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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 18 2024 23:51 GMT
#1981
I don't know what it is, but it seems like most teams these days are really thin offensively. The Mavs had two offensive options, same for Denver. Prozingis and Holiday aren't world beaters, but the fact that Boston had anything resembling a 3rd and 4th option made heaps of difference. An accidental moneyball superteam?
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 24 2024 05:38 GMT
#1982
On June 19 2024 08:51 Jerubaal wrote:
I don't know what it is, but it seems like most teams these days are really thin offensively. The Mavs had two offensive options, same for Denver. Prozingis and Holiday aren't world beaters, but the fact that Boston had anything resembling a 3rd and 4th option made heaps of difference. An accidental moneyball superteam?



Nah. The J's aren't moneyball maniacs, just super good. Celtics are basically a pure front office win of an accumulation of something about a decade of high level choices. Its like if the Mavs had been making PJ Washington level trades for a long time (they haven't the team kinda sucks around Luka).
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 24 2024 22:53 GMT
#1983
Yeah, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens are their top two. And Ainge is not there anymore.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
June 26 2024 03:17 GMT
#1984
i wonder if we'll ever see an actual superstar trade in the NBA now. looks almost impossible with the gobert trade and now bridges
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-27 08:35:11
June 27 2024 08:14 GMT
#1985
any one wanna see what Pat Riley looked like in 1972?
He appeared in a 1972 episode of the detective murder mystery show... Columbo entitled "The Most Crucial Game"

This was a cross promotion organized between Universal Pictures and the NBA.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
June 28 2024 01:54 GMT
#1986
Looks like LBJ's squeaky clean image has all been 1 big giant lie. According to confirmed reports from credible sources Lebron has been sleeping with his newest team mates' mother.
LBJ is refusing to comment.
Sources Posted Soon.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10155 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-28 16:05:11
June 28 2024 16:04 GMT
#1987
On June 28 2024 10:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Looks like LBJ's squeaky clean image has all been 1 big giant lie. According to confirmed reports from credible sources Lebron has been sleeping with his newest team mates' mother.
LBJ is refusing to comment.
Sources Posted Soon.

This was easily my favorite tweet of the night. Lebron is pulling a Delonte West.

In other news, yay Lebron locked up for another 2 years now! It'll be nice to see Lebron get to retire with his son at the same time.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10155 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-28 16:05:03
June 28 2024 16:04 GMT
#1988
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-29 00:51:36
June 29 2024 00:50 GMT
#1989
On June 27 2024 17:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
any one wanna see what Pat Riley looked like in 1972?
He appeared in a 1972 episode of the detective murder mystery show... Columbo entitled "The Most Crucial Game"

This was a cross promotion organized between Universal Pictures and the NBA.


I thought that was Chuck Norris for a second.

One of my fun shower-thoughts questions: Who was the best coach/player? The names I have are Phil, Don Nelson, Pat Riley and Doc Rivers. I don't think Bird meets the game minimum, COY or not.

On June 28 2024 10:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Looks like LBJ's squeaky clean image has all been 1 big giant lie. According to confirmed reports from credible sources Lebron has been sleeping with his newest team mates' mother.
LBJ is refusing to comment.
Sources Posted Soon.


LePop.

I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 29 2024 03:03 GMT
#1990
On June 28 2024 10:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Looks like LBJ's squeaky clean image has all been 1 big giant lie. According to confirmed reports from credible sources Lebron has been sleeping with his newest team mates' mother.
LBJ is refusing to comment.
Sources Posted Soon.

Even more disgustingly he was raw dogging it and knocked her up several times!
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
June 29 2024 15:50 GMT
#1991
On June 29 2024 01:04 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2024 10:54 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Looks like LBJ's squeaky clean image has all been 1 big giant lie. According to confirmed reports from credible sources Lebron has been sleeping with his newest team mates' mother.
LBJ is refusing to comment.
Sources Posted Soon.

This was easily my favorite tweet of the night. Lebron is pulling a Delonte West.

In other news, yay Lebron locked up for another 2 years now! It'll be nice to see Lebron get to retire with his son at the same time.

NBA scouts are really bad at assessing non physical aspects of players.
Fred Vanvleet and Nikola Jokic are near genius level players and their IQ was either ignored or incorrectly assessed.

If Bronny has their intelligence level he can carve out a career in the NBA.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 30 2024 05:22 GMT
#1992
Fred Vanvleet carried an extremely mediocre team to the IHSA final 4 as a senior (I probably met him without knowing it because that basketball team was at the wrestling meet my little brother was in when they faced Auburn). He would routinely take over the game. Bronny never showed dominance at any level. His freshman year he was a key contributor off the bench for Wichita State's final 4 team, then he had oustanding sophomore and junior campaigns and his early senior year was hobbled by injuries, he led the Missouri Valley (probably the best mid major conference) in assists all 3 of those years. And he ultimately led the team to a sweet 16 run. He also showed an uncanny ability to secure steals through his career.

Jokic was always a prospect. He went pro at 17 and by 18 was scoring 11 PPG and grabbing 6 rebounds against adults.

These are not similar to Bronny. He was under 5 PPG at USC.His most exciting season as a player was probably his freshman year at Sierra when he average 4 PPG, but often showed flashes scoring in the high teens. His next two years were pedestrian and as a Sr. he averaged 15 PPG while leading his HS to relegation out of the highest division, getting their ass handed to them by rival Notre Dame by over 20 in all 4 outings.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-30 14:02:08
June 30 2024 14:00 GMT
#1993
On June 30 2024 14:22 cLutZ wrote:
Fred Vanvleet carried an extremely mediocre team to the IHSA final 4 as a senior (I probably met him without knowing it because that basketball team was at the wrestling meet my little brother was in when they faced Auburn). He would routinely take over the game. Bronny never showed dominance at any level. His freshman year he was a key contributor off the bench for Wichita State's final 4 team, then he had oustanding sophomore and junior campaigns and his early senior year was hobbled by injuries, he led the Missouri Valley (probably the best mid major conference) in assists all 3 of those years. And he ultimately led the team to a sweet 16 run. He also showed an uncanny ability to secure steals through his career.

Jokic was always a prospect. He went pro at 17 and by 18 was scoring 11 PPG and grabbing 6 rebounds against adults.

These are not similar to Bronny. He was under 5 PPG at USC.His most exciting season as a player was probably his freshman year at Sierra when he average 4 PPG, but often showed flashes scoring in the high teens. His next two years were pedestrian and as a Sr. he averaged 15 PPG while leading his HS to relegation out of the highest division, getting their ass handed to them by rival Notre Dame by over 20 in all 4 outings.

The media tries to sell us on the myth that human beings are some kind of finished product at age 19. They are not.

It is debatable whether or not Bronny has more pure athletic ability than FVV. We'll find out much more info on that in two years. I'm guessing Bronny has better pure athletic ability than Fred VanVleet.

A lot of FVV's accomplishments you listed occurred at an age when he was older than Bronny. The accomplishments you listed before age 20 are not impressive. One thing you forgot. FVV led the Mississauga Raptors to the G-League title at AGE 23. FVV did not start making any meaningful games in the NBA until after turning age 24. Bronny turns 20 in October.

Like FVV , Bronny will have to develop and dominate in the G-League in this early 20s.

1 thing that an inferior athlete in the NBA requires is killer instinct. FVV grew up under brutal circumstances. Bronny has lived a life of luxury. Watch Fred talk.. watch Bronny talk. If you had to bet who has a more killer instinct.. would it be Fred or Bronny? I'm taking Fred.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 01 2024 02:05 GMT
#1994
Does Bronny have that pure athletic ability? He didn't win the genetic lottery like his dad did. Lebron is one of the smartest players in the league and Bronny's entire game is how less talented players hang on on the fringes of the NBA.They know how journeymen get kept by teams and tailored Bronny's game towards it. It's similar to how Gary Payton II stuck around for so long before his big break.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 01 2024 23:13 GMT
#1995
Jayson Tatum is officially the greatest NBA player ever.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
July 02 2024 00:12 GMT
#1996
Dennis Rodman, due to his membership in the nWo, is the consensus GOAT.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 02 2024 00:50 GMT
#1997
On July 02 2024 09:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Dennis Rodman, due to his membership in the nWo, is the consensus GOAT.


Also because he partied with Corgan. Insane how tiny Rodman looks next to The Big Show.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
July 02 2024 16:41 GMT
#1998
On July 02 2024 08:13 Jerubaal wrote:
Jayson Tatum is officially the greatest NBA player ever.


Tobias Harris has him beat on efficiency. And by efficiency I mean $ earned per ounce of talent.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 02 2024 18:39 GMT
#1999
On June 30 2024 23:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2024 14:22 cLutZ wrote:
Fred Vanvleet carried an extremely mediocre team to the IHSA final 4 as a senior (I probably met him without knowing it because that basketball team was at the wrestling meet my little brother was in when they faced Auburn). He would routinely take over the game. Bronny never showed dominance at any level. His freshman year he was a key contributor off the bench for Wichita State's final 4 team, then he had oustanding sophomore and junior campaigns and his early senior year was hobbled by injuries, he led the Missouri Valley (probably the best mid major conference) in assists all 3 of those years. And he ultimately led the team to a sweet 16 run. He also showed an uncanny ability to secure steals through his career.

Jokic was always a prospect. He went pro at 17 and by 18 was scoring 11 PPG and grabbing 6 rebounds against adults.

These are not similar to Bronny. He was under 5 PPG at USC.His most exciting season as a player was probably his freshman year at Sierra when he average 4 PPG, but often showed flashes scoring in the high teens. His next two years were pedestrian and as a Sr. he averaged 15 PPG while leading his HS to relegation out of the highest division, getting their ass handed to them by rival Notre Dame by over 20 in all 4 outings.

The media tries to sell us on the myth that human beings are some kind of finished product at age 19. They are not.

It is debatable whether or not Bronny has more pure athletic ability than FVV. We'll find out much more info on that in two years. I'm guessing Bronny has better pure athletic ability than Fred VanVleet.

A lot of FVV's accomplishments you listed occurred at an age when he was older than Bronny. The accomplishments you listed before age 20 are not impressive. One thing you forgot. FVV led the Mississauga Raptors to the G-League title at AGE 23. FVV did not start making any meaningful games in the NBA until after turning age 24. Bronny turns 20 in October.

Like FVV , Bronny will have to develop and dominate in the G-League in this early 20s.

1 thing that an inferior athlete in the NBA requires is killer instinct. FVV grew up under brutal circumstances. Bronny has lived a life of luxury. Watch Fred talk.. watch Bronny talk. If you had to bet who has a more killer instinct.. would it be Fred or Bronny? I'm taking Fred.


Literally the first one I listed was his very good HS Sr. Year and then the 1-1 comparison of their freshman year of college.

Do people develop after 19? Yes. I'm still not holding my breath about a kid with a 20 on the ACT winning a Fields medal.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
July 03 2024 20:29 GMT
#2000
The Lakers just gave Bronny a guaranteed deal. Lol.

FVV was on a non guaranteed deal with a 50K UP front bonus. He went up and down between the G league and the NBA 16 times in his first year. He had zero leverage and had to do whatever the Raptors requested.

Fred was in do-or-die mode from the minute he signed with the Raptors. Bronny will probably not bring Fred's level of intensity to the G league or any other league.


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