• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:34
CEST 15:34
KST 22:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)10Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week1Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Rogue EWC 2025 Hype Video!
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 SOOP Starcraft Global #22 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 32079 users

Carrier Micro - Page 31

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
Post a Reply
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 Next All
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
September 24 2012 22:43 GMT
#601
I just wish Blizzard gets wind of this message, well said NonY
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
September 24 2012 22:57 GMT
#602
On September 25 2012 07:43 DanceSC wrote:
I just wish Blizzard gets wind of this message, well said NonY


Nony said on his stream just now when I asked that apparently they responded and said they liked the changes, but right now they're focusing on the hots units. To me it sounds like they could eventually change, but they won't be changing initially.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-24 23:06:42
September 24 2012 23:04 GMT
#603
On September 25 2012 07:57 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2012 07:43 DanceSC wrote:
I just wish Blizzard gets wind of this message, well said NonY


Nony said on his stream just now when I asked that apparently they responded and said they liked the changes, but right now they're focusing on the hots units. To me it sounds like they could eventually change, but they won't be changing initially.


We're seeing some community discussion on units that we shipped with Wings of Liberty. Examples include:

- Carrier
-Thor
-Void Ray
-Ghost

While we are very willing to change these units down the road we are not focused on them for the next few weeks. We are very interested in what kind of strategies we are introducing with the new beta units as well as what types of balance problems we are creating.

Obviously you can post on any subject you like and if you want to talk about older units feel free. We will definitely read your posts on older units. But we probably won't make balance or design changes of any significance to older units anytime soon. Once we stabilize the balance on the new beta units we will take a look to see what changes make sense to older units.


-Dustin Browder

This was exactly a week ago.




Currently not as worried about Carrier as much as the new HotS units, but extra special thanks to Nony's video, we're thinking on 2 possibilities in the future:

leashing thing
Interceptor launching thing

But let's try to focus on HotS if we can. -Dayvie, from the pro forum (I think we're aloud to post this stuff?)


-goswser
MMA: The true King of Wings
Zergrusher
Profile Joined November 2011
United States562 Posts
September 24 2012 23:42 GMT
#604
Carriers

Why did they have there armor dropped from 4 to 2?



wcr.4fun
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium686 Posts
September 24 2012 23:47 GMT
#605
On September 25 2012 08:42 Zergrusher wrote:
Carriers

Why did they have there armor dropped from 4 to 2?





Marines

Why do they have 5 extra health and the +1 range standardly included (compared to bw)?
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
September 25 2012 02:08 GMT
#606
15 extra health is more like it.

Colossus.

Why?

User was warned for this post
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20284 Posts
September 25 2012 05:29 GMT
#607
On September 25 2012 11:08 RavenLoud wrote:
15 extra health is more like it.

Colossus.

Why?


Terrible terrible damage :D:D

From my limited brood war play and spectating though, reaver does seem a lot more fun, although i wasnt there to experience it at the height of the game, the higher volatility of spider mines, reaver shots, higher flat out damage siege tanks is very exciting, watching one of Sayle's casts of proleague + Show Spoiler +
Watch from 7:40
made me wish some of those volatile but skill based mechanics were accessible in sc2
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
DodgySmalls
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada158 Posts
September 25 2012 05:58 GMT
#608
Someone get browder on the hotline lol.
Please remove nyx assassin
Divine-Sneaker
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1225 Posts
September 25 2012 06:39 GMT
#609
Just, yes.

That is all.
sacrilegious
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada863 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 16:44:41
September 25 2012 16:41 GMT
#610
I saw this video, and was quite impressed and didn't even know BW carriers had that design that utilized a players skill to make the carrier even more efficient offensively. It makes me appreciate SC1 and BW more when I never gave the game a chance in the past, rather than play WC3. The fact Blizzard even acknowledged it on their b.net forums and would "consider it" is awesome.
blarkh
Profile Joined December 2011
Austria72 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-25 17:58:49
September 25 2012 17:57 GMT
#611
On September 26 2012 01:41 sacrilegious wrote:
I saw this video, and was quite impressed and didn't even know BW carriers had that design that utilized a players skill to make the carrier even more efficient offensively. It makes me appreciate SC1 and BW more when I never gave the game a chance in the past, rather than play WC3. The fact Blizzard even acknowledged it on their b.net forums and would "consider it" is awesome.


It's funny, to me all those skill based things you could do in bw look more like bad programming than like deliberate design. I highly doubt that Blizzard programmers actually wanted this mechanic to be in the game. Of course it makes the game more fun, but just like the thing where lurkers can't normally be put on hold, magic boxing mutas and all those kinds of things it seems like they were originally bugs that pro gamers started to abuse. If I'm right, it's really funny, because it means that the big problem with sc2 is its consistent and bug-free programming.

Edit: mutas are magic boxed. That's the bug. Stacking was deliberate for sure.
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
September 25 2012 18:02 GMT
#612
Don't mean to be a negative nancy but i have a strong feeling these changes will never be implemented because the current Blizzard suffers from so much BW envy.
Prophanity
Profile Joined January 2012
United States165 Posts
September 28 2012 03:52 GMT
#613
I really do hope they take a look at this and actually implement these things. I understand that the SC2 team is pretty ambivalent toward Brood War and they are actively seeking ways to differentiate this game from that one, but those differences should be ones that improve the game, not harm it.

The whole "Brood War is a good game; go play it if you like it" attitude sucks for exactly things like this - reusing positive things is a sign of wisdom and acknowledgement that things were done right. Kicking and screaming against those things for the sake of being unique when this uniqueness is inferior just serves to shoot oneself in the foot.
methematics
Profile Joined August 2010
United States392 Posts
October 05 2012 06:15 GMT
#614
So is it being tested in the HOTS beta yet?
Alex1Sun
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
494 Posts
October 05 2012 06:23 GMT
#615
Great post! Let's make carriers more micro intensive!
This is not Warcraft in space!
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
October 05 2012 06:26 GMT
#616
On September 26 2012 03:02 ShadeR wrote:
Don't mean to be a negative nancy but i have a strong feeling these changes will never be implemented because the current Blizzard suffers from so much BW envy.


To an extent yeah.
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
October 05 2012 06:26 GMT
#617
On October 05 2012 15:15 methematics wrote:
So is it being tested in the HOTS beta yet?


I spose "lol" would be a suitable response?
Someone needs to bump this thread on the Blizzard forums, because they shut up the huge community whine by responding to it, now they can successfully let it die! - clever, very clever.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 11:37:22
October 05 2012 11:33 GMT
#618
On October 05 2012 15:23 Alex1Sun wrote:
Great post! Let's make carriers more micro intensive!

Watch your wording:

- "more micro intensive" sounds like players HAVE TO work more to use the unit, but that is not the case.
- "more microable" would be the positive version where the players are given more options by becoming good enough to micro the unit. The word "microable" isnt a true english word - yet -, but is established pretty well in the eSports scene.

Adopting micro like this for the units would be nice to have some more skill in using them for offensive purposes, because right now we only have "look out, the banelings are coming, its time to spread your marines" micro and some generic unit repositioning for greater concave or avoiding of forcefields. The two burrowed attacking units (widow mine and swarm host) are totally unmicroable as a unit concept and that is terribly boring.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Shkudde
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 11:56:36
October 05 2012 11:55 GMT
#619
[image loading]

nicopower5000 to the rescue!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263421&currentpage=28
$O$ | herO[jOin] | Zest hwaiting!
K_osss
Profile Joined June 2010
United States113 Posts
October 05 2012 14:08 GMT
#620
I'm glad it's being looked at and agree with the priority although it seems intelligent to make some changes during beta when the environment is perfect for it.
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
12:30
King of the Hill #214
CranKy Ducklings74
Liquipedia
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
!TR Invitational
Reynor vs MaxPax
ByuN vs ClemLIVE!
WardiTV1496
IndyStarCraft 255
Rex170
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 255
Rex 170
RotterdaM 95
ProTech68
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 51128
Rain 5168
Horang2 1903
Flash 1829
Jaedong 1332
EffOrt 958
Stork 435
actioN 435
Soulkey 335
Snow 316
[ Show more ]
Mini 253
Last 153
hero 139
Bonyth 91
Mong 69
sorry 54
Barracks 51
sSak 48
ToSsGirL 46
GoRush 29
Sharp 27
Icarus 20
yabsab 17
Backho 13
Terrorterran 10
zelot 8
HiyA 7
Shine 4
ivOry 3
Dota 2
qojqva2258
XcaliburYe343
BabyKnight40
Counter-Strike
markeloff201
allub151
edward110
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor179
Trikslyr47
Other Games
B2W.Neo933
C9.Mang0472
crisheroes374
DeMusliM349
Lowko278
ArmadaUGS159
Hui .136
QueenE41
NarutO 21
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 971
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH288
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3897
• WagamamaTV691
League of Legends
• Nemesis3010
• Jankos1770
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
10h 26m
RSL Revival
20h 26m
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 1h
SOOP
1d 19h
Cure vs Zoun
SC Evo League
1d 22h
Road to EWC
2 days
SOOP Global
2 days
Future vs MaNa
Harstem vs Cham
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
Sziky vs JDConan
Cross vs MadiNho
Hawk vs Bonyth
Circuito Brasileiro de…
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
Road to EWC
3 days
BSL: ProLeague
3 days
UltrA vs TBD
Dewalt vs TBD
Replay Cast
4 days
Online Event
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.