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Verstappen gets Black and White flag for weaving on the straight | ||
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On November 15 2021 07:21 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: didn't some people in this threat say the new engine (granted its the same engine just newer) doesn't give much performance boost? Seems that in Merc's case it does. Ham's overtakes looked absolutely one-sided (not taking away from the driver ofc, but c'mon!) all weekend. Amazing stuff. That was me, and I'll gladly admit I was half wrong (As I simply didn't foresee this way of abusing the engine rules). See, in theory, a new engine isn't suppose to give you a performance boost. It's not like wear and tear is going to have such a massive impact on an engine like we've seen today, and it doesn't either. What Mercedes have done here is that they've taken a new engine near the end of a season, and is running it into the ground knowing it doesn't need to last as long as a regular one. Instead of 2500km, it only needs to last 1250km. So they're free to run it much much harder than normal. The engine isn't different, and it's not just faster because it's new, it's faster because it doesn't need to last. That said, I still don't believe the engine alone is enough to make up for what we've seen this weekend. They're practically back to 2020 levels of dominations here, when having been slower than RB all season. I expect we'll understand more of what has unfolded over the next few weeks. Maybe there's something in what Horner is saying about the rear wing bending too much? (Which, if true, would be several levels of irony considering what happened earlier in the season). | ||
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On November 15 2021 05:01 Zaros wrote: Now Hamilton summoned to the stewards for loosening his seatbelt on the cooldown lap, FIA not giving themselves a good look. They're not giving themselves a good look for actually policing the rules? It was only a €5000 fine for not following safety precautions. It's not exactly apocalypse levels of insanity going on here On November 15 2021 07:20 FreakyDroid wrote: One of the best races I've seen in a while. Im glad Hamilton won after Max forced him out of the track, which was a dirty move imo. Agree. I'm a Max fan, but I don't like the precedence set by not applying a penalty there. Not that the stewards care about precedence in the first place. The only way I could see it being ok was if Hamilton wouldn't have made the corner by himself. We don't have access to all the data, so we don't know 100%, but it certainly looked to me like Max just forced him off track so far that he ended up leaving it himself. | ||
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Amui
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On November 15 2021 07:49 Excludos wrote: They're not giving themselves a good look for actually policing the rules? It was only a €5000 fine for not following safety precautions. It's not exactly apocalypse levels of insanity going on here Agree. I'm a Max fan, but I don't like the precedence set by not applying a penalty there. Not that the stewards care about precedence in the first place. The only way I could see it being ok was if Hamilton wouldn't have made the corner by himself. We don't have access to all the data, so we don't know 100%, but it certainly looked to me like Max just forced him off track so far that he ended up leaving it himself. Yeah I'm very, very surprised he did not get a 5 second penalty for that, or at very least an instant black and white flag. Max is far, far too good of a driver to go that wide in a race unintentionally even when racing someone else. Instead weaving on the straight got him the black and white, which is just laughable. Hats off to Hamilton though. Despite the car, I wouldn't trust many drivers on the grid to make up a 25 place grid penalty in 1.33 races and win. Bottas probably would've gotten stuck Perez for a few more laps and destroyed his tires before he got to Max. Bottas may have died for this with all the engine penalties, but now Merc know just how hard they can push the engine without it grenading itself. I would guess that Hamilton was fueled ~3-5% heavier than Bottas initially as well for him to have been able to push that hard for the entire race in what is clearly a higher engine mode. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hamilton get one more engine penalty in Jeddah depending on how much they have to turn down the engine in Qatar to survive the race. The engine may be able to survive 4 races, but it won't be 4 races at the current power level, and with the abuse it will have taken in the 3 races prior, it'll be on its last legs at Abu Dhabi. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On November 15 2021 07:47 Excludos wrote: That was me, and I'll gladly admit I was half wrong (As I simply didn't foresee this way of abusing the engine rules). See, in theory, a new engine isn't suppose to give you a performance boost. It's not like wear and tear is going to have such a massive impact on an engine like we've seen today, and it doesn't either. What Mercedes have done here is that they've taken a new engine near the end of a season, and is running it into the ground knowing it doesn't need to last as long as a regular one. Instead of 2500km, it only needs to last 1250km. So they're free to run it much much harder than normal. The engine isn't different, and it's not just faster because it's new, it's faster because it doesn't need to last. That said, I still don't believe the engine alone is enough to make up for what we've seen this weekend. They're practically back to 2020 levels of dominations here, when having been slower than RB all season. I expect we'll understand more of what has unfolded over the next few weeks. Maybe there's something in what Horner is saying about the rear wing bending too much? (Which, if true, would be several levels of irony considering what happened earlier in the season). Yeah what you say makes sense and indeed maybe the "new engine" is a smoke curtain to hide the actual cause of such utter domination from Merc's. | ||
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On November 16 2021 22:21 Aristodemus wrote: That was one of Lewis' best weekends in F1, which says alot, even though it was irrelevant to the result Max should definitely have been penalised for that move. I like him and I certainly won't begrudge him winning the title this year but at times his driving is unacceptable. Yeah. I mean, in all likelihood he simply braked too late and ran wide, which seems consistent with steering wheel angle (video just released), speed and position. I don't begrudge him for trying at all, it was a good attempt. If he had made the corner, with just about enough space for Lewis on the outside, we'd all be celebrating his awesome defensive drive. But he didn't. He ran way wide, and the position should have belonged to Lewis, or a 5 second penalty. Yes, it doesn't matter in the slightest for this weekend. But it does set a a rather bad precedence for future similar situations | ||
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Laurens
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Insane season, seems like every couple of races I flip completely from 'Lewis is gonna take it' to 'Max is gonna take it'. When the DSQ was announced I was practically celebrating Max' championship and then this happened... Here's to many more seasons like that. | ||
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Amui
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My opinion is that it was a desperation move by Max because he already just about lost the corner (normally inside has to brake earlier because they're taking a tighter line), and Lewis was already almost an entire car length ahead. Crowding somebody off track, fine, it's been penalized inconsistently. Defending a position by by going 10 meters wide yourself though, is where I think F1 needs a wave-through penalty. There has to be some level of driving standards upheld, because quite frankly that's a driving standards thing. | ||
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On November 17 2021 20:46 Amui wrote: If a 5s penalty came early enough, Lewis 100% would've backed Max into Bottas Hamilton would never even bother to pass if Max had gotten that 5s penalty in the first place. There would be no reason to risk an accident when he would be able to stay behind and coast into goal. If he had passed, Hamilton would have done the same as he did: drive off into the sunset. He doesn't want to be anywhere near Max at any point, and potentially end up in an incident At any rate, this is speculation at best. | ||
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Lmui
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Unfortunately money talks, and a lot of classic tracks have gone to the wayside in favour of this crap at the end of the season. | ||
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