I'm just wondering since they are the only new unit that really didn't show up in multiplayer if they actually were a multiplayer unit would anyone use them? I mean firing while moving does sound helpful for harass and they seem pretty good but still they are expenive and supply heavy and it is hard to say how useful that firing while moving would be

Craton

United States17236 Posts

August 05 2010 18:35 GMT

Of course people would use them. You could do tons of harass without taking any damage and then just get the hell out of dodge. They do bonus damage to armored, too.

Shiladie

Canada1631 Posts

August 05 2010 18:45 GMT

they'd see use, but not as much as craton seems to think. They are very expensive for what they do, and get steamrolled in any kind of pitched fight scenario. The siege tank just goes with more terran builds for that position in cost/tech.

Haemonculus

United States6980 Posts

August 05 2010 18:53 GMT

I'd rather have tanks over diamondbacks any day. And tanks are cheaper too!

No contest imho. Hell I don't use them in single player aside from the train mission.

yrba1

United States325 Posts

August 05 2010 18:53 GMT

Seeing that it hard counters armored + mobility makes the Terran look out of character if they'd put it in, Terran's were meant to hard counter at the cost of either mobility or health. An MMM that's stimmed can destroy those rustbuckets easily. But it does look to have potential against harassing expansions.

Stratos_speAr

United States6959 Posts

August 05 2010 18:54 GMT

Diamondbacks are incredibly powerful. They'd see plenty of use and I think that they could potentially be a balance issue.

Doughboy

United States721 Posts

August 05 2010 18:55 GMT

I would use them, phoenixes on ground that do additional damage to armored units. (Obv. this is simplifying it but that's the basic gist). They are a bit excessive in supply though.

B1nary

Canada1267 Posts

August 05 2010 18:58 GMT

I think they might be useful. 150 gas is alot but 200 health and 40 damage vs armoured is pretty good. You could probably get a few out by the time the Protoss gets Immortals and harass the hell out of his Stalkers. Even after the immortal comes out, I guess you could just do hit and run. Could also be useful against Zerg if he goes Roaches.

789

United States959 Posts

August 05 2010 19:03 GMT

Siege tanks were better at the mission designed to be good for diamond backs. They would probably see use as a harrassment unit (especially taking down unprotected expos) and would be a good counter to ultras, however siege tanks would be better in alot of situations. The diamondback is simply too expensive and would be outshined by siege tanks (more effective in most situations) and marauders (much cheaper in gas, can stim) to play a big role.

MangoTango

United States3670 Posts

August 05 2010 19:11 GMT

#10

On August 06 2010 03:31 McPwnage wrote:
I'm just wondering since they are the only new unit that really didn't show up in multiplayer

Spectre? Hercules? Perdition Turret? Panther? :|

JunZ

United States314 Posts

August 05 2010 19:25 GMT

#11

Yea, the 150 gas is way too much for the unit.

McPwnage

Canada48 Posts

August 05 2010 20:47 GMT

#12

On August 06 2010 04:11 MangoTango wrote:

Show nested quote +

Spectre? Hercules? Perdition Turret? Panther? :|

spectre = ghost
predator and hercules are both gimics
perdition turret is a building

AcrossFiveJulys

United States3612 Posts

August 05 2010 21:11 GMT

#13

On August 06 2010 05:47 McPwnage wrote:

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spectre = ghost
predator and hercules are both gimics
perdition turret is a building

goliath, ground medic, firebat, wraith

Bear4188

United States1797 Posts

August 05 2010 21:15 GMT

#14

On August 06 2010 06:11 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:

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goliath, ground medic, firebat, wraith

How are these new?

I do love 3 armor firebats, though.

Logo

United States7542 Posts

August 05 2010 21:16 GMT

#15

pre-igniter Hellions + Diamondbacks would probably be too good vs Zerg ground if they manage to get the diamondbacks out, would depend on their speed relative to roaches. Otherwise the diamondbacks are too expensive to actually be useful.

disco

Netherlands1667 Posts

August 05 2010 21:21 GMT

#16

On August 06 2010 06:15 Bear4188 wrote:

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How are these new?

I do love 3 armor firebats, though.

Did you see them in SC2 multiplayer?

789

United States959 Posts

August 05 2010 21:27 GMT

#17

On August 06 2010 06:21 disco wrote:

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Did you see them in SC2 multiplayer?

No they weren't in the multiplayer but they weren't really new units. They were returning units from BW, albeit changed a little bit.

guitarizt

United States1492 Posts

August 05 2010 21:30 GMT

#18

I thought they were cool in the mission where you got them but then I didn't use them after that. I still like them I just can't see myself using them instead of the other units. I think they're too easy to micro too the ai just autoshoots for you.

Klive5ive

United Kingdom6056 Posts

August 05 2010 21:38 GMT

#19

I don't think they'd see much use at all. Tanks pretty much dominate them in every way and Terran's really struggle for gas as it is.

DuneBug

United States668 Posts

August 05 2010 21:39 GMT

#20

I'm not sure what you would use them for. Terran already have pretty good mobility with helions and MMM (drops w/ medivacs). That's probably why they were removed from multiplayer.

It's a cool unit though. Maybe someone will make a custom map w/ bgh that has all the removed units enabled

Xapti

Canada2473 Posts

August 05 2010 23:27 GMT

#21

diamondbacks are really cool units, but I fear they are actually quite bad (even with their 2 upgrades). Diamondbacks were one of the first units I got, and once I completed the mission, I took both the upgrades, assuming I'd use them in all subsequent missions. Turns out I almost never used them again, and the two times I did, I would have been much better off not using them.

They are kinda slow, for a "fast" unit at least. I think speed zealots and zerglings would have a field day with them, while all sorts of other units would easily counter them for less cost and supply (void rays, phoenix, infestor, hydralisk, in fact, probably almost any army)
I may not have actually said this, so I'll say it now: They are too slow to be a real harasser unit. Not to mention what are they supposed to harass? they are worse then hellions or reapers at killing workers, and worse than reapers and void rays at killing buildings.

sevia

United States954 Posts

August 06 2010 00:05 GMT

#22

I can see them being used exclusively and extensively in TvT. Right now, since the matchup is for the most part Tank/Viking versus Tank/Viking, a siegebreaker like the Diamondback would be welcomed. The only thing Terran has that can break a critical mass of tanks is an overwhelming number of stimmed Marauders, but even then, it's very difficult to pull off.

Diamondbacks cost only slightly more than tanks, are roughly as resilient, but do ridiculous damage to armored units and can fire while approaching the siege line. I think it would add a lot of interesting dynamics to the matchup, at least more interesting than the trench warfare that the matchup is now.

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