• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:17
CEST 12:17
KST 19:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview3[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced9
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers
Strategy
Custom Maps
Mighty Ha.cker Recovery Three Days Redemption Lost [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Do we have a pimpest plays list? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (Spoiler) Asl ro8 D winner interview BW General Discussion AI Question
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1371 users

Missing feature for HOTS (Custom ladder) - Page 2

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Tedde93
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
December 21 2012 03:51 GMT
#21
On November 23 2012 07:55 Madkipz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2012 07:02 Shortynut wrote:
The only possible downside is that custom ladders will be dominated by forum groups and pro teams. if you allow them as well as forum groups to start their own custom ladders in NA it will essentially draw away from the actual competitive ladder AND come down to those which are "most Played/Rated" or which offer the biggest reward (not necessarily monetary but PR/exposure). For a group of friends that just want to have some sort of 'fun competition' or 'see who's the best of us' type of thing it's a great idea, I just see problems arising when you have a "custom ladder" there to draw away from the "ranked ladder". Your idea of variable maps is cool too, except that most of the maps are untested compared to the ones in WoL, and we all know how bad most of the WoL maps were/still are.


Uh. That was my point. The maps used in regular ladder have been tested and we all know how bad most of those maps have been or still are. The downside might be that we`d actually have to experiment on new maps? And that is a downside?
It might take away from ranked ladder? As if ladder fear and map boredom already didn`t accomplish the same thing? The people who want to be competitive on the blizzard ladder will play on the blizzard ladder.
The others will just throw their hands up in the air and use their sc2 discs as a massive paperweight. At least a custom ladder system might forward an incentive to try out other alternative UMS ladders and if gated properly blizzard could profit on the userbase having fun.

Eventually you will get to a point in HOTS where blizzard balancing becomes stale, the maps used in the pro scene won`t ever be featured, and as such the whole aspect of a competitive game is trashed online while a quiet murmuring will linger, waiting for a second Destiny thread or simply moving on with their lives.


Another downside for a custom ladders would be increased que times in the main ladder, the customs ladders would also have a long waiting time, you would basically be splitting up the community between differant ladders. With a smaller playerbase you will also get alot more uneven matchups. The ladder wouldn't be a the best place for pros to train even if the prominent maps were used since pros genereally need spcified training instead of ovearall to get better. Say your tvz is really good compared to the other 2 matchups it would be alot better to just focus on the matchups you are bad at until you get to the same level with them as your tvz which is not something you can do on ladder.

You prophesize what will happen during the HotS period, but I don't see why you or Destiny for that matter would actually know how things are going to turn out, neither of you work at blizzard nor know how they are going to do things moving forward. Even if they decide to not feature pro maps I'm not sure that is neccesarrily a bad thing. The ladder ins't made specifiacally for pros. What the pros want and what the average player wants in the map may very well differ and keep in mind that the pros are only a VERY VERY small percentage of the player base. If I remember correctly 40% of all ranked players are bronze league.

Destinys thread was in my opinion just stupid and filled no funktion. Blizzard most likely didn't change ANYTHING beacause of it except maybe posting those blog posts a bit ahead of schedule, all it did was throw up unneccesary controversy. Starcraft won't die aslong as there are people willing to play it. Nor do I think ums are as important now as they were in the past, there wasn't as much competition. For them to benefit the e-sport scene aswell they can't be to unlike the normal starcraft game an example of this would be fastest map possible. If it is something that is very differant from starcrafts core gameplay I don't see those players being involved in the starcraft scene because of it say legion td. I for one played alot of custom games in wc3 but i didn't give the slightest fuck about the e-sport scene but all the mods i played deviated ALOT from the core gameplay of wc3 such as tds, footmen etc. Back to the point I don't think ums games are as attractive now as they were back then since there are so many FREE alternatives that are just as good or better. Why would I play some sc2 ums instead of say LoL or something similair or legion td (Which i must say is really fun, it might be called squadron td in sc2). LoL for example doesn't really have an ums scene (with the exeption of all-random all mid)but it is doing great anyway and alot of people tune in to streams and e-sports and that is because people keep playing the main game which is very attractive since the game is constantly evolving, if they stopped introducing new heroes and patching the game every few weeks the games player base would take a nosedive, then you have sc2 it doens't change alot at all but people still tune in to play it and that just shows how great a game sc2 actually is.
Patiance is the element of succes"
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
09:30
2026 Season 1: Ro8 Group B
ByuN vs herOLIVE!
SHIN vs TBD
Zoun vs TBD
Ryung 813
IntoTheiNu 310
CranKy Ducklings SOOP71
Rex12
GSL EN (SOOP)0
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 813
OGKoka 192
Rex 12
herO (SOOP) 1
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 3949
Calm 3780
Sea 2309
Bisu 1038
Horang2 346
EffOrt 308
BeSt 276
Stork 220
Hyuk 216
actioN 206
[ Show more ]
Zeus 191
Snow 163
Soulkey 150
Pusan 131
ZerO 129
Leta 125
Light 112
Killer 85
Mong 70
Rush 62
ToSsGirL 59
Last 50
Hyun 46
ggaemo 43
Backho 26
Hm[arnc] 25
sorry 20
Bale 16
Sacsri 16
soO 15
scan(afreeca) 15
Shinee 13
Shine 12
Nal_rA 9
SilentControl 8
Movie 7
Terrorterran 7
Noble 6
ajuk12(nOOB) 4
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm91
XcaliburYe47
BananaSlamJamma35
Counter-Strike
allub193
edward186
x6flipin146
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King101
Other Games
gofns10918
summit1g6014
singsing707
monkeys_forever156
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 639
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1010
• Lourlo774
• TFBlade734
• Stunt405
Other Games
• WagamamaTV81
Upcoming Events
OSC
43m
OSC
2h 43m
Replay Cast
13h 43m
Escore
23h 43m
The PondCast
23h 43m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Big Brain Bouts
1d 5h
Fjant vs Bly
Serral vs Shameless
OSC
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 23h
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
1d 23h
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
Artosis vs TerrOr
spx vs StRyKeR
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
BSL
3 days
Dewalt vs DragOn
Aether vs Jimin
GSL
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs Leta
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-05
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.