After beating every mission on Brutal (although it's not counting All In for the Completionist achievement), I've been replaying missions on Hard for the various achievements I've missed.

I'm trying to understand what the pattern is in determining what upgrades/research you have access to when replaying a level and it seems pretty random. For example in The Outlaws (the second Mar Sara level), you get the Orbital Command but not any other upgrade as far as I can tell. However in the very next level (Zero Hour), you don't get any upgrades at all.

Then for some of the later levels it doesn't even give me the research/upgrades that I had at the time I first beat the level. (I started Media Blitz for the speed achievement, but when I saw no Tech Reactors I just ragequit

)

I'm wondering if anyone has managed to see a pattern here? What determines which upgrades, research or even units you'll get to use in a mission played from the mission archives?

TreyMendus

United States7 Posts

August 05 2010 14:25 GMT

You will need to start a new campaign to get the Brutal XX achievement. Replaying a mission you already have completed in brutal will not counted towards that achievement.
edit:: at least this is how it worked for me.

As for upgrades, they are all screwed up for me too. I theory you should just have the tech you had the first time you beat the mission. However I have had times where I didn't have any of my unlocks in replays. The work around I use is to go into the my documents folder find the starcraft II saves folder. Find one of the autosaves from the mission I want to replay. Copy that save into the campaign save folder. Then load said save; once the game loads abort the mission. Now you can replay that mission on any difficulty you like with all the upgrades you had at the time.

aseq

Netherlands3996 Posts

August 05 2010 15:11 GMT

This is the biggest fail in SC2 imo. Bigger than the tacky character lines

. I've posted in about 5 threads about this so far, and i'm still angry about it. I don't know if i'm going to start brutal all over again just to get this, it just pissed me off so much. Internal alpha anyone?

- It's unclear which missions you haven't finished in the archives (the 3 not-chosen missions)
- Which upgrades you get when replaying a mission seems to be illogical (orbital command in lvl 2, not 3).
- The quickest times for level completion don't carry over into other saves. Who will try to optimalize these now? Especially after the next point:
- Levels replayed don't count towards total difficulty completion. Even though you will have all the missions completed, you haven't completed them all. Restart your campaign, my friend!
- Sometimes you'll have all the achievements in 1 category, but not the total one (look here: link. The bottom one).
- You're able to get 'some' money for replaying missions. Some people get 180k per game, others nothing or like 20k.
- The last achievement for the SP campaign is missing.

How did they not see any of this?

professorjoak

318 Posts

August 05 2010 15:11 GMT

On August 05 2010 23:25 TreyMendus wrote:
You will need to start a new campaign to get the Brutal XX achievement. Replaying a mission you already have completed in brutal will not counted towards that achievement.
edit:: at least this is how it worked for me.

As for upgrades, they are all screwed up for me too. I theory you should just have the tech you had the first time you beat the mission. However I have had times where I didn't have any of my unlocks in replays. The work around I use is to go into the my documents folder find the starcraft II saves folder. Find one of the autosaves from the mission I want to replay. Copy that save into the campaign save folder. Then load said save; once the game loads abort the mission. Now you can replay that mission on any difficulty you like with all the upgrades you had at the time.

For Brutal ##, do you really need to start a new file or doesn't it suffice to reload an autosave before a mission then select Brutal difficulty from the star map as you said? I agree that you don't get credit for redoing a Brutal mission in the archives.

Barter

Brazil15 Posts

August 05 2010 15:49 GMT

I had no problem finishing the Brutal Completionist with the archives on the finished campaign.

The only problem I had was with the Brutal 25, I had the Brutal 20 and did like 24 missions but it was showing it as 17. I just redid All In on brutal by loading a save that was near the end of it and it fixed it somehow and I got the achievement.

Hope that helps.

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Topic:
Yeah I noticed that in some missions I got the automatic refinery or sometimes orbital command when redoing the mission later, and I have no idea how it is decided which upgrades you gonna get when you play it, could not figure out any pattern, it was not always all research upgrades, sometimes you had one but not the others, but almost always you had no armory upgrades, and mercenaries.

Alzadar

Canada5009 Posts

August 05 2010 18:09 GMT

For the Brutal Completionist, I did restart the campaign and beat every level on Brutal. I'm thinking it must be that I lost connection to b.net at some point while doing it.

Craton

United States17281 Posts

August 05 2010 18:30 GMT

Can't speak to that, but I know I did the whole campaign on Brutal, except the last mission on Hard. When I reloaded the last mission from a save and beat it on brutal I got the Brutal 25 achiever.