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Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 19:22:53
December 02 2014 19:21 GMT
#7921
There's just a difference in current football and football say.. 20+ years ago. Historical big clubs (Ajax, AC Milan) either make way for money clubs or have money themselves (Barcelona, Real Madrid).

When we're talking Chelsea, before they got the Russian money for example they had no more accomplishments than say.. AZ Alkmaar. Doesn't matter though. Times are changing, deal with it. It's nice to reminisce the old days, and being an Ajax fan I definitely do miss the glory days, but money has corrupted football beyond repair and that's just what we have to live with.
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
December 02 2014 19:30 GMT
#7922
Good post.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
December 02 2014 20:20 GMT
#7923
Liverpool looking less than convincing again.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-02 20:39:23
December 02 2014 20:25 GMT
#7924
Ac Milan are also a sugar daddy team and Real Madrid were backed by Franco in the old days. The English first division was riddled by local businessmen spending their money which led to England dominating European football until they were banned from participating. I think historically money has always played a role, but there were restrictions that kept things from spiraling out of control. The Bosman ruling has destroyed those restriction which not only lets players leave for free but it also abolished the 3 foreigner rule.

Edit: Anyway what I mean to say is that I don't think you can lay the blame on Chelsea or City for the current turn of events. They too had to endure times where businessmen came in and had the likes of Leeds, Nottingham forest and derby win the league. However nowadays the whole of Europe has been influenced by this and not just England.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
December 03 2014 01:15 GMT
#7925
On December 03 2014 04:06 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 02:15 Ferrose wrote:
On December 03 2014 01:42 Pandemona wrote:
Chelsea won the league in 1955 and had the opportunity to be in the first ever Champions league but choose not to for whatever reason (i can't remember why) that year Real Madrid won it for the first time. Wonder if Chelsea would of beat them back then :3


Some research reveals that it was the FA who bullied them into not competing:

As Chelsea continue their Champions League adventure against Bayern Munich at Stamford Bridge tonight, it is worth reflecting that the Sillett brothers might well have reached at least the quarter-final stage in the 1955-56 season but for the intervention of Alan Hardaker, the totalitarian secretary of the Football League. Hardaker, who viewed the notion of European competition with the disdain Margaret Thatcher displayed for the European Parliament, bullied Chelsea chairman and Football League president Joe Mears into withdrawing from the original European Cup competition won by Real Madrid.

Thus was the world of football denied what would have been an intriguing head-to-head contest between Gento (Real Madrid and Spain) and John Sillett (Chelsea and Wiltshire Schools). "Amazing, isn't it? Imagine being prevented from playing in the European Cup. I finally got to play in Europe in the old Inter-Cities Fairs' Cup in 1958. We played in Bilbao where it was so muddy you couldn't kick a ball more than 10 yards and Ted Drake, who was a wonderful motivator but not a great tactician, decreed 'no pass-backs'.


Source

I can't believe I'm defending Chelsea here, but the criticism is unwarranted. They won the League Cup once, the FA Cup twice, the Cup Winners' Cup once, and the UEFA Super Cup in the late 90s. And they got to the quarterfinals of the CL the one time they competed in it. And they had some amazing players like Gianfranco Zola.


I'm sry, how can you say that chelsea was a big club and then list these "achievements" to back up that claim.
It actually proves the opposite.


The point was that they were more than an "average" PL club. They were in fact one of the best clubs in England and were able to translate that success to the European stage.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
December 03 2014 01:40 GMT
#7926
Thats just because average is a dumb word. Technically, any club in the Premier League is far above the average english club. One person means that anything that isnt a top tier club is average or below, someone else believe that any team that has the smallest shot of winning a major title would never be average, a third person has their own definition.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
December 03 2014 04:19 GMT
#7927


Perfectly hit. Look at that bend.



This guy has already scored a million free kicks and he's only 20.

@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 05:00:44
December 03 2014 04:53 GMT
#7928
On December 03 2014 10:15 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2014 04:06 Steveling wrote:
On December 03 2014 02:15 Ferrose wrote:
On December 03 2014 01:42 Pandemona wrote:
Chelsea won the league in 1955 and had the opportunity to be in the first ever Champions league but choose not to for whatever reason (i can't remember why) that year Real Madrid won it for the first time. Wonder if Chelsea would of beat them back then :3


Some research reveals that it was the FA who bullied them into not competing:

As Chelsea continue their Champions League adventure against Bayern Munich at Stamford Bridge tonight, it is worth reflecting that the Sillett brothers might well have reached at least the quarter-final stage in the 1955-56 season but for the intervention of Alan Hardaker, the totalitarian secretary of the Football League. Hardaker, who viewed the notion of European competition with the disdain Margaret Thatcher displayed for the European Parliament, bullied Chelsea chairman and Football League president Joe Mears into withdrawing from the original European Cup competition won by Real Madrid.

Thus was the world of football denied what would have been an intriguing head-to-head contest between Gento (Real Madrid and Spain) and John Sillett (Chelsea and Wiltshire Schools). "Amazing, isn't it? Imagine being prevented from playing in the European Cup. I finally got to play in Europe in the old Inter-Cities Fairs' Cup in 1958. We played in Bilbao where it was so muddy you couldn't kick a ball more than 10 yards and Ted Drake, who was a wonderful motivator but not a great tactician, decreed 'no pass-backs'.


Source

I can't believe I'm defending Chelsea here, but the criticism is unwarranted. They won the League Cup once, the FA Cup twice, the Cup Winners' Cup once, and the UEFA Super Cup in the late 90s. And they got to the quarterfinals of the CL the one time they competed in it. And they had some amazing players like Gianfranco Zola.


I'm sry, how can you say that chelsea was a big club and then list these "achievements" to back up that claim.
It actually proves the opposite.


The point was that they were more than an "average" PL club. They were in fact one of the best clubs in England and were able to translate that success to the European stage.


I'll give you above average in the PL, they were certainly knocking on the door (but you never took them seriously as contendors, sorta like Everton today)

But please the "European Success" being the one off CWC and Super cup wins isnt something I would brag about.

The CWC was even below UEFA cup level. You had clubs you had never even heard of playing that thing like second division in I dont knowwww like Slovakia playing that shit.

Thats why they killed it.

Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
December 03 2014 06:47 GMT
#7929
http://bundesligafanatic.com/who-poisoned-dortmunds-well/

Pretty great article on Dortmund's failure. Some pretty damning statistics for a couple players, particularly Mkhitaryan, who's shooting on target at an embarrassing 33% (and passing at a disappointing 73%, with no goals to his name this year).
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10025 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 15:32:26
December 03 2014 15:30 GMT
#7930
So continuing my trend of posting anything Nottingham Forest related that might be of interest to anyone maybe here's a profile of the championship's top goalscorer and massive talent Britt Assombalonga:
He's one for the future for sure and will doubtlessly be playing in the EPL within a season or two.

Age: 21
Position: Striker
Style: Strong, determined, skillful, intelligent, prolific and instinctive - a complete striker capable of playingalone or in a partnership.
Nationality: eligible for DR Congo and England. Recently withdrew from the DR Congo squad, obviously hasn't made his choice yet.

History:
Assombalonga signed for Watford at 17 and went out on loan a few times, each time getting some goals but not too many. On 31 July 2013, League One side Peterborough United broke their previous transfer record to sign Assombalonga from Watford on a four-year deal. He went on to score 23 goals for Peterborough in 46 appearances:


This Summer, Nottingham Forest broke their transfer record to sign Assombalonga for at least £5m with future fees.
He has so far scored 12 goals for Forest in 19 appearances, playing with confidence at a higher level:


Manager Stuart Pearce has commented on how hard he works, how many things he does off the ball to help the team, and how he is always the first at training and the last to leave.
Watch out, he's one of very few quality young english strikers, and could well be a future international if he manages to get into the EPL within a year or two.
RIP Meatloaf <3
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
December 03 2014 15:59 GMT
#7931
I would be terrified to play the striker role in the England team. Journalists probably have 50 headlines about what a log you are, and these writers are the same guys that heaped praise on you when you scored 2 goals in the last match.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
December 03 2014 16:23 GMT
#7932
In the PL the yellow cards on Messi would have been deleted the day right after the game. Even the ref admitted he was wrong about it. The dude had recieved a bottle on the head (and a coin too, say some spanish media) that made him bleed on the head.

The spanish football comitee, with all their unbiased awesomeness, decides the yellow card is legit. Two of the 3 guys in the comitee are actual former RM partners (supporters with seat who payed their fee). Literally nothing new in joke-istan.
Revolutionist fan
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 03 2014 19:41 GMT
#7933
power outage at the Chelesea Hotspur game.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 20:08:07
December 03 2014 19:46 GMT
#7934
Sunderland has beaten Man City 1-0 at the Stadium of Light in each of the last four seasons. Maybe history will repeat itself.

Sunderland 1-0 City it's happening!

NVM 1-1 now they blew it.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-03 20:09:33
December 03 2014 19:50 GMT
#7935
On December 04 2014 04:41 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
power outage at the Chelesea Hotspur game.

Who do you guys think is Jaedong/Flash? I think Chelsea plays more like Flash.

edit: Chelsea leading 2:0. Confirmed for Flash
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
December 03 2014 20:08 GMT
#7936
King Drogba <3
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
December 03 2014 20:09 GMT
#7937
Just another season where Spurs getting rekt by Chelsea.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
themartinez
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden254 Posts
December 03 2014 20:12 GMT
#7938
lloris playing like mignolet
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
December 03 2014 20:32 GMT
#7939
I always notice when a Romanian is named Vlad.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
December 03 2014 21:25 GMT
#7940
Wegner was 80 minutes late with the sub, Podolski should start instead of Welbeck
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
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