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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6230 Posts
January 20 2017 14:42 GMT
#2681
What is a sin bin?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
January 20 2017 14:56 GMT
#2682
On January 20 2017 23:42 RvB wrote:
What is a sin bin?

Term from rugby and other sports. You get basically a 10 minute time out.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6230 Posts
January 20 2017 15:07 GMT
#2683
That's not too bad. Gives something in between a red and a yellow. A yellow card is pretty meaningless nowadays since nothing really happens.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18044 Posts
January 20 2017 15:22 GMT
#2684
On January 20 2017 23:56 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 23:42 RvB wrote:
What is a sin bin?

Term from rugby and other sports. You get basically a 10 minute time out.

Awww, my reply was far better, but my phone didn't post it :/

Here it goes: it's like a temp ban on TL.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
January 20 2017 19:31 GMT
#2685
Stupid question: Is there any relevant sport with "sin bins" where time is not stopped for at least some kind of breaks (for example, in case of injuries)?
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 20:13:47
January 20 2017 20:09 GMT
#2686
On January 21 2017 04:31 Mafe wrote:
Stupid question: Is there any relevant sport with "sin bins" where time is not stopped for at least some kind of breaks (for example, in case of injuries)?


Field hockey. there is a rolling substitution system and generally when players get sin binned (yellow card or 2 green cards 5mins, one green card (2 mins) - International rules) they pretty much rush off the field, thats more of a culture thing though.

Same for injuries, but again this is all possible because of rolling subs. There is no excuse to stop play as you have no excuse to be short because of an injury.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 20:56:07
January 20 2017 20:55 GMT
#2687
On January 21 2017 05:09 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2017 04:31 Mafe wrote:
Stupid question: Is there any relevant sport with "sin bins" where time is not stopped for at least some kind of breaks (for example, in case of injuries)?


Field hockey. there is a rolling substitution system and generally when players get sin binned (yellow card or 2 green cards 5mins, one green card (2 mins) - International rules) they pretty much rush off the field, thats more of a culture thing though.

Same for injuries, but again this is all possible because of rolling subs. There is no excuse to stop play as you have no excuse to be short because of an injury.

Doesn't field hockey stop clock for penalty corners?
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 20 2017 20:58 GMT
#2688
On January 21 2017 05:55 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2017 05:09 Rebs wrote:
On January 21 2017 04:31 Mafe wrote:
Stupid question: Is there any relevant sport with "sin bins" where time is not stopped for at least some kind of breaks (for example, in case of injuries)?


Field hockey. there is a rolling substitution system and generally when players get sin binned (yellow card or 2 green cards 5mins, one green card (2 mins) - International rules) they pretty much rush off the field, thats more of a culture thing though.

Same for injuries, but again this is all possible because of rolling subs. There is no excuse to stop play as you have no excuse to be short because of an injury.

Doesn't field hockey stop clock for penalty corners?


Yes it stops the clock for penalty corners. But thats not what he asked.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
January 20 2017 21:03 GMT
#2689
On January 21 2017 05:58 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2017 05:55 sneirac wrote:
On January 21 2017 05:09 Rebs wrote:
On January 21 2017 04:31 Mafe wrote:
Stupid question: Is there any relevant sport with "sin bins" where time is not stopped for at least some kind of breaks (for example, in case of injuries)?


Field hockey. there is a rolling substitution system and generally when players get sin binned (yellow card or 2 green cards 5mins, one green card (2 mins) - International rules) they pretty much rush off the field, thats more of a culture thing though.

Same for injuries, but again this is all possible because of rolling subs. There is no excuse to stop play as you have no excuse to be short because of an injury.

Doesn't field hockey stop clock for penalty corners?


Yes it stops the clock for penalty corners. But thats not what he asked.

Eh i understood that as absolutely no stopping of the clock at all and I don't know any sport that does that.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 21:11:45
January 20 2017 21:06 GMT
#2690
On January 21 2017 06:03 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2017 05:58 Rebs wrote:
On January 21 2017 05:55 sneirac wrote:
On January 21 2017 05:09 Rebs wrote:
On January 21 2017 04:31 Mafe wrote:
Stupid question: Is there any relevant sport with "sin bins" where time is not stopped for at least some kind of breaks (for example, in case of injuries)?


Field hockey. there is a rolling substitution system and generally when players get sin binned (yellow card or 2 green cards 5mins, one green card (2 mins) - International rules) they pretty much rush off the field, thats more of a culture thing though.

Same for injuries, but again this is all possible because of rolling subs. There is no excuse to stop play as you have no excuse to be short because of an injury.

Doesn't field hockey stop clock for penalty corners?


Yes it stops the clock for penalty corners. But thats not what he asked.

Eh i understood that as absolutely no stopping of the clock at all and I don't know any sport that does that.


He asked about sin bins, that did not invole some kind of breaks.


Taking a penalty corner is part of the game. Just like taking penalties or free kicks is a part of the game in footy. I dont think anyone has an issue with those kinds of delays.

I mean if thats your criteria there is literally no contact sport that doesnt involve some kind of stoppage. If that was his question, it would be a stupid question. I dont think he was asking a stupid question.

The difference is waddling and trying to waste time doesnt work because the clock is stopped quite transparently, the lack of transparency in fotty stoppage time is what bugs most people.

So generally everything is happening pretty fludily in field hockey.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
January 20 2017 21:15 GMT
#2691
Rugby Union sin bin i guess is big sport for it. Yellow card = 10 mins out. Red card = off.
They also dont stop the clock for anything but the game can't stop until ball is dead
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28683 Posts
January 21 2017 00:13 GMT
#2692
rebs he was asking if there are any sports that practice temporary suspensions without stopping time when the ball is out of play. It's a relevant question, because obviously if you have temporary suspensions without stopping time when ball is out of play you will really incentivize delaying as much as possible whenever you're a player short which you really don't want. It wasn't about fluidity.
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
January 21 2017 00:22 GMT
#2693
On January 21 2017 09:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
rebs he was asking if there are any sports that practice temporary suspensions without stopping time when the ball is out of play. It's a relevant question, because obviously if you have temporary suspensions without stopping time when ball is out of play you will really incentivize delaying as much as possible whenever you're a player short which you really don't want. It wasn't about fluidity.


Yeah and thats the question i answered. i dont see the confusion here.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51490 Posts
January 21 2017 00:24 GMT
#2694
Few managers seem to be poo poo'n on van basten ideas.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28683 Posts
January 21 2017 01:06 GMT
#2695
ah sorry my bad.
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3981 Posts
January 21 2017 03:32 GMT
#2696
I think the discussion about offside is valid - but the complete lack of offside is maybe not the answer. But you can't disagree that the offside rule is not just doing what it's supposed to - stopping a player from sitting in the box all match. it was not invented to stop players who are 1 foot offside from scoring, or defences playing high up the pitch because of it. I also dislike the way it's always a cause of debates - if there needs to be an offside rule, it should be clear when it happens...i just don't know how to implement rules in order to achieve that.

Actual game time: great!
4 quarters: terrible
Sinbins: good
25m 1v1 penalties: ok
Captain only speaks: great!
Max fouls per player: ok


TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
January 21 2017 10:22 GMT
#2697
I actually like the idea of 4 quarters. Gives the players more time to rest and the coach can adjust the game for often. You could also change the substituion rule, like you can sub players as often as you want but only during quarter breaks (except for injuries obviously). and you can bring a player back who was subbed out earlier.
Respect my authoritah!!
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 21 2017 10:28 GMT
#2698
My main concern is that the rest is going to take longer than the actual game with all those commercials they are going to pack into it. I don't watch NBA matches live because of this. Actual game time is great, but it is going to be weird to adjust to 30~35 minutes per half.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4135 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-21 10:53:46
January 21 2017 10:53 GMT
#2699
I doubt 25m 1v1 penalty is a good idea because GKs are in a very bad position (maybe except Neuer and Navas). Penalty area is too big.
Active play:
• Interfering with play
• Interfering with an opponent
• Gaining advantage

I think Sevilla vs Barcelona where Messi shot a goal because Suarez (~3m offside) avoided ball contact actively (intended) and interfered the GK (unintended). Otherwise the ball would have hammered Suarez.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
January 21 2017 12:20 GMT
#2700
I think tactical fouls/yellows are an important part of the game. Introducing sin bin should be for like maybe dissent or something.
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