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RKC
2848 Posts
On June 24 2021 19:28 mahrgell wrote: Btw: I was the #2 for Matchday3 of 22k German users in Fantasy: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/m2qfDYh.png) YOYOYO (Word #1045 on MD3) Seems like we will be needing a seperate LR thread for England v Germany... (And mods working on OT) | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 24 2021 19:08 RKC wrote: It's not just about determining the champion. But also the top placements. Every team deserves recognition for its performance. By your logic, might as well randomised all knockout matches without seedings. Or put all the higher seed teams (group winners and best 2nd place finishers) in the same bracket. Since all that matters is determining the champion, doesn't matter who finishes as runner-up, semi-finalists, and so on. My logic is that there's plenty of seeding already encountered. This system is fine by my standards and yes, some teams will get lucky(Cze, Greece), some teams will get unlucky. That's how it is. Edit> I mean Cze 96 and Greece 2004 where we can talk about Cze being unlucky considering the form and the lineup  | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On June 24 2021 19:25 RKC wrote: That's true, but it's no fun watching a Spain-Sweden final or semi-final where one team is playing to score goals and the other just parking the bus for 120 minutes. Having high quality games has a commercial spin too. Why else do people come up with the European Super League (bad idea as it was)? Just watched back some of the previous matches. Scotland really played their hearts out - feel bad for them. Good performances from Denmark, Switzerland, Poland and Hungary. Results can be deceiving. And there's some huge element of bad luck from injuries and COVID (Eriksen, Gilmour, Busquets, etc) I agree that watching a Spain-Sweden final would be pretty meh, but that's what I don't get about complaints about the brackets being 'bad' in this championship -- a Spain-Sweden final would require Sweden to beat the winner of England/Germany first, then what will likely be Netherlands or maaaybe Wales/Denmark in the semis... if they get that far, that's not the problem of bad brackets, that's the problem of other, higher rated teams playing like shit. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On June 24 2021 20:28 Salazarz wrote: I agree that watching a Spain-Sweden final would be pretty meh, but that's what I don't get about complaints about the brackets being 'bad' in this championship -- a Spain-Sweden final would require Sweden to beat the winner of England/Germany first, then what will likely be Netherlands or maaaybe Wales/Denmark in the semis... if they get that far, that's not the problem of bad brackets, that's the problem of other, higher rated teams playing like shit. Exactly... Sweden is never gonna make it to the finals. I felt they looked rather shaky and even their win against Poland was somehwat lucky. I felt a winner for Poland there was more likely than the 3-2 (dang, actually thought it was 3-1 lol, had a few beers too many last night I guess and couldn't really remember Poland scored the 2-2, Sweden looked pretty shit though imo and I felt Poland deserved to win there). But yea, great that Sweden made it out, but they have no business battling for the tourney win. They will run out of luck at some point. Same goes for Spain at the other side of the bracket, although they've been playing some good football (with the finishing lacking). | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6241 Posts
On June 24 2021 17:40 Laurens wrote: Belgium's nightmare scenario: out against France in the semis again. Or worse, beat the French and then lose to Holland in the grand finals OH MY GOD PLEASE NO. Happy to go out vs Italy in Quarters XD That would be perfect. Beating Germany in the semi finals en Belgium in the finals. Knowing us we'll lose against Czech though. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 24 2021 22:39 RvB wrote: That would be perfect. Beating Germany in the semi finals en Belgium in the finals. Knowing us we'll lose against Czech though. Unless you score own goals you should be fine. Or give Shick an empty goal and the ball | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
 German media (Bild): "Facing England on Tuesday. At Wembley. In our favourite stadium. A classic. But we have to get better. Much better. Otherwise we will look old against the hitherto harmless English" | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3983 Posts
On June 24 2021 23:13 deacon.frost wrote: Unless you score own goals you should be fine. Or give Shick an empty goal and the ball I read somewhere yesterday that we are W 3 - D 3 - L 5 against Czech Rep. We were relieved when we heard we didn't have to play Portugal, but it's slowly sinking in that it's by no means an easy opponent. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On June 25 2021 00:29 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: "VAR will be used to protect referees so they don't make mistakes." https://twitter.com/JuanG_Arango/status/1408083636935663619 Can anyone roughly translate? Sounds like some normal chatter (by Latin American exuberant standards) to me. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
There won't be a replacement tiebreaker, so those games will go to extra time + pens. This is mainly due to the growing number of complaints about the 2nd game away advantage a lot of top teams were not happy with... | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28700 Posts
I mean, removing the rule should create more frequent extra time and more frequent penalty shootout, which is always fun, so I'm happy about that. This, in turn, should mean that having the home advantage for the final game should be an advantage.. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On June 25 2021 01:14 Liquid`Drone wrote: I'm skeptical, but oh well. The rationale for the away goal rule is sound imo - it incentivizes the away team to play attacking football and not just park the bus. Still, I don't have any data, and I don't know if this actually has any truth to it. I mean, removing the rule should create more frequent extra time and more frequent penalty shootout, which is always fun, so I'm happy about that. This, in turn, should mean that having the home advantage for the final game should be an advantage.. Data and pretty much all the big clubs also confirmed it, that so far the 2nd game away was a large advantage, because you always had this moment, where suddenly a goal kinda counted "twice", especially in extra time. (effectively you had 120 minutes to score those valuable away goal, the opponent had only 90 minutes) Many suggested to actually only remove the rule for the extra time, but keep it in place for regulation. But looks like this was too messy for the UEFA. | ||
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RKC
2848 Posts
On June 25 2021 01:19 mahrgell wrote: Data and pretty much all the big clubs also confirmed it, that so far the 2nd game away was a large advantage, because you always had this moment, where suddenly a goal kinda counted "twice", especially in extra time. (effectively you had 120 minutes to score those valuable away goal, the opponent had only 90 minutes) Many suggested to actually only remove the rule for the extra time, but keep it in place for regulation. But looks like this was too messy for the UEFA. Yes, the rule is really unfair against the home team in extra time of game 2. Then again, if you scrap the rule in extra time, there would be unfairness against the away team playing extra 30 minutes of the game away with no benefit of the away goals rule (there's no extra minutes when they were playing at home in game 1). So the asymmetry can't be resolved equally - just different advantages and disadvantages. Kinda like Armageddon mode in chess (black wins by winning and drawing, but white has more time). | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28700 Posts
On June 25 2021 01:19 mahrgell wrote: Data and pretty much all the big clubs also confirmed it, that so far the 2nd game away was a large advantage, because you always had this moment, where suddenly a goal kinda counted "twice", especially in extra time. (effectively you had 120 minutes to score those valuable away goal, the opponent had only 90 minutes) Many suggested to actually only remove the rule for the extra time, but keep it in place for regulation. But looks like this was too messy for the UEFA. I meant that I don't have data for whether the away team will play more defensive football or not if we scrap the away rule. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 24 2021 23:26 aseq wrote: I read somewhere yesterday that we are W 3 - D 3 - L 5 against Czech Rep. We were relieved when we heard we didn't have to play Portugal, but it's slowly sinking in that it's by no means an easy opponent. According to google we haven't played against each other for 6 years, so it's not much telling And our current team isn't exactly good at defending nor good at attacking. So if you, unlike England, score goals from your chances, you're fine.You don't have to fear the reverse sweep like 2004 Euro | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
On June 25 2021 01:14 Liquid`Drone wrote: I'm skeptical, but oh well. The rationale for the away goal rule is sound imo - it incentivizes the away team to play attacking football and not just park the bus. Still, I don't have any data, and I don't know if this actually has any truth to it. I mean, removing the rule should create more frequent extra time and more frequent penalty shootout, which is always fun, so I'm happy about that. This, in turn, should mean that having the home advantage for the final game should be an advantage.. From what I understand/recycling of football writer Jonathan Wilson’s opinions over time the rule has vaguely cancelled out the intended consequence by virtue that teams playing the home leg first are more concerned with avoiding conceding the away goal than necessarily scoring themselves. What the away goal rule does enable, and we’ve seen it in recent years are absolutely improbable comebacks being possible by virtue of it, which is entertaining although, not necessarily fair. Be it Liverpool v Barca or Barca v PSG or whatever. I’m not sure it really tilts the scales either way or is basically a neutral thing vs not having it, one thing I 100% agree with Wilson on is away goals counting specially in extra time is really distorting though. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 25 2021 16:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Wonder how UEFA will respond? https://twitter.com/footballdaily/status/1408328424133910528 UEFA should protect the players in case the Hungarian fans(in this case) get wild. OTOH UEFA should stop any politic gestures on the pitch. And after some of the statements I read this is such gesture. At the same time UEFA is currently in a corner considering their recent standings. I don't get why people need to bring politics into the sport. Can I have something WITHOUT the damn politics agenda?! Also if he's in a such big need of helping people I have a pretty solid nonpolitical suggestion | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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