EPTKerrigan is evil or misunderstood? - Page 3
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Francis
Belize12 Posts
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vi3tmix
United States5 Posts
-Protoss are on the brink of extinction. Aiur is infested, and Shakuras was barely saved. They barely have enough to defend what's left, much less challenge the Zerg in an open war. -Terran are fractured. Confederacy was overthrown. Homeworld of Tarsonis destroyed (as well as many other populated worlds). Dominion beaten in battle by the UED. UED expeditionary forces defeated by the Zerg. -Zerg unified under Kerrigan's control. The sector was ripe for the taking. She had proven her dominance...and yet she just went into hiding. This is where I feel conflicted. She's holding back for some greater plan, and unfortunately it was never revealed. I think when it comes down to it, I can't believe her to be completely evil because she would've seized the opportunity right there and then. Not to retreat for 4 years, allowing the Terran to rebuild back to formidable strength (wtf by the way, WoL made it seem like they never even had TWO major wars within their own species). Evil is infesting worlds indiscriminately, for the sake of gaining ground and resources before crushing your opponent. Instead she defensively seeks the Artifacts, and withdraws into a defensive position when they were lost. Misunderstood being. Personally, I just want her to be evil. I want the "returning to human" to be PART of an act--some incredibly intricate plan. Kinda like in Death Note....those who seen it know what I'm talking about. | ||
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Billy_
461 Posts
Personally, I just want her to be evil. I want the "returning to human" to be PART of an act--some incredibly intricate plan. Kinda like in Death Note....those who seen it know what I'm talking about. Returning to human as some incredibly intricate plan would take a huge plot twist for it to make any kind of sense for the reasons you just mentioned. Also the Narud/Duran leading Moebius, who is leading Valarian who is controlling Tychus, who is leading Raynor... yeah. I am afraid that I'm not creative enough to even begin to fathom how this could have been Kerrigans plan. Not saying it's impossible, just a huge WTF for me to think about. Besides, it's more fun to have her start as a cripple for Heart. It's better for gameplay purposes. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 20 2010 13:39 Billy_ wrote: Nah that's not it. Just that there are always people who are going to whine and hate. And in case you haven't notice I haven't been denying the faults of WoL, but not meeting your personal expectations doesn't make it one of the worst games of the decade And complaining that the new villain is shit when there are still anouther 60 or so missions of SCII to build the character doesn't do you any credit either, especially not when the new villain barely had a part in Wings of Liberty. The problem is that instead of defending WoL you've just been coming back with, "Well BW did this and this and this!" So? Yea, we know that Blizzard has been notoriously bad at writing stories for over a decade now. You haven't been explaining how WoL isn't bad besides saying stuff like "Well the villain is new" and "We've still got two more games", neither of which are credible excuses for bad writing. I keep saying this - it wouldn't be excusable for the beginning of any trilogy to be terrible just because it's the first installment, why are we trying to give WoL that luxury? | ||
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Billy_
461 Posts
Maybe when you get the bile out of your system you'll start explaining what is so bad about the protoss big bad. And why you don't seem to think that it can improve. And how it could be made more interesting. The SCII plot so far seems a lot like what we're getting from Mass Effect. Do you think Mass Effect was shit too, or did you like the way they did the whole Reaper thing? Why you're making such a big deal out of a character which was obviously only in WoL for the sake of variety and foreshadowing anyway? I thought that the Zerg, Mengsk and Moebius were supposed to be the "villains" of WoL, and not this distant Dark Voice threat which we saw in this one mission? Maybe the lack of background information on this thing was intentional and that they'll be letting us know it's life story over the next two expansions? Kind of like how we knew nothing about the Zerg during the terran campaign of SCI, but as we played the other two perspectives got to know and appreciate everything more as we learned about their goals and origins? Clearly it's a big character for SCII, but it's not a major part of WoL so why should it get lots of this character development which you seem to be craving for? I'm sure I didn't say anything about BW in this thread, and I can't remember ever calling WOL better than BW. I've also mentioned the stuff I didn't like about WoL, and to give a brief reiteration it was mostly concerning the basics. Stuff like how disjointed the non-linearity can feel if you play the missions in a bad order, unfunny one liners, and taking on too many mini plots in one game. As for your problems, well I'm not terribly worried about most of that simply because WoL was a bit murky about how everything else will fall into place. Why did Kerrigan want the artifacts? Who is the Protoss big bad? What side are the Xel'Naga on? etc. Whole campaign played like a prelude imo. You seem to be way more serious and rigid with your fiction than me, so yeah... well I'll just continue to look foreward to HotS then and you can continue to be unhappy. But if you want to reply to this, I suggest doing so in a new thread or a private message. This is already derailed enough. | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
in brood war she is portrayed as a cold hearted mastermind, using her power to manipulate every other faction to her advantage and willing to commit xenocide by doing that. in sc2 she is simply portrayed as evil. There isn't much they paint about her except that she is evil, and a victim of the overmind. you could go on and philosophize about this, as many dictators have been adored, stalin is still adored by many russians who are victims of his regime. (if god is responsible for everything then he's evil amiright? Well no because you have been taught to think he is benevolent) If you philosophize about this you're bullshitting yourself though. She is portrayed as evil | ||
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
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OfficerTJHooker
Canada97 Posts
On October 19 2010 16:23 Nydus Wurm wrote: What I'm thinking for the story is that the Protoss kidnap now not-infested Kerrigan and plan to sacrifice her in a Satanic ritual to ward off the Xel'Naga. Unfortunately, Kerrigan wasn't a virgin, so the sacrifice doesn't really work and Kerrigan get's some demon powers. She's pissed at the Zerg for infesting her, so she uses her demon powers to grow giant wings and tries to ride a brood lord into Char to kill a cerebrate. Unfortunately, she doesn't think to bring a parachute, so when she tries to dismount the brood lord and her wings don't work because char is too hot, she breaks her legs on the ground. Now the Zerg think they can try infesting her again, and get a Demon-Eagle-Queen of Blades. At this point, Raynor get pissed that Kerrigan is missing so he tries to find the Protoss to figure out what they did with her. He get's in contact with Selednis, who tells him about the ritual and that the Zerg are trying to infest her again. So the Protoss and Terran team up, but Zeratul gets jeallous of how much time Raynor is spending with Selednis, so he plants a real virgin in the Hyperion's core. When the ship moves again, that virgin is sacrificed, so Satan gets some power. This is basically where the story falls apart, but I think that something with the Xel'Naga will happen. That's what I think. Anyone care to chime in? You lost me at "real virgin in the Hyperion's core" Also, Kerrigan's not a virgin? Wat is this, I don't even... | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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ihatepeace22
Canada4 Posts
On October 21 2010 04:23 OfficerTJHooker wrote: You lost me at "real virgin in the Hyperion's core" Also, Kerrigan's not a virgin? Wat is this, I don't even... Why do you think Jim was so mad when she got abandoned? | ||
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Shaman.us
United States319 Posts
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caewil
Singapore26 Posts
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spkim1
Canada286 Posts
ok sorry i'll stop What I think is that Blizzard didn't really think much about the development of the plot when making the first Starcraft, and so the plot may have flaws, (hell, even the Bible has flaws). What I'm more curious though, is how much a human Kerrigan became and how much of her is still zerg (because her hair is definitely not the orange flowing human hair she had before infestation) ..... and what powers she holds as a half-zerg now | ||
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spkim1
Canada286 Posts
Blizzard is trying to play with our sense of ethics : (assuming that in the end Kerrigan is the great savior) Kerrigan will both be responsible for genocide as well as be the saviour of all races ..... Should she be pardonned for her crimes, or "justice demands that she die", or even worshipped ??? To give her pardon would be just unfair to all those people who lost their loved ones (imagine if you lost your children or your sibling or your parent to a f*cking zerg led by Kerrigan) To kill her would be kind of fair but not really since she saved all (and killed the others) To worship her would be appropriate, but back to number one, I would give jack about a person who is responsible for the loss of a loved one, be they saviour or whatnot, and this would be shared by trillions of Terrans and Protoss throughout the universe (let's assume Zerg don't really have emotions ..... i mean, come on, they're aliens who breed insect-like eggs ..... ) | ||
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