problems arising when you have a "custom ladder" there to draw away from the "ranked ladder". Your idea of variable maps is cool too, except that most of the maps are untested compared to the ones in WoL, and we all know how bad most of the WoL maps were/still are.


Uh. That was my point. The maps used in regular ladder have been tested and we all know how bad most of those maps have been or still are. The downside might be that we`d actually have to experiment on new maps? And that is a downside?
It might take away from ranked ladder? As if ladder fear and map boredom already didn`t accomplish the same thing? The people who want to be competitive on the blizzard ladder will play on the blizzard ladder.
The others will just throw their hands up in the air and use their sc2 discs as a massive paperweight. At least a custom ladder system might forward an incentive to try out other alternative UMS ladders and if gated properly blizzard could profit on the userbase having fun.

Eventually you will get to a point in HOTS where blizzard balancing becomes stale, the maps used in the pro scene won`t ever be featured, and as such the whole aspect of a competitive game is trashed online while a quiet murmuring will linger, waiting for a second Destiny thread or simply moving on with their lives.


Another downside for a custom ladders would be increased que times in the main ladder, the customs ladders would also have a long waiting time, you would basically be splitting up the community between differant ladders. With a smaller playerbase you will also get alot more uneven matchups. The ladder wouldn't be a the best place for pros to train even if the prominent maps were used since pros genereally need spcified training instead of ovearall to get better. Say your tvz is really good compared to the other 2 matchups it would be alot better to just focus on the matchups you are bad at until you get to the same level with them as your tvz which is not something you can do on ladder.

You prophesize what will happen during the HotS period, but I don't see why you or Destiny for that matter would actually know how things are going to turn out, neither of you work at blizzard nor know how they are going to do things moving forward. Even if they decide to not feature pro maps I'm not sure that is neccesarrily a bad thing. The ladder ins't made specifiacally for pros. What the pros want and what the average player wants in the map may very well differ and keep in mind that the pros are only a VERY VERY small percentage of the player base. If I remember correctly 40% of all ranked players are bronze league.

Destinys thread was in my opinion just stupid and filled no funktion. Blizzard most likely didn't change ANYTHING beacause of it except maybe posting those blog posts a bit ahead of schedule, all it did was throw up unneccesary controversy. Starcraft won't die aslong as there are people willing to play it. Nor do I think ums are as important now as they were in the past, there wasn't as much competition. For them to benefit the e-sport scene aswell they can't be to unlike the normal starcraft game an example of this would be fastest map possible. If it is something that is very differant from starcrafts core gameplay I don't see those players being involved in the starcraft scene because of it say legion td. I for one played alot of custom games in wc3 but i didn't give the slightest fuck about the e-sport scene but all the mods i played deviated ALOT from the core gameplay of wc3 such as tds, footmen etc. Back to the point I don't think ums games are as attractive now as they were back then since there are so many FREE alternatives that are just as good or better. Why would I play some sc2 ums instead of say LoL or something similair or legion td (Which i must say is really fun, it might be called squadron td in sc2). LoL for example doesn't really have an ums scene (with the exeption of all-random all mid)but it is doing great anyway and alot of people tune in to streams and e-sports and that is because people keep playing the main game which is very attractive since the game is constantly evolving, if they stopped introducing new heroes and patching the game every few weeks the games player base would take a nosedive, then you have sc2 it doens't change alot at all but people still tune in to play it and that just shows how great a game sc2 actually is.
Patiance is the element of succes"
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
HomeStory Cup
11:30
XXIX - Playoffs Final Day
Clem vs ReynorLIVE!
TBD vs Serral
TaKeTV7148
ComeBackTV 2316
TaKeSeN 694
IndyStarCraft 476
3DClanTV 184
Rex121
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 454
Rex 121
BRAT_OK 54
MindelVK 34
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18459
Calm 2751
Shuttle 1063
Rush 540
Mini 231
910 198
EffOrt 168
ZZZero.O 137
actioN 70
soO 39
[ Show more ]
Hyun 36
Rock 23
Dota 2
qojqva4526
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
fl0m1565
byalli470
pashabiceps270
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu395
Other Games
Grubby3904
B2W.Neo1009
KnowMe450
ArmadaUGS163
UpATreeSC45
JuggernautJason9
Tefel5
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick46795
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream161
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 28
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie931
• Shiphtur354
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
1d 16h
PiGosaur Cup
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W1
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.