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Penev
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
Its sad, he was overcoming RB shortcommings and was om his was to a podium despite the team and car :/ He is no longer a kid, he should keep his cool better. Norris making the team sweat....i get his point but still. | ||
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LennX
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Norris is taking it hard but he showed that he is a team player | ||
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Excludos
Norway8158 Posts
On July 21 2024 23:39 Penev wrote: If Lando was going to let Oscar pass anyway he should have let him past sooner so he would've had more laps to overtake again Same thing I was thinking the entire time. I get he wanted to prove his point, but if he had done it earlier (and saved way more tyre in the process, rather than abusing them until the very end before giving up all the time at once), he would have stood a pretty good chance of battling Piastri for P1 again. Not very clever of Norris today. Didn't make himself look particularly good either, even if he did give the position back eventually Max needs to get his sleep in xD That was proper grumpy today. And a bunch of uncharacteristic mistakes as well, even if the car was a chore to handle. I feel like a Max on top of his game would have had third today | ||
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Penev
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On July 21 2024 23:50 KobraKay wrote: He is no longer a kid, he should keep his cool better. Agree. With more patience Max would've passed Lewis eventually you'd think which would've gotten him 3rd, the highest possible today, probably. If Red Bull went with earlier pit stops, Max would've gotten 3rd as well but without the hassle of having to do the overtakes. He could've only lost 3 points to Lando instead of whatever it's going to be now (possible penalty). On July 22 2024 00:55 Excludos wrote: Max needs to get his sleep in xD That was proper grumpy today. And a bunch of uncharacteristic mistakes as well, even if the car was a chore to handle. I feel like a Max on top of his game would have had third today He did sound overly grumpy today idd, GP calling him childish on air was well deserved lol. Maybe it's time to give the physical races a bit more priority over the virtual ones. | ||
TheEmulator
28093 Posts
On July 21 2024 23:55 LennX wrote: Lewis helping Max during the interview mentioning that it was a racing incident. Norris is taking it hard but he showed that he is a team player Yea that was classy from Lewis. Max definitely wouldn't have given him that same grace. I thought Lando was going to be a bit more bitter but he was fairly chill towards Oscar after the race. I can imagine he's boiling on the inside though lmao (both drivers probably were). | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On July 21 2024 23:55 LennX wrote: Lewis helping Max during the interview mentioning that it was a racing incident. Norris is taking it hard but he showed that he is a team player Lewis at best helped himself not max btw. Max maneuver was stupid but as the stewards explained "car 44 could have done more to avoid the collision". He could. Not that it matters. Max bombed and failed the break but that there is more to that collision than that. Point is, lewis isnt helping anyone (apart frol himself maybe) with that comment. Racing incident it was. | ||
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Penev
28503 Posts
On July 22 2024 14:12 KobraKay wrote: Lewis at best helped himself not max btw. Max maneuver was stupid but as the stewards explained "car 44 could have done more to avoid the collision". He could. Not that it matters. Max bombed and failed the break but that there is more to that collision than that. Point is, lewis isnt helping anyone (apart frol himself maybe) with that comment. Racing incident it was. Lewis was also a lot less "classy" in the post race press conference about the incident. Unfortunately the English broadcast (from Sky at least) tends to view anything Max a bit more negative than they should, especially vs certain other drivers, and most people just go by anything they say. They didn't say anything about Lewis turning in but they did advocate for Max to get a penalty so people just go with that. Stewards did well here fortunately. Max really needs to learn to chill though, that was a dumb move. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10233 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8158 Posts
On July 23 2024 00:25 FlaShFTW wrote: These are some silly comments. Lewis is obligated to not turn at the corner because Max was stupid and locked up why dive bombing from the inside? Trying to pass this off as "well he COULD have moved out of the way" is dumb. Then where does he go? It's Sao Paolo all over again where Lewis would be forced even wider and Max could recover and take the spot from him (or Leclerc comes through and passes them both). Lewis was under no obligation to move over, he did the right thing, Max messed up. If Lewis suffered damage from the crash, it would've been a penalty to Verstappen, but FIA is dumb and uses results-based analysis for when to award penalties and the like. I don't think it's insanely silly. Don't get me wrong, it's not Lewis' fault even slightly, but he doesn't even remotely try to steer out of it. Lewis could see him overshoot the corner from about 3 tracks back. Lewis isn't incompetent, I believe if he was at all worried about his car and results in that race, he'd be going straight forward alongside Max instead of turning into him. Again tho, just to be clear, it's still Max' fault | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On July 23 2024 00:58 Excludos wrote: I don't think it's insanely silly. Don't get me wrong, it's not Lewis' fault even slightly, but he doesn't even remotely try to steer out of it. Lewis could see him overshoot the corner from about 3 tracks back. Lewis isn't incompetent, I believe if he was at all worried about his car and results in that race, he'd be going straight forward alongside Max instead of turning into him. Again tho, just to be clear, it's still Max' fault Yes this is the correct take and essentially what both me and penev are saying. Like i said, this was on max but Lewis could have done more. And that is also FIA analysis. | ||
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Penev
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On July 23 2024 00:25 FlaShFTW wrote: These are some silly comments. Lewis is obligated to not turn at the corner because Max was stupid and locked up why dive bombing from the inside? Trying to pass this off as "well he COULD have moved out of the way" is dumb. Then where does he go? It's Sao Paolo all over again where Lewis would be forced even wider and Max could recover and take the spot from him (or Leclerc comes through and passes them both). Lewis was under no obligation to move over, he did the right thing, Max messed up. If Lewis suffered damage from the crash, it would've been a penalty to Verstappen, but FIA is dumb and uses results-based analysis for when to award penalties and the like. No one said it was Lewis' fault but he could have avoided the contact. He just didn't see the lock-up. He also could easily turn in after Max flew by which he also could have done if he had turned in a sec later (avoiding the contact). You know, you aren't actually free to turn in at all times, even if the other driver is blocking you. If Lewis had turned in on Max that time in São Paulo he would have caused a collision and possibly gotten a penalty. That's just the rules. Also Max didn't get a penalty in São Paulo for preventing Lewis to turn in but for not letting him pass afterwards, he gained an advantage by not making the corner. (Lewis got the overtake done a bit later but it wasn't voluntarily by Max). Also; you could've easily made your point without the "silly" and "dumb" remarks. We're just discussing a sport, it's nothing serious. Edit: I now doubt that Max even got a penalty back then but post race consensus was he definitely should have gotten one and rules were inforced more strict from then on. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4550 Posts
On July 18 2024 19:52 Excludos wrote: Everyone starts out somewhere. I just had a G29 on my desk for years, still competing among the best in Norway in Miata leagues. When I upgraded I donated it to my brother, who raced with it for a year. Now he's donated it to our last brother, who's still using it. We all compete and have fun with each other, even if my rig now costs closer to €60k Mind sharing which rig you use now? And if you're spending that much, you're probably quite high level. Ever raced vs Max? :D | ||
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Excludos
Norway8158 Posts
On July 24 2024 15:49 Laurens wrote: Mind sharing which rig you use now? And if you're spending that much, you're probably quite high level. Ever raced vs Max? :D I completely fucked up the conversation rate from NOK to EUR in my head, and didn't notice before now. It's not €60k, that would be wild (And based on the videos I've seen, not remotely worth it. Honestly most of the rigs in that price range seems like a scam). I'm only on €8k-ish. Got a Simlab P1 with triples, Simucube 2 pro, Heusinkveld ultimates, sbr gt3 wireless wheel, and a couple of bass-shakers that I had to unhook to appease my angry neighbours  At least until I can find a better solution for them. And of courser a few other bits and bobs here and there.But to answer your question, yes, I have raced Max and some of his Redline colleagues...in an GT3 practice session...whilst he was 2 seconds a lap faster than me. I'm pretty mid all things considered, but Max is a genuine alien | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
Still 8k is a very impressive setup! Im back from vacation and checking much more indepth about a very beginner setup with a g29 and GT omega wheel stand. It wont be amazing but it will help ease the pain of my regular karting spot closing. Used to go there once a month to race against the Family and now its gone :/ | ||
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Excludos
Norway8158 Posts
On July 24 2024 22:06 KobraKay wrote: Ah i was scared when i saw the 60k :D Still 8k is a very impressive setup! Im back from vacation and checking much more indepth about a very beginner setup with a g29 and GT omega wheel stand. It wont be amazing but it will help ease the pain of my regular karting spot closing. Used to go there once a month to race against the Family and now its gone :/ Ah, that's a shame. I'm just about to get into karting myself. Talking with some people right now to buy their Rotax Max, and getting a licence in a week's time. Honestly, can't wait! Like I said, G29 is plenty for a while. At worst, you can just secure it to a regular desk, and shove some chalks under your chair (Or secure it with some towels, like I did for a while). A wheel stand will be better, of course, but anything is good as long as it gets you going Just avoid some of the absolute bottom barrel cheap wheels like the Momo, mostly because the short rotation makes it not in sync with the wheel in the sim, so when you turn 120 degrees in real life, it will be 200 degrees in game. It's an absolute chore to race with, and makes it impossible to race anywhere near the edge, as you simply can't catch any slides properly. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On July 24 2024 22:21 Excludos wrote: Ah, that's a shame. I'm just about to get into karting myself. Talking with some people right now to buy their Rotax Max, and getting a licence in a week's time. Honestly, can't wait! Like I said, G29 is plenty for a while. At worst, you can just secure it to a regular desk, and shove some chalks under your chair (Or secure it with some towels, like I did for a while). A wheel stand will be better, of course, but anything is good as long as it gets you going Just avoid some of the absolute bottom barrel cheap wheels like the Momo, mostly because the short rotation makes it not in sync with the wheel in the sim, so when you turn 120 degrees in real life, it will be 200 degrees in game. It's an absolute chore to race with, and makes it impossible to race anywhere near the edge, as you simply can't catch any slides properly.Watch out, its addictive! Even with rentals its a lot of fun if you have a good group of people to race against. Thanks for the feedback as well. Once i commit ill report back how its going. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8158 Posts
This analysis from Martin shows the Max-Lewis situation from last weekend pretty clearly. Hamilton turns into Max. Whilst Max is definitely not in control of his car as he divebombs from out of space, locks up, and would have gone straight off, all Lewis had to do was wait with the turn-in, and pull the world's easiest switchback. Pretty clear racing incident; both parties could (and should) have done more. | ||
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Penev
28503 Posts
On July 26 2024 21:03 Excludos wrote: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKHU4pjzQM&t=870s&pp=2AHmBpACAQ== This analysis from Martin shows the Max-Lewis situation from last weekend pretty clearly. Hamilton turns into Max. Whilst Max is definitely not in control of his car as he divebombs from out of space, locks up, and would have gone straight off, all Lewis had to do was wait with the turn-in, and pull the world's easiest switchback. Pretty clear racing incident; both parties could (and should) have done more. I hadn't seen Lewis' onboard yet, it's actually a lot worse than I thought. Did he just deliberately turn in on Max? Talk about dangerous driving, damn.. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
Lewis easily had the move covered just by continuing straight for another fraction of a second before turning in. It was easily avoidable for sure. | ||
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