EPTi dont know who is the worst.
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Mensol
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sharkie
Austria18770 Posts
On November 10 2014 08:09 Mensol wrote: Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United or Spurs? i dont know who is the worst. Arsenal are above them all plus good chances to advance out of CL group. Arsenal could do better yes but they are still far away from fail ala Utd, Liverpool or Spurs... | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28917 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4203 Posts
On November 10 2014 08:03 Stratos_speAr wrote: It has been for a while. Really doesn't look any different than the Bundesliga. At least not all the talent gets sucked up by one team lol | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On November 10 2014 08:09 Mensol wrote: Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United or Spurs? i dont know who is the worst. Totenham is quite bad | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
I think top 4 is a very tall order but I think there is a slight possibility now which would have seemed delusional at the start of the season. Obviously they have started fantastically results wise, but beyond that, they have had the good fortune of the usual top 4-6 teams stumbling badly in this early PL season. Last season Southampton started brilliantly as well, but their rivals were not so dire as they are now. The true litmus test is coming however. If they can get out of this tough December-January stretch still in the top 4 with a few wins against the big boys then I see no reason to dismiss them as top 4 contenders. It's a big IF, but not impossible in my opinion. Their big strength has been in midfield, with Schneiderlin and Wanyama absolutely terrorizing opponents and I am hard pressed to see a single team in the PL match up with that tandem physically. They really bully opponents, but still have the skill to transition defense to offense effectively. They may not match the attacking prowess of Chelsea/Arsenal/United midfield but defensively they blow them away. The Southampton backline is impeccably shielded by these two players and if injury were to strike them (especially Wanyama) I don't know if they could cope. If they remain healthy though I think Saints have a real shot at top 4 due to the fact they simply don't concede any goals. I think Spurs look boiled for the season and Liverpool is close. Tottenham looks an absolute mess, players look unhappy and confused, the coaching/tactics looks frazzled, they look bad. I think Pochettino has a defined style he wants to play but he is beginning to feel some serious heat under his feet because the players don't seem to be buying what he's selling. Liverpool failed in the transfer market in my opinion, to bolster their ranks with players suitable to Rodgers' style and are paying the price. They really have to hope Sturridge comes back, is firing on all cylinders, and can stay healthy. I think he can galvanize the team and give them a threat up front again that changes the way teams play against Pool, but those are all big IF's. United and Everton are in a but better shape I feel like. I think Everton is actually playing well despite results not going quite their way, and I think United just have a very high ceiling due to the fact they have genuine world class players. It's actually shocking how badly LvG has done so far, but I can't help but feel they will eventually turn it around. How long that takes though, will decide whether they make top 4 or not. At any rate, aside from first place, this is gonna be a hell of a season. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 10 2014 09:56 Dante08 wrote: At least not all the talent gets sucked up by one team lol Nah, just the same few teams for 20+ years. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Now at Spurs he has a bunch of overpaid stars who lack that same ambition. Praying to God that no more Arsenal players get injured during this international break. The first six games after the break are Man United home (probably going to be like 6-5 the way these teams are defending), Dortmund home, West Brom away, Southampton home, a cold Tuesday night in Stoke, and Galatasaray away. That'll be a fun couple of weeks. On November 10 2014 03:46 Serpest wrote: The team was complacent in the first half. Took too long for Arsenal to warm up. And Welbeck really should have either gone for the nutmeg or the far post. So frustrated. And then Sanogo instead of Podolski. Putting Chambers in RB when A) he's a CB B) Bellerin or Coquelin are (or have more experience at) RB. Just doesn't make any sense. And then Wenger sits on his hands throughout the game, hoping his tired team can miraculously pull off a save. If this keeps up, he's not lasting the season. You know what I don't understand? Why not play Monreal or Gibbs at right back, and Chambers at center back? Obviously the former two are left-footed, but at least they are familiar at the full back position. Monreal is too small to play as a center back. He's too short and too weak. We've already seen it twice this week as Aleksandar Mitrovic and Bafetimbi Gomis (and Wilfried Bony to some degree before he came off) exposed it to score match winners for their respective teams. Montero was burning Chambers ALL night. Everyone in the stadium could see that it was only a matter of time before Swansea finally got a goal out of it. I can't believe that Arsenal did literally NOTHING to help Chambers out that entire game. Ugh I feel my blood boiling just thinking about this. Late edit: I realize Mitrovic didn't score a match winner. It was an equalizer. May as well have been a match winner though >____> | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On November 10 2014 13:03 Ferrose wrote: I think Pochettino did well at Southampton because he had a bunch of young and/or unknown players. They were more willing to buy into his system in order to make a name for themselves. Now at Spurs he has a bunch of overpaid stars who lack that same ambition. Praying to God that no more Arsenal players get injured during this international break. The first six games after the break are Man United home (probably going to be like 6-5 the way these teams are defending), Dortmund home, West Brom away, Southampton home, a cold Tuesday night in Stoke, and Galatasaray away. That'll be a fun couple of weeks. You know what I don't understand? Why not play Monreal or Gibbs at right back, and Chambers at center back? Obviously the former two are left-footed, but at least they are familiar at the full back position. Monreal is too small to play as a center back. He's too short and too weak. We've already seen it twice this week as Aleksandar Mitrovic and Bafetimbi Gomis (and Wilfried Bony to some degree before he came off) exposed it to score match winners for their respective teams. Montero was burning Chambers ALL night. Everyone in the stadium could see that it was only a matter of time before Swansea finally got a goal out of it. I can't believe that Arsenal did literally NOTHING to help Chambers out that entire game. Ugh I feel my blood boiling just thinking about this. The Chambers situation was baffling yes. He is not the fastest player in the first place, which everyone knew, so it was surprising that he was set up as RB here. Indeed he was annihilated by Montero and nothing was done to rectify that. It's unbelievable really. Everywhere I have looked everyone said the same thing in this case, but apparently Wenger did not agree. Terrible. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On November 10 2014 13:19 Pantagruel wrote: I don't know about Pochettino. I personally think he is overrated a bit from last season. They players at Spurs aren't world beaters, sure, but they are good enough for top six and a challenge to top 4 if the usual suspects break down, as they have this season. I actually thought AvB dismissal was harsh ultimately, I think he could have come good after Rednapp with time, but i'm not convinced about Pochettino. He did very well at Southampton but he had the squad to fit him there. As you say, he doesn't at Tottenham. The best manager's can mold any team to their philosophies, while merely good managers need a team that fits their philosophies to excel in the first place. Sorry, couldn't disagree more. The Spurs XI vs. Stoke was the worst I've seen in at least 7 years. The problem with the club is the ownership of Lewis + Teflon Dan Levy, whose expectation of top 4 on a shoestring budget is outlandish and comical. Dead last in net spend over the last 5 years by a wide margin, wage bill significantly below other top 4 hopefuls, and a ridiculous turnover of players which makes continuity impossible for any manager. There are about 38 midfielders in the squad, and they are all horrible except Bentaleb who is great for his age and inexplicably not playing at all. Capoue, Paulinho, Dembele, Mason, Stambouli, et. al. are average players at best who would struggle to start for any of the top 10. I haven't seen the fans this angry since the Ramos era, and we were bottom of the league when he was sacked. edit: this may come off as an incoherent tirade, but the more I think about the situation, the more I understand just how right Tim Sherwood was. Yes, his behavior was unprofessional and, at times, childish, but were his points really wrong? The current crop of Tottenham players are mostly spineless cowards who are either overpaid and relaxing with their contract, or trying to use Spurs as a stepping stone to a bigger club. Sherwood was mocked all over after the Daily Mail leaked the transfer target list he gave to Levy (Milner, Barry, and Winston Reid I believe), but all the players he wanted are professionals who play with heart and desire. This squad is completely devoid of leadership. Scouring the bargain bin for an uncoordinated, lackadaisical oaf like Fazio instead of paying up for a defender who would run through a brick wall for his club like Shawcross is exactly what's wrong with the Levy/ENIC era. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On November 10 2014 13:34 city42 wrote: Sorry, couldn't disagree more. The Spurs XI vs. Stoke was the worst I've seen in at least 7 years. The problem with the club is the ownership of Lewis + Teflon Dan Levy, whose expectation of top 4 on a shoestring budget is outlandish and comical. Dead last in net spend over the last 5 years by a wide margin, wage bill significantly below other top 4 hopefuls, and a ridiculous turnover of players which makes continuity impossible for any manager. There are about 38 midfielders in the squad, and they are all horrible except Bentaleb who is great for his age and inexplicably not playing at all. Capoue, Paulinho, Dembele, Mason, Stambouli, et. al. are average players at best who would struggle to start for any of the top 10. I haven't seen the fans this angry since the Ramos era, and we were bottom of the league when he was sacked. I think they have the players to be competing for top 4 at this point in time. Everyone in the PL save for Chelsea and Southampton are shitting the bed. Any team could make a push if they were on some form. I think Erikson, Lamella, Soldado, Adebayor (harhar), Chadli, Mason, Kane, etc. make a really solid team. No reason for that team to be so terrible. Clearly the team is not adjusting to Pochettino right now. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On November 10 2014 08:09 Mensol wrote: Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United or Spurs? i dont know who is the worst. dortmund. | ||
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city42
1656 Posts
On November 10 2014 13:50 Pantagruel wrote: I think they have the players to be competing for top 4 at this point in time. Everyone in the PL save for Chelsea and Southampton are shitting the bed. Any team could make a push if they were on some form. I think Erikson, Lamella, Soldado, Adebayor (harhar), Chadli, Mason, Kane, etc. make a really solid team. No reason for that team to be so terrible. Clearly the team is not adjusting to Pochettino right now. I completely disagree with your assessment of those players. Mason was playing, and not particularly excelling, in League One six months ago. Lamela has been anonymous in the Premier League except for the game against QPR featuring Glenn Hoddle's 3-5-2 defensive masterclass. Soldado has 2 career non-penalty goals in the Premier League, and Adebayor is in Adebayor mode again. Eriksen's free kicks are majestic, but he is a lightweight and seemingly can't adapt to a pressing game (or he just can't be bothered). Chadli's performances haven't been great but he knows where the back of the net is, so credit where it's due. The only player I'd be disappointed to lose out of your list is Kane. Out of the whole squad, Kane and Lloris and maybe Bentaleb at a push. I wouldn't shed a tear if half the squad was sold in January. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
I don't think the squad is top 4 material, but it's better then what has been shown, and Pochettino has not covered himself in glory here. You think the players themselves are responsible. It could be. Regardless, there is only 1 constant, the top. Players have come and gone, managers have come and gone, but Levy remains. What more needs to be said? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On November 10 2014 08:09 Mensol wrote: Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United or Spurs? i dont know who is the worst. City, you cant spend that much money and fail that misserably at champions league | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On November 10 2014 19:19 Faruko wrote: City, you cant spend that much money and fail that misserably at champions league And currently in the league xD | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
The door should be wide open for Everton to finally make the Champions League this year with all the other teams struggling but they are just not picking up the points and taking the opportunity either. I suspect Man United will make top 4 this year and LVG will eventually manage to paper over the cracks at the back. Creating chances and scoring goals is by far the harder task and United won’t struggle there. I also think Arsenal will make top 4 for pretty similar reasons they have the power up front and they just need a bit more defensive organisation. (Neither of those teams will make a title bid though) I have no idea what’s going on at Man City but at some point they will realise that they are actually one of the best teams in the league and get their shit together. But how many points ahead of them will Chelsea be by then? I still go with Chelsea, City, Arsenal and United to make top 4. Southampton have a real shot of getting in there though if they keep doing what they are doing. Liverpool and Spurs seem dead in the water and Everton have such a good chance if they can just consistently win. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28917 Posts
On November 10 2014 15:46 Pantagruel wrote: The vast majority of that tottenham squad has been successful elsewhere. You can bay about how terrible they are but I think it's not the correct assessment. I think to some degree the coaching has been poor, but largely it's the management who has hampered the football of that team time and time again. I guess we agree in a way then, because it all boils down to Levy. I don't think the squad is top 4 material, but it's better then what has been shown, and Pochettino has not covered himself in glory here. You think the players themselves are responsible. It could be. Regardless, there is only 1 constant, the top. Players have come and gone, managers have come and gone, but Levy remains. What more needs to be said? The past 5 seasons Tottenham has placed 4th, 5th, 4th, 6th, 5th how are you unhappy with this? You've been the one team most consistently pushing towards top 4, without the history or the money of the top 4. For me as a Newcastle fan, Tottenham has looked like the number one inspiration for like, how well Newcastle can possibly be expected to do, in the sense that you are consistently getting to play in the EL. (Newcastle in the same time period was: relegated, 12th, 5th, 16th, 10th.) Basically I don't even understand what you guys are unhappy with. I understand what Arsenal fans are complaining about, because they went from winning trophies to not winning trophies. But Tottenham's past 5 seasons equates to the best 5 season span they've had since the premier league started.. (The 5 seasons before that (2008/9 - 2004/5), they had: 8th, 11th, 5th, 5th, 9th. The 5 before that, (2003/4 - 1999/2000) 14th, 10th, 9th, 12th, 10th. The 7 before that, (1998/9 - 1992/3) 11th, 14th, 10th, 8th, 7th, 15th, 8th) Really, for you guys to complain about the leadership on the top, at this moment in time, it just makes no sense to me, especially seeing as how your net spending is very low (which I assume translates to having a reasonably healthy economy?) | ||
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