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.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 19:04:00
June 09 2011 19:03 GMT
#21
On June 08 2011 00:43 RaLakedaimon wrote:
I think having cerebrates would be cooler than queens in HotS campaign, mainly because it was something you grew up with in SC/BW and would kind of bring some nostalgia to those who have played since the first game came out. But then again they may find a way to make the queens in the game feel more baller than in multiplayer where there almost like a golden egg your trying to hold on to all game and not ever lose one lol.


It'd be kind of cool of that other advisor had some sort of tie to the cerebrates of old, but atm he just looks like a baneling/abomination mix.

I have no problem with Brood Mothers replacing cerebrates, as long as Brood Mothers and Queens are clearly differentiated, as Queens are expendable in-game units that cost supply.
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mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
June 09 2011 20:39 GMT
#22
On June 08 2011 02:49 dukethegold wrote:
Found it weird that the Overmind required numerous cerebrates to assert full control over the swarm while Kerrigan needed only herself. Back in BW, she had the player cerebrate and Duran.


Blizzard was kind of off in how they handled the portrayal of Zerg chain of command.

The OVermind should by all accounts be able to exert control over all of the swarm. They implied in their source material Cerebrates were needed for efficiency purposes. In turn Overlords AND Queens were used to help Cerebrates to help cerebrates in the same manner.

In the end we were left with what seemed to be inconsistencies with Queens not providing supply control over Drones and broods going insane when the Cerebrate dies.

When you look closer there wasn't any issues. When the Overmind died all the zerg rank and file units became frenzied even though the Cerebrates were alive and very much in control of their mental capacities.

This says the Overmind has a subconcious level control over the entire swarm but it abdicated conscious control to the Cerebrates so it can focus on higher function tasks without being stressed. The mental effort needed to regain control of the Garm brood was probably not worth it considering the time table they were on to prepare consuming the Protoss.




Was the cerebrate from the original the same cerebrate from BW?

The UED commander from BW that we played as is presumably a flowing corpse somewhere in the galaxy. Or inside a pile of muta crap.

The fate of the commander from the original who defected along with Raynor is also unknown.


The cerebrate from BW died in the Protoss campaign of SC. This was elaborated on in a novel. The cerebrate from BW was different and it got killed in a novel.

BW UED commander is dead.

The fate of the commander from SC isn't known by me but someone else may have some insight.

I personally enjoyed the Cerebrates but I don't mind they aren't coming back. I do mind that Blizzard is missing an opportunity to make the zerg a very compelling race by going a different route and rehashing the Warcraft 3 orc storyline into the zerg personal story.


The Zerg first and foremost were genetically modified parasites. These parasites formed a group intelligence in the same way ant colonies for intelligence as their population grows.

Eventually from that out growth the OVermind was created. This says to me that while the OVermind is dead the very essence of what created the overmind is not dead. Every zerg being and structure are born from these parasites.

They could have created a ZvZ campaign where a new intelligence spontaneously emerges from the swarm after the Overmind intelligence has failed to deliver the results the swarm needs to keep on being top of the food chain.
agahamsorr0w
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands359 Posts
June 09 2011 20:50 GMT
#23
if you had followed the story in sc1 then you would know they were all slain and the overmind also died. no overmind no cerebrates as the overmind keeps them alive.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 21:39:17
June 09 2011 21:32 GMT
#24
yep cerebrates are dead and kerrigan redesigned the queen to control zergs. Cerebrates had to much power and would have been a threat to her. She tryed to kill everyone that would have been able to kill her, why do you think the player was an exception . (or maybe it took her to much power to keep her pet cerebrate alive)
On a sidenote cerebrates were always annoying me in bw. So glad they are gone.

edit: oh right forgot to add, terrans should be capable of creating cerebrats, so there is no guarantee that the cerebrates are gone for good. Maybe mengsk wanted to kill kerrigan just so that his newly enginered cerebrates would be able to take control over the zergs.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 09 2011 21:52 GMT
#25
On June 10 2011 03:45 Bhaalgorn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2011 03:09 Gahlo wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:49 dukethegold wrote:
The fate of the commander from the original who defected along with Raynor is also unknown.


An interesting theory I have heard on that is that the commander is Horner.


Minor spoilers to the book Liberty's Crusade:

The book Liberty's Crusade portrays Danny Liberty to be the commander in the terran campaign from the original Starcraft. At least most of it, it's been a while but I distinctly remember the author saying that Danny Liberty alongside Raynor ordered to burn the infested command center on Mar Sara.


In the end Liberty is still alive and trying to spread the truth about Mengsk and his orders to lure the Zerg to Tarsonis to do his dirty work for him.


From what I know both zerg cerabrates from the original and BW are dead,the executor from the original is Artanis and the executor from BW is Selendis. The commander from the original is Danny Liberty and probably the commander from BW is some UED guy. I am not 100% certain though.




No. Nothing in the final paragraph is written in Liberty's Crusade and time and again Daniel Liberty is described as at best a civilian with no military knowledge. Not to mention you are referred to as Adjutant and all of the lore points against what you said.
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Bhaalgorn
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia214 Posts
June 10 2011 19:15 GMT
#26
On June 10 2011 06:52 Probe1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 03:45 Bhaalgorn wrote:
On June 08 2011 03:09 Gahlo wrote:
On June 08 2011 02:49 dukethegold wrote:
The fate of the commander from the original who defected along with Raynor is also unknown.


An interesting theory I have heard on that is that the commander is Horner.


Minor spoilers to the book Liberty's Crusade:

The book Liberty's Crusade portrays Danny Liberty to be the commander in the terran campaign from the original Starcraft. At least most of it, it's been a while but I distinctly remember the author saying that Danny Liberty alongside Raynor ordered to burn the infested command center on Mar Sara.


In the end Liberty is still alive and trying to spread the truth about Mengsk and his orders to lure the Zerg to Tarsonis to do his dirty work for him.


From what I know both zerg cerabrates from the original and BW are dead,the executor from the original is Artanis and the executor from BW is Selendis. The commander from the original is Danny Liberty and probably the commander from BW is some UED guy. I am not 100% certain though.




No. Nothing in the final paragraph is written in Liberty's Crusade and time and again Daniel Liberty is described as at best a civilian with no military knowledge. Not to mention you are referred to as Adjutant and all of the lore points against what you said.

The last part is indeed not from the book but it's what I think I know about the fate of the various commanders. Though it was clear, but maybe it's not.

You are NEVER referred to as adjutant in any terran mission from the original. You are referred to as magistrate. Not sure what you're exactly called in the BW campaign(terran part) but I am 99% certain it's not adjutant.


Basically most commanders retconned out of the lore so they're either dead or know characters. Closest thing to the magistrate from the original is Danny Liberty.
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