EPT2015 UFC/MMA Discussion Thread - Page 9
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SynC[gm]
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CorsairHero
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Sermokala
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JimmyJRaynor
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i wonder how skilled of a liar Jon Jones is. and i wonder if FOX showed him the questions before the interview. it looks to me like there is an edit or cut at 6:00. and it appears there are other cuts in the interview. but, he looks pretty honest overall. this is a pretty good piece of damage control. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On January 22 2015 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote:+ Show Spoiler + the FOX Sports interview with Jon Jones is now on youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8A6F5XOTl8 i wonder how skilled of a liar Jon Jones is. and i wonder if FOX showed him the questions before the interview. it looks to me like there is an edit or cut at 6:00. and it appears there are other cuts in the interview. but, he looks pretty honest overall. this is a pretty good piece of damage control. I'll bet Rory MacDonald is behind this. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
Can't be, he's not as popular in Canada as GSP. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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Rory doesn't have the PR skills to pull this off. | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
On January 22 2015 13:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Rory doesn't have the PR skills to pull this off. He would if the UFC understood the Quebec market. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On January 22 2015 11:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the FOX Sports interview with Jon Jones is now on youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8A6F5XOTl8 i wonder how skilled of a liar Jon Jones is. and i wonder if FOX showed him the questions before the interview. it looks to me like there is an edit or cut at 6:00. and it appears there are other cuts in the interview. but, he looks pretty honest overall. this is a pretty good piece of damage control. god made him do it | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17020 Posts
On January 22 2015 14:50 ninazerg wrote: He would if the UFC understood the Quebec market. the UFC might not be that great, but i think they realize Montreal doesn't have a majority of native english speakers unlike some of our posters in this thread. Now, here is a guy with mad promo/pr skills: Conor Mcgregor. Mcgregor v. Siver blew away the viewer #s of any of previous FS1 fight. 2.75 million average viewers. the previous record was set by Sonnen v. Rua and drew 1.78 million average viewers. i'm no math whiz but 2.75 >> 1.78  well played Mr. Mcgregor.i think the fact that Mcgregor is a featherweight makes this accomplishment all the more astounding. the larger the size of the fighter the easier it is to promote them. heavyweights are always the easiest to promote and always the easiest to make into really famous guys. http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/1/21/7868339/fox-sports-1-numbers-firmly-establish-conor-mcgregor-as-a-major-u-s | ||
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GrapeApe
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edit: So, I just started to think about something - how much does the perception of a fighter impact the judges scorecard? I remember hearing Joe Rogan (or someone, not sure) say it was bullshit that it feels like a fighter throwing his hands up after a close round and acting like he won it, has an impact on how judges score it. This got me to thinking,(recent example, not discussing the fight specifically) if a guy like Benson Henderson isn't landing take downs and working his grappling, and instead just striking with someone like Cowboy do the judges give credit to Cowboy for "shutting down" what Benson is "known" for? I mean, even Cowboy before that fight was pretty damn confident it was going to be a wrasslin' match *spit*...but it wasn't. At all. So, do you think the judges have this sort of...bias when it comes to scoring fights? That if Fighter A isn't working the game plan they are "suppose" to work its because Fighter B isn't making it possible? (And this isn't the case for all fights, but a lot of close fights with bad judging) Another example could be Sanchez/Pearson. From what I remember Pearson allowed Sanchez to just stalk him while picking him clean in exchanges and making him bleed, but he fought the fight that Sanchez is known for and allowed the judges to think that sanchez was imposing his will or something. I dunno, that one was real poopy. | ||
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JimmiC
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ieatkids5
United States4628 Posts
another interesting thing is judging based on damage. some people think that the fighter that did more damage should win. so if fighter A landed less significant strikes etc than fighter B, but fighter B is all cut up and bruised while fighter A looks fine, then A should be declared the winner. some other people would argue that this isn't right because the win should be given to the guy who had the better technique and skill, and that if he looked like he took more damage, then it might only be because he bruises or cuts more easily. and then the first camp would argue that being more prone to bruises is a physical trait, just like strength and speed, so it's part of how a fighter should be evaluated anyway. and so on... speaking of the points system, i'm wondering if you guys would rather watch fights that have no time limit (only finishes or forfeits), like how some of the old japanese bouts were done. i know this isn't feasible for the UFC, but is this something you guys prefer? the fights would certainly play out a lot differently - probably a lot more defensive fighting, guys holding on to each other on the ground trying to tire the other guy out.. | ||
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GrapeApe
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@above - All fights 5 rounds :D | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3127 Posts
At the same time, yeah, I can't help but think every fight will have subjective judging regardless of whether or not the judges have experience in training MMA themselves or knowing of who the fighters are. As for which kind of bout system I'd prefer, I don't mind the one that's in place right now, with 3 5-minute rounds and the occasional 5 5-minute rounds. I tried watching boxing some days back (it was Pacquiao vs Bradley), which I believe are 12 3-minute rounds and though the bout itself was entertaining, I felt like it was really long, even as a viewer, to go through 36 minutes of action like that. Maybe I'm just used to the UFC format, I didn't watch/follow MMA during Pride nor am I particularly fond of their rules either. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17020 Posts
On January 23 2015 01:28 GrapeApe wrote: 1) An insane marketing push mcgregor contributed to the insane marketing push by doing 87 bazillion interviews and promotional events leading up to the fight..the guy deserves credit for that. a lot of guys avoid press events at all costs. | ||
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JimmiC
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CorsairHero
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GrapeApe
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On January 23 2015 12:58 CorsairHero wrote: judge's dont even know what a 10-8 round is. Making it even more complicated would be worse with that scoring system. They also don't give out enough 10-10's. Agreed. It all comes down to how well the judges know MMA. The sport does need more 10-8 rounds, and more 10-10 rounds, but to pull that off it needs judges who know what the hell they're doing. The athletic commissions, one of them, need a person to step up and really push for changes in how MMA is judged, ref'd and all around regulated. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17020 Posts
On January 23 2015 13:59 GrapeApe wrote: Agreed. It all comes down to how well the judges know MMA. The sport does need more 10-8 rounds, and more 10-10 rounds, but to pull that off it needs judges who know what the hell they're doing. The athletic commissions, one of them, need a person to step up and really push for changes in how MMA is judged, ref'd and all around regulated. Boxing has also had judging problems for decades. In fact, any sport with judging has always had problems with the judges. Judging can be improved upon , but it'll always be an issue. Even after some good improvements get made you will always get the occasional really bad decision. | ||
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