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Dingodile
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Norway8246 Posts
On October 27 2025 20:20 Penev wrote: What exactly is wrong about Lewis' penalty? If cutting a corner like that and ending up seconds ahead of the driver he was trying to overtake is not "leaving the track and getting an advantage" than I don't know what is. The problem is that Max first left the track and gained an advantage over Lewis. Lewis then left the track and regained the position. Because Max "gave the position back", albeit in a way that was unplanned, he didn't get a penalty. But Lewis got a penalty for the same advantage he regained that Max "lost" his penalty over. It doesn't make sense in my opinion. Imo, either both or none of them gets a penalty, as they regained status quo (ish, with Bearman kerfuffling in the middle of all of it). On October 27 2025 20:25 Dingodile wrote: I didnt watch yesterday but followed liveticker. I feel like Verstappen had a good chance to finish 2nd if Sainz didnt crash. He was about 0,9 sec behind Leclerc two laps before end. pretty much the same distance between piastri and bearman aswell at the same moment before VSC arrived. Yeah, it was an absolute disaster to call out the VSC on the last lap, completely ruining the end of one of this season's best races. For a car that was already safely behind the wall, on the slowest part of the track. I would have had heads rolling for that if I was F1. I think the call was done wanting to be overly cautious after the incident earlier in the race where Liam nearly ran over two marshals | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
To me it looked like Max was going to give the position back but didn’t get the chance. Getting 10 seconds and a bunch of points on his license for that seems silly. Lewis probably could have avoided the penalty by slowing up – I don’t know if he’d need to give the position to Max or just back up to right in front of him? But it’s a moot point because he didn’t, and that makes the answer to “did he gain an advantage?” pretty obviously yes, doesn’t it? | ||
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Penev
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On October 27 2025 23:14 Excludos wrote: The problem is that Max first left the track and gained an advantage over Lewis. Lewis then left the track and regained the position. Because Max "gave the position back", albeit in a way that was unplanned, he didn't get a penalty. But Lewis got a penalty for the same advantage he regained that Max "lost" his penalty over. It doesn't make sense in my opinion. Imo, either both or none of them gets a penalty, as they regained status quo (ish, with Bearman kerfuffling in the middle of all of it). You mean after Max's overtake where they touched I presume? The difference there is that Max was ahead and had to avoid getting a Ferrari crash into his side pod. Look at the overtake and Max cutting the grass afterwards, look at their front wheels at both occasions. The overtake is legit within the current rules, the corner after, Max had no choice but try and avoid getting hit by Lewis but most importantly; He was ahead before going off, Lewis clearly was not when he went off a bit later. The penalty is not for cutting the corner, it is for gaining an advantage while doing so. The stewards argued, and I agree, that Max didn't gain an advantage (a position) and that he didn't went off because he couldn't hold the corner, but because otherwise there would've been a collision. The only thing the stewards missed, I think, was Charles cutting the corner in turn 1. There was clearly an advantage gotten there but as we've seen many times; Race control "noting" something is often just teams complaining when they feel disadvantaged and Ferrari is not going to when it's one of their own. And ofc the VSC should've just stayed a double yellow. | ||
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Norway8246 Posts
On October 27 2025 23:42 ChristianS wrote: Didn’t Lewis also gain an enormous amount of space on track though? If you leave the track in 3rd with a big gap in front of you to 2nd, and rejoin with a big gap behind you to 4th, you still “gained an advantage” even if you’re still 3rd. To me it looked like Max was going to give the position back but didn’t get the chance. Getting 10 seconds and a bunch of points on his license for that seems silly. Lewis probably could have avoided the penalty by slowing up – I don’t know if he’d need to give the position to Max or just back up to right in front of him? But it’s a moot point because he didn’t, and that makes the answer to “did he gain an advantage?” pretty obviously yes, doesn’t it? I had a look at the official FIA document, that dives a bit into this. Firstly, it corrects a misunderstanding many had, which was that Lewis got a penalty for not following run-off route set by the race director. But he got a pass on this, because the speed was simply too high to do so. Then it goes into why the penalty was served, which was specifically for passing Car 1 (VER) and failing to give the position back. So the fact that Lewis fucked off and gave himself an enormous space behind him didn't factor into it. He likely would have gotten the penalty even if he had lifted and let Max catch up | ||
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Norway8246 Posts
On October 27 2025 23:58 Penev wrote: You mean after Max's overtake where they touched I presume? The difference there is that Max was ahead and had to avoid getting a Ferrari crash into his side pod. Look at the overtake and Max cutting the grass afterwards, look at their front wheels at both occasions. The overtake is legit within the current rules, the corner after, Max had no choice but try and avoid getting hit by Lewis but most importantly; He was ahead before going off, Lewis clearly was not when he went off a bit later. The penalty is not for cutting the corner, it is for gaining an advantage while doing so. The stewards argued, and I agree, that Max didn't gain an advantage (a position) and that he didn't went off because he couldn't hold the corner, but because otherwise there would've been a collision. The only thing the stewards missed, I think, was Charles cutting the corner in turn 1. There was clearly an advantage gotten there but as we've seen many times; Race control "noting" something is often just teams complaining when they feel disadvantaged and Ferrari is not going to when it's one of their own. And ofc the VSC should've just stayed a double yellow. I had to have a relook at the pass from Max' onboard, and I've come to agree with you now. Despite a dive from 3 car lengths back, Max is marginally ahead of Lewis at the apex into T1, giving him right to shove Lewis completely off track as he exits T1 (Despite my annoyances at the ridiculousness of the rules, it's what they currently are). Then, into T2, he keeps himself marginally ahead of Lewis on the outside, and Lewis gives him no space despite having a right for it exactly because Max is ahead. So the position was rightfully Max' under the current rules, therefore Lewis did gain a lasting advantage, and the penalty was fair. It just didn't seem that way until one started to dive a bit deeper into what exactly happened | ||
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Penev
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Overall an enjoyable race, apart from Lando leading it so easily. | ||
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Norway8246 Posts
Another "Yeah no shit" moment for FIA: Having analysed the telemetry from the incident, we can confirm that the driver of Car #30, Liam Lawson, slowed appropriately and reacted correctly to the double yellow flags displayed in the area, braking earlier than in other laps and passing significantly slower than racing speed into Turn 1. He is not at fault in this incident Pathetic they tried to put the blame on him in the first place, and the pushback was well deserved. | ||
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Penev
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On November 01 2025 04:35 Excludos wrote: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/oct/31/liam-lawson-cleared-of-blame-by-fia-for-marshals-scare-at-mexico-grand-prix Another "Yeah no shit" moment for FIA: Pathetic they tried to put the blame on him in the first place, and the pushback was well deserved. Tbf the Mexican racing federation blamed Lawson, not the FIA. | ||
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On November 01 2025 07:31 Penev wrote: Tbf the Mexican racing federation blamed Lawson, not the FIA. One is a body of the other, but I get what you're saying | ||
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Aristodemus
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Penev
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On November 09 2025 02:42 Aristodemus wrote: Oscar cracking now. Not sure I can blame him when 3 drivers went out in the same corner at the same time. Something really strange happened there. Possibly sudden gust of wind which created just enough rear lift to lose traction on the wet road after Norris threw some extra on to the racing line. Freak accident for sure imo. Bortoleto, on the other hand, had his blinders on completely when he went for that overtake on the last lap. | ||
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On November 09 2025 03:27 Penev wrote: Something went really wrong setting up the Red Bull for qualifying as well. Sigh, good bye exciting end to the season I guess. Someone is going to be hoping for a downpour tomorrow. Only real chance he has for a comeback | ||
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Penev
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aseq
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Penev
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On November 09 2025 03:29 Excludos wrote: Someone is going to be hoping for a downpour tomorrow. Only real chance he has for a comeback Imagine it actually was a wet race, with a Max driving like he did today. Btw, Oscar shouldn't have gotten that 10s penalty. Racing incident with Kimi more at fault I'd say. | ||
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Aristodemus
England2010 Posts
Also i have to say, last 2 races bearman has been awesome! | ||
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Norway8246 Posts
Also, holy crap that was like 10 cars in a row after 71 laps in Brazil. Unbelievably close throughout the midfield. And lastly, I'm also completely fine with Norris winning the title. The guy has great talent, and largely seems to have stopped the bottling that's been hounding him until now. His qualifying yesterday, coming back from a the pressure of having a failed lap in Q3, solidified for me that he is, indeed, WDC material | ||
TheEmulator
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Agree with the comment about Bearman. He seems very likeable and has been proving his talent lately. One of the better rookies for sure. Also I just realized yesterday that Yuki only has 28 points this season.... | ||
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