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On December 18 2014 06:53 smr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 06:44 Micro_Jackson wrote:On December 18 2014 06:22 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 18 2014 06:14 BlackCompany wrote:On December 18 2014 06:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 18 2014 06:00 BlackCompany wrote:On December 18 2014 05:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 18 2014 05:53 BlackCompany wrote:
So 2:2. Thats more what i could have asked for before the match considering the standings and all that stuff.
But now i can only see the incompetence in BVBs defense and 2 badly needed points lost. Another disapooonting evening..oh well i am used to it.. Yup. Continued disappointment from Dortmund. The only positive was Immobile's performance. Everything else was fucking pathetic. This defense is ten different kinds of absolutely awful. Words really cannot express how shitty it is. The offense is also still pathetically inefficient. BVB should've gotten a good 5 goals out of that game but they didn't. And I continue to question Klopp's decisions. Why the fuck would you leave Aubameyang and Grosskreutz on the field for the entire game? Yea, if you look at it in a vacuum, it's nice to get 1 point from the #2 team, but we absolutely needed the 3 points, and anything less is failure. Hertha even shit the bed, giving us a chance to overtake them before the Winter Break, but nope. I am just so scared about what will happen vs Bremen. Because Bremen will almost 100% score once. And if they score first, things just go downhill in our team. So i pray for the best ye i was writing the second last playday or so how its only a couple points till europa league. But after the Berlin game i would be happy if they finish on a single digit place. Much more realistic is barely not going down in 2. League. I doubt Reus can work enough wonders to boost us into international business Edit2: I just hope Zorc and Watze have enough sense to not go into huge debts again to keep buying players even though we dont have the money. Then rather sell people like Reus and Gündogan. I dont want this club to carsh and burn like it almost did some years ago I think the problem is that the organization is too scared. They look at where they were and think, "We can't blow that kind of money on players". The problem is that we didn't make any true high-profile signings over the last two years. We picked up a lot of potential in Immobile, Sokratis, Aubameyang, Mhki, Durm, Ginter, Ramos, Kagawa (again), and Dong Won Ji. However, several of these transfers have been complete busts. I don't know exactly what the books look like, but I do know we're quickly on our way to getting rid of all of our debt and that we have a surging revenue stream. We should be able to make some big-name signings (and rely on a quality youth system) instead of just sticking to a bunch of foreign potential. It's also hurting us with players like Hummels, Reus, and Gundogan. Why would these top-tier players stay if they see that we're not willing to sign at least a big name here and there that will help us stay perpetually competitive in Europe? As for the Bremen game, it's an established fact that BVB is worse than a bunch of high schoolers when they possess the ball. They are absolutely 100% incompetent at breaking down a defense, creating chances, and converting them. Combine this with the fact that our defense is pretty much the worst in the league (I think it's maybe 3rd or 4th worst at the moment), and it makes sense that BVB has a better chance of beating good teams and should be rightly considered the underdog going against a lower quality team that can just park the bus. That might have been true for the last 2 seasons, and you are right. We are (almost?) without debts and that is just awesome. But without money from CL, you just cant buy big names. You cant pay them. Its easily 20+ millions missing (we made like 40-50 in the season we went to the finals). And thats something you cant compensate. Oh and i dont think Reus will stay at all if we finish like 13th. And some others might express their will to go aswell. If we finish out of an EL spot, then it's almost guaranteed that we'll lose Gundogan, Reus, and Hummels, at which point the club is pretty much sunk and will be back to the relative mediocrity of the Bundesliga pack (Bayern + everyone else, or "Bayern's feeder league"). As for the standings, the highest possible position we can get now for the Winter Break is 12th; we would need Hertha, Mainz and HSV to lose. Stuttgart faces Paderborn, so one of them will move up to 19+ points no matter what. This is another thing that infuriates me; for BVB to jump several positions over the past couple weeks, they have needed a large number of other results to go their way, and they ALL HAVE. If BVB had been able to take the win from Hertha and VfL, they'd be in 10th now, and in position to jump to 7th before the Winter Break! And that's after the horrible start! FUCK! Think about if we'd just had two results go our way? Looking at a possible 7th place after our horrible Oct-Nov? As always my opinion of Sokratis differs from yours. If we was there and tackled de Bruyne twice today we might've had a calm evening because he might have lost his motivation. The only top player I somewhat expect to stay is Hummels. No matter what our management says how hard they try I assume that Reus is gone until we hear of a contract extension. That's why I want to buy a replacement for him during the winter. I've softened on my opinion of Sokratis. He makes so poor positional decisions, but overall, he's pretty reliable, and MUCH more reliable that Subotic at this point. I absolutely cannot wait to get him back. I'm firmly convinced that Reus will leave unless we 1) make a miracle comeback and get into the CL and 2) make some big name signings to show him that we're fuckin' serious about competing long-term. What we absolutely need in the Winter is 1) a good CB and 2) a good CAM/LW. We're don't have the depth to compensate for Reus's injury at the moment and when you have to put Grosskreutz in the starting lineup in the attacking midfield, you know you're sitting pretty thin. I think Gündogan is unsellable at this point. At least at a acceptable price, his back is just too big of a question mark long term. I wouldnt call Dortmund out too early 12 points behind CL is not impossible with a little bit of luck. We've been 7/8/9/12 points behind CL for weeks. At this point it's we're not any more special than Hamburg or Bremen. I heard that Gündogan's injury is something that can't just come back after being treated and in my opinion every sane manager would "risk" buying him if he stays fit the next 6 months. The operation fixed it and he was only out for that long because it was a risky operation and they tried to heal it every other possible way before "gambling" with his health. Pool vs Chelsea Capital One Cup hype : P
The thing with back injuries is that they arent working like a broken leg or something, depending on what is injured and how it might be ok, but it might also be possible that he is one wrong move away from ending his career. Back injuries are really nasty because they effect the whole body and i think not even his own doctors can predict how it will go long term.
He will be on his last contract year next season and if you keep in mind that Kroos, who is better on any level in my opinion, went for 30 million with 1 year left. And he didnt had a questionable back. So what would Dortmund get? 10? 12.5? So i would rather expect them to extend his contract, maybe get a discount for not dumping him during the injury and hope that he will recover to his old 2011-2013 form.
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On December 18 2014 07:37 Micro_Jackson wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 06:53 smr wrote:On December 18 2014 06:44 Micro_Jackson wrote:On December 18 2014 06:22 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 18 2014 06:14 BlackCompany wrote:On December 18 2014 06:10 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 18 2014 06:00 BlackCompany wrote:On December 18 2014 05:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 18 2014 05:53 BlackCompany wrote:
So 2:2. Thats more what i could have asked for before the match considering the standings and all that stuff.
But now i can only see the incompetence in BVBs defense and 2 badly needed points lost. Another disapooonting evening..oh well i am used to it.. Yup. Continued disappointment from Dortmund. The only positive was Immobile's performance. Everything else was fucking pathetic. This defense is ten different kinds of absolutely awful. Words really cannot express how shitty it is. The offense is also still pathetically inefficient. BVB should've gotten a good 5 goals out of that game but they didn't. And I continue to question Klopp's decisions. Why the fuck would you leave Aubameyang and Grosskreutz on the field for the entire game? Yea, if you look at it in a vacuum, it's nice to get 1 point from the #2 team, but we absolutely needed the 3 points, and anything less is failure. Hertha even shit the bed, giving us a chance to overtake them before the Winter Break, but nope. I am just so scared about what will happen vs Bremen. Because Bremen will almost 100% score once. And if they score first, things just go downhill in our team. So i pray for the best ye i was writing the second last playday or so how its only a couple points till europa league. But after the Berlin game i would be happy if they finish on a single digit place. Much more realistic is barely not going down in 2. League. I doubt Reus can work enough wonders to boost us into international business Edit2: I just hope Zorc and Watze have enough sense to not go into huge debts again to keep buying players even though we dont have the money. Then rather sell people like Reus and Gündogan. I dont want this club to carsh and burn like it almost did some years ago I think the problem is that the organization is too scared. They look at where they were and think, "We can't blow that kind of money on players". The problem is that we didn't make any true high-profile signings over the last two years. We picked up a lot of potential in Immobile, Sokratis, Aubameyang, Mhki, Durm, Ginter, Ramos, Kagawa (again), and Dong Won Ji. However, several of these transfers have been complete busts. I don't know exactly what the books look like, but I do know we're quickly on our way to getting rid of all of our debt and that we have a surging revenue stream. We should be able to make some big-name signings (and rely on a quality youth system) instead of just sticking to a bunch of foreign potential. It's also hurting us with players like Hummels, Reus, and Gundogan. Why would these top-tier players stay if they see that we're not willing to sign at least a big name here and there that will help us stay perpetually competitive in Europe? As for the Bremen game, it's an established fact that BVB is worse than a bunch of high schoolers when they possess the ball. They are absolutely 100% incompetent at breaking down a defense, creating chances, and converting them. Combine this with the fact that our defense is pretty much the worst in the league (I think it's maybe 3rd or 4th worst at the moment), and it makes sense that BVB has a better chance of beating good teams and should be rightly considered the underdog going against a lower quality team that can just park the bus. That might have been true for the last 2 seasons, and you are right. We are (almost?) without debts and that is just awesome. But without money from CL, you just cant buy big names. You cant pay them. Its easily 20+ millions missing (we made like 40-50 in the season we went to the finals). And thats something you cant compensate. Oh and i dont think Reus will stay at all if we finish like 13th. And some others might express their will to go aswell. If we finish out of an EL spot, then it's almost guaranteed that we'll lose Gundogan, Reus, and Hummels, at which point the club is pretty much sunk and will be back to the relative mediocrity of the Bundesliga pack (Bayern + everyone else, or "Bayern's feeder league"). As for the standings, the highest possible position we can get now for the Winter Break is 12th; we would need Hertha, Mainz and HSV to lose. Stuttgart faces Paderborn, so one of them will move up to 19+ points no matter what. This is another thing that infuriates me; for BVB to jump several positions over the past couple weeks, they have needed a large number of other results to go their way, and they ALL HAVE. If BVB had been able to take the win from Hertha and VfL, they'd be in 10th now, and in position to jump to 7th before the Winter Break! And that's after the horrible start! FUCK! Think about if we'd just had two results go our way? Looking at a possible 7th place after our horrible Oct-Nov? As always my opinion of Sokratis differs from yours. If we was there and tackled de Bruyne twice today we might've had a calm evening because he might have lost his motivation. The only top player I somewhat expect to stay is Hummels. No matter what our management says how hard they try I assume that Reus is gone until we hear of a contract extension. That's why I want to buy a replacement for him during the winter. I've softened on my opinion of Sokratis. He makes so poor positional decisions, but overall, he's pretty reliable, and MUCH more reliable that Subotic at this point. I absolutely cannot wait to get him back. I'm firmly convinced that Reus will leave unless we 1) make a miracle comeback and get into the CL and 2) make some big name signings to show him that we're fuckin' serious about competing long-term. What we absolutely need in the Winter is 1) a good CB and 2) a good CAM/LW. We're don't have the depth to compensate for Reus's injury at the moment and when you have to put Grosskreutz in the starting lineup in the attacking midfield, you know you're sitting pretty thin. I think Gündogan is unsellable at this point. At least at a acceptable price, his back is just too big of a question mark long term. I wouldnt call Dortmund out too early 12 points behind CL is not impossible with a little bit of luck. We've been 7/8/9/12 points behind CL for weeks. At this point it's we're not any more special than Hamburg or Bremen. I heard that Gündogan's injury is something that can't just come back after being treated and in my opinion every sane manager would "risk" buying him if he stays fit the next 6 months. The operation fixed it and he was only out for that long because it was a risky operation and they tried to heal it every other possible way before "gambling" with his health. Pool vs Chelsea Capital One Cup hype : P The thing with back injuries is that they arent working like a broken leg or something, depending on what is injured and how it might be ok, but it might also be possible that he is one wrong move away from ending his career. Back injuries are really nasty because they effect the whole body and i think not even his own doctors can predict how it will go long term. He will be on his last contract year next season and if you keep in mind that Kroos, who is better on any level in my opinion, went for 30 million with 1 year left. And he didnt had a questionable back. So what would Dortmund get? 10? 12.5? So i would rather expect them to extend his contract, maybe get a discount for not dumping him during the injury and hope that he will recover to his old 2011-2013 form.
I think everybody around Dortmund wants to extend his contract but the question is what Gündogan wants. Comparing him to Kroos it would seem that he'll cost another club 15 at max but afaik Kroos asked for lots of money. Let's say 10million? If Gündogan asks for 5-6 that means that a lot of clubs can bid for him which will result in better offers.
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On December 17 2014 03:47 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 03:15 haitike wrote:
Funny thing that Kameni played instead of Ochoa in Malaga this season. Ochoa had so much hype after WC. But I guess that at club level he wasn't so awesome last year. Yeah, the WC hype is a funny thing. The guy got hit by the ball a couple of times, made some good saves and all of a sudden is hyped as a great GK. I'm pretty sure that there is a reason why he was free agent and didn't manage to beat Kameni for the 1st place in Malaga.
Kameni cut his salary in half to stay so the coach didn't wanna play Ochoa after that.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Standard bullcrap of Liverpool vs Chelsea in a semi final of a cup competition that is played with 2 legs TT
If it wasn't for Liverpool being terrible and not reaching many lately we would get them every year >.<
Oh well, lets hope they dont raise their game by 100% as usual when they play us..
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Pool will need to raise it by 200% to make it an interesting game IMO. Otherwise it should be a stomp.
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So Markovic scored his first goal for Liverpool last night? 4 months ago I thought of that offensive lineup with Sterling, Sturridge, Lallana, Markovic and was sure every single one of them would've scored atleast 5 goals come Christmas. I wonder how the season would look like if Sturridge wasn't injured.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
I believe he played wing back last night smr as well. Pretty sure they went 3-5-2 or something with Sterling upfront. I was watching 2 games at the same time as well as playing WoW TT so i am not best to comment lol.
One thing for sure Sterling finished off 10x harder chances against Bournemouth than he did vs Yanited at old trafford which was strange :s
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On December 18 2014 18:51 Pandemona wrote:
I believe he played wing back last night smr as well. Pretty sure they went 3-5-2 or something with Sterling upfront. I was watching 2 games at the same time as well as playing WoW TT so i am not best to comment lol.
One thing for sure Sterling finished off 10x harder chances against Bournemouth than he did vs Yanited at old trafford which was strange :s
Playing agaisnt Bournemouth its HARDLY the same as playing against United at Old Trafford
Nervous, 100% Nervous
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On December 18 2014 19:12 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2014 18:51 Pandemona wrote:
I believe he played wing back last night smr as well. Pretty sure they went 3-5-2 or something with Sterling upfront. I was watching 2 games at the same time as well as playing WoW TT so i am not best to comment lol.
One thing for sure Sterling finished off 10x harder chances against Bournemouth than he did vs Yanited at old trafford which was strange :s Playing agaisnt Bournemouth its HARDLY the same as playing against United at Old Trafford Nervous, 100% Nervous
Boruc > De Gea though, so I'll say it was a comparable situation :D
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Well know it not who was in goal it was the way he composed himself in front of it and how good the finish was. Doesn't matter if it was De Gea or whoever in goal, the goals from Sterling were good finishers you expect from him in his position. Just i guess like said he was nervous at old trafford or just had his worst game ever.
Ah they played 3-5-2 at yanited ya but they had 2 wingbacks that time. I mean i would not play Markovic as wing back when you have Moreno for example.
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Supposedly BVB won't make any Winter signings unless they sell some players...
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Migrant workers in Qatar get one dollar an hour for sitting in the stadiums and pretending to have fun, to applaud and to do the wave, AP reports. Sometimes they even were asked to dress like Qataris in white robes and head-scarves.
"Qatar has a true passion for sports. Everything in our country revolves around sport," Aphrodite Moschoudi, Qatar presenter in 2019 world championships host selection, said in November.
http://rt.com/news/215363-qatar-fifa-fake-fans/
Wish I got paid $8 to go watch football games 
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On December 19 2014 02:13 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +Migrant workers in Qatar get one dollar an hour for sitting in the stadiums and pretending to have fun, to applaud and to do the wave, AP reports. Sometimes they even were asked to dress like Qataris in white robes and head-scarves.
"Qatar has a true passion for sports. Everything in our country revolves around sport," Aphrodite Moschoudi, Qatar presenter in 2019 world championships host selection, said in November. http://rt.com/news/215363-qatar-fifa-fake-fans/Wish I got paid $8 to go watch football games
sure, and then after the game, you'll get paid 0.01$ to be a slave. worth. 
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That quote is hilariously ironic.
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Balotelli banned 1 match and fined for his instagram post. I'm just glad the English FA is here to be my moral compass in these difficult and confusing times.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Yeah i agree. I mean without the FA telling me what is wrong and right to view is good. I am no longer a lost sheep :D
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On December 19 2014 05:11 Rokomish wrote:
Balotelli banned 1 match and fined for his instagram post. I'm just glad the English FA is here to be my moral compass in these difficult and confusing times.
Which news story do you think is more bizarre/interesting:
Balotelli being banned one game and fined for the Mario Instagram post,
or
Reus being fined 450,000 Euros for driving without a valid driver's license (he tried to use a counterfeit Dutch one, turns out he never got his driver's license) after also being fined FIVE times for speeding in the past?
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