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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28478 Posts
September 15 2024 12:43 GMT
#3461
Interesting to note the Red Bull was in the mix too btw; It's just Max's side of the garage not getting it right this one.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8076 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-15 17:10:25
September 15 2024 16:13 GMT
#3462
Strange of the commentators to blame that one on Perez. Checking both onboards and the overhead camera, it's clear Perez is following the white line exactly, while Sainz just starts slowly drifting over. That was completely unnecessary

You could always argue that Perez should have left more space in the name of self preservation, but it didn't look to me like he had any fault here.

Edit: Actually I'm a a bit less sure. The track veers left, and the glare from the sun makes it difficult to tell. Sainz is definitely straying left from the white line, but Perez also seemingly bumps right at the last moment. Probably a completely unnecessary racing incident
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-15 20:43:11
September 15 2024 20:32 GMT
#3463
On September 16 2024 01:13 Excludos wrote:
Strange of the commentators to blame that one on Perez. Checking both onboards and the overhead camera, it's clear Perez is following the white line exactly, while Sainz just starts slowly drifting over. That was completely unnecessary

You could always argue that Perez should have left more space in the name of self preservation, but it didn't look to me like he had any fault here.

Edit: Actually I'm a a bit less sure. The track veers left, and the glare from the sun makes it difficult to tell. Sainz is definitely straying left from the white line, but Perez also seemingly bumps right at the last moment. Probably a completely unnecessary racing incident

Definitely feels like a completely avoidable racing incident to me. It's not like the gap closed particularly quickly, maybe 1-1.5' per second, just a complete lack of attention on both of them. I've had people drift/cut into my lane more aggressively than that while driving and I haven't crashed yet.

Ultimately, that cost RB a whole lot more than it cost Ferrari. Max lost 2 points from fastest lap against Lando, and they're already running a tight ship on costs because of how much damage Checo has done this year.

Also, Piastri is at a point total now where if Lando/Max come together and he wins a race, it gets very, very spicy for Mclaren.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8076 Posts
September 15 2024 20:43 GMT
#3464
If we're thinking WCC, I don't think RB has any chance to keep it this year. For the WDC, Lando only gained 3 points over Max this race, which is 5 less than he needs every race to have a chance. I think realistically Max needs a DNF for Lando to stand a chance here
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-16 23:53:11
September 16 2024 23:48 GMT
#3465
Yeah, Lando is running out of races and he needs to be gaining much more than this. He's still in contention but he needs to beat his season winrate by like.... 10x or something going forward lol. I don't think it's a serious proposition.

The stewards' decision on the Sainz/Checo dustup was informative, imo. Sainz was drifting left because that was the racing line into the next corner. They stated explicitly that he had a right to do this because he was fully ahead, although they did add that it was a move towards a car he couldn't see well.

Checo on the other hand had no claim to the space, had plenty of room to move, had better vision of the other car, and still failed to avoid a bingle my grandma probably could have managed.

Imo it's a 70/30 checo at least. If his car had survived he might have been pinged, but since they both binned it, it's just kind of embarrassing for everyone.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10158 Posts
September 17 2024 15:49 GMT
#3466
On September 17 2024 08:48 Belisarius wrote:
Yeah, Lando is running out of races and he needs to be gaining much more than this. He's still in contention but he needs to beat his season winrate by like.... 10x or something going forward lol. I don't think it's a serious proposition.

The stewards' decision on the Sainz/Checo dustup was informative, imo. Sainz was drifting left because that was the racing line into the next corner. They stated explicitly that he had a right to do this because he was fully ahead, although they did add that it was a move towards a car he couldn't see well.

Checo on the other hand had no claim to the space, had plenty of room to move, had better vision of the other car, and still failed to avoid a bingle my grandma probably could have managed.

Imo it's a 70/30 checo at least. If his car had survived he might have been pinged, but since they both binned it, it's just kind of embarrassing for everyone.

That's how I view it. Both cars felt like they were trying to fight for Leclerc's slipstream and Sainz had the right to the space because he was ahead. Checo had a ton of time to slide left, which he didn't. It's mostly on Perez but ultimately a racing incident that should've easily been avoided.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28478 Posts
September 20 2024 13:09 GMT
#3467
Max getting a penalty for saying his car was "fucked" during Thursday's press conference is absurd. Get this puritan nonsense out of here. My goodness.



I Protoss winner, could it be?
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10158 Posts
September 20 2024 15:56 GMT
#3468
Mclaren need to fix their rear wing bending it looks like. Wonder how much of an effect its going to have on the car... Is it time for Ferrari to become the best car?!
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8076 Posts
September 20 2024 18:54 GMT
#3469
On September 20 2024 22:09 Penev wrote:
Max getting a penalty for saying his car was "fucked" during Thursday's press conference is absurd. Get this puritan nonsense out of here. My goodness.


Absolutely ridiculous. Would love for Max to go into the next interview and just start cussing out his penalty
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
September 20 2024 22:14 GMT
#3470
I too find it riddicoulous that a driver gets penalized for the way he speaks; if you cannot even express yourself, what is the point of being a race driver at all? This is a lack of respect by the FIA towards motor sports overall
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4553 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-21 16:49:32
September 21 2024 13:54 GMT
#3471
Sainzzzzz


Hulkenberg is the best Ferrari powered driver

Max with the "I'm just here so I don't get fined vibes"
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-22 09:08:34
September 22 2024 09:00 GMT
#3472
I think the radios and the press conferences are slightly different things.

The radios, absolutely. Having these on the broadcast is a privilege and not a right. We're eavesdropping on their workplace, it's the TV director's job to sanitise it, not the driver's job to media-manage at 300 kph.

Interviews, though, I think it's a bit more reasonable. Most sports have some kind of code-of-conduct for athletes talking to the media at official events. Obviously it's a high-energy situation and you need to give some leeway if you want them to say anything worthwhile at all, but they are acting as a public representative of the sport. I don't think it's crazy to ask them not to go full nuclear.

Max seems like he's absolutely gone to war, though. He's clearly willing to die on this hill and I'm here for it.
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2497 Posts
September 22 2024 13:46 GMT
#3473
Wow Red Bull showing as always they have 2 teams; dirty laundry, putting a meaningless Ricciardo in his race for the extra point
"Awaken my Child, and embrace the Glory that is your Birthright"
LennX
Profile Joined October 2010
4553 Posts
September 22 2024 13:48 GMT
#3474
On September 22 2024 22:46 pebble444 wrote:
Wow Red Bull showing as always they have 2 teams; dirty laundry, putting a meaningless Ricciardo in his race for the extra point


Cant blame them. They did what they had to do...
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28478 Posts
September 22 2024 13:51 GMT
#3475
Again little to do for marshalls and stewards unfortunately. Complete McLaren dominance but Max did well to limit the damage.

Overall: Yawn.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8076 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-09-22 21:17:02
September 22 2024 21:15 GMT
#3476
On September 22 2024 22:46 pebble444 wrote:
Wow Red Bull showing as always they have 2 teams; dirty laundry, putting a meaningless Ricciardo in his race for the extra point


This is a grey area, but definitively not new. Drivers are allowed to help drivers they fancy, and teams are allowed to help other teams. This is pretty common, and often done if they're running the same engine for instance. Haas and Ferrari have been helping each other for ages.

What you're not allowed to do is conspire/plan to help another team, especially not for monetary gains. Ricciardo going for the fastest lap for what is in all likelihood his last race, isn't going to fall under any kind of collaboration.

Congrats to Lando for finally actually sticking T1.

And goodbye to Daniel. He never recovered after his stints at McLaren, but he was always a boom to the circus in terms of entertainment
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1992 Posts
September 23 2024 18:09 GMT
#3477
Ricciardo FL was definitely dodgy.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8076 Posts
September 26 2024 17:42 GMT
#3478
And there it is, officially. Ricciardo is out of F1
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28478 Posts
September 26 2024 17:55 GMT
#3479
End of an era

I Protoss winner, could it be?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28478 Posts
September 26 2024 18:01 GMT
#3480
I'm happy for Lawson though; He did pretty well the few opportunities he got. He seems the real deal.
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