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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 14:05:02
May 07 2015 13:10 GMT
#2161
why not? he coaches them to tons of 1 goal wins that only happen because price stands on his head for 40 shots a night. part is roster construction but they get outshot with regularity.

speaking of pissing away possession, what the fuck was with the Rangers and those dumps all game. I get mixing it up esp in the face of a trap but the Rangers were doing that even when they had clear lanes unless it was Hagelin or maybe Kreider carrying the line.

also once again the goaltending was fantastic in this game.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
May 07 2015 15:41 GMT
#2162
On May 07 2015 22:10 QuanticHawk wrote:
why not? he coaches them to tons of 1 goal wins that only happen because price stands on his head for 40 shots a night. part is roster construction but they get outshot with regularity.

speaking of pissing away possession, what the fuck was with the Rangers and those dumps all game. I get mixing it up esp in the face of a trap but the Rangers were doing that even when they had clear lanes unless it was Hagelin or maybe Kreider carrying the line.

also once again the goaltending was fantastic in this game.


For the most part it's the roster. How many players on their roster are elite scorers? How many bounces, chances, posts have the Habs hit? Quite a few. The Habs get the job done by committee and they have been pretty solid. The 0-3 is a bad indicator of that.

If you were the coach Hawk what would you change in terms of their system to generate more chances. MT is a good coach and I have no problem with how he's addressed the media or his team for that matter.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-07 18:17:03
May 07 2015 18:03 GMT
#2163
http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/5/5/8550015/montreal-canadiens-nhl-playoffs-2015-lightning-series-round-two-analysis

this more or less outlines my thoughts on how they play and why it's so predictable. basically the canadiens preferred method of zone entry is to carry and quickly put it on from the outside, hopping that it's deflected, screened, or the goalie coughs up a rebound to the crashing forward. this is a) low percentage and b) means you quickly give up the puck for a counter attack more often than not c) it's easily defendable as outlined in the article. If they don't do that the #2 option tends to be dump and chase, which is another playstyle that tends to concede possession. Plus both of these styles of play are very susceptible to counter attacks, where as working the puck around in the zone isn't so much as long as you don't cough it up at the blue line.

obviously the dump and garbage goals have a place in hockey, every teams use it at times just like everyone uses the trap at certain times. but as evidenced by the team stats with Therrien at the helm, his teams have always relied on this style of play to the point where it's a detriment. It's inefficient and puts far more stress on the defense and goalie than necessary. Can it win you games at times? Obviously. But against fast and deep offensive teams like TBL allowing them to have the puck 65% of the game

as I mentioned, I do think part of the issue is roster construction, esp in the bottom six. Virtually all the good teams run very good scoring thirds. Meanwhile, the Habs traded their potentially good scoring forward for yet another plugger. But the top six is not great but certainly good enough to do things a little bit more creative than what's outlined above. That's my point. And especially with guys like PK and Markov, they've got excellent blue line support to do more creative stuff. There's no reason the top two lines can't play with thep uck more the way teams like Chicago and Minny have been doing this post season. The skill is there, and doing so will lead to better opportunities and less time in their own end.

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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
May 07 2015 19:45 GMT
#2164
I hope the Habs lose because they and their fans suck donkey genitalia.

- Bitter Bruins fan
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Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
May 08 2015 02:59 GMT
#2165
Well we didn't get swept, think we used all our offense for the rest of the series though.
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 14:31:56
May 08 2015 03:32 GMT
#2166
That slow mo of Rozsivals ankle is brutal

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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
May 08 2015 15:18 GMT
#2167
ouuuuchhhh

re: Habs chat from the previous page, more stuff about why I think Therrien's a boner whose moves actively hurt the team beyond having to deal with the meh bottom roster he has.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/breaking-down-film/2015/5/7/8564513/parenteau-2015-montreal-tampa-playoffs-game-3-analysis-lazy-efficient

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/4/26/8497877/pierre-alexandre-parenteau-needs-to-return-to-the-lineup-habs-playoffs-roster-offense-powerplay

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/3/10/8176329/pa-parenteau-healthy-scratch-michel-therrien

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Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8845 Posts
May 08 2015 15:19 GMT
#2168
On May 05 2015 09:43 Jer99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 08:56 Flaccid wrote:
Taylor Hall is doing quite fine at the Worlds. Time to trade for Matt Duchene...

You'd win the lottery every single week for the rest of your life before that trade would happen


Taylor Hall is doing quite find at the Worlds. Time to trade for Sidney Crosby?...
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
May 08 2015 16:04 GMT
#2169
On May 09 2015 00:18 QuanticHawk wrote:
ouuuuchhhh

re: Habs chat from the previous page, more stuff about why I think Therrien's a boner whose moves actively hurt the team beyond having to deal with the meh bottom roster he has.

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/breaking-down-film/2015/5/7/8564513/parenteau-2015-montreal-tampa-playoffs-game-3-analysis-lazy-efficient

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/4/26/8497877/pierre-alexandre-parenteau-needs-to-return-to-the-lineup-habs-playoffs-roster-offense-powerplay

http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/3/10/8176329/pa-parenteau-healthy-scratch-michel-therrien


Parenteau has replaced Briere in Therrien's doghouse since they have been traded.
I wouldnt set my hopes too high about him staying in the line up.

Plus Therrien is a bum. He likes gritty guys who have character... i.e. not what Parenteau brings to the table...
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
May 08 2015 16:12 GMT
#2170
THERRIEN NOT SOFF

again, part's due to their bottom six being all shitty, but I also think it's also kind of shitty because Therrien loves guys like DPS and Prust. PA's a top 6 guy playing on a checking third when he's actually in the line up, and then people wonder why he's not putting up more points when Prust is trying to punch in Parenteau's one-timers.
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Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
May 08 2015 17:29 GMT
#2171
well he is a redundant player on mtl's roster; there are other smurfs who are already better than him on the top 6...
Also Parenteau is the kind of guy that got lucky to play with Tavares and earn a large contract because of that (imo)
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 20:34:57
May 08 2015 20:34 GMT
#2172
Over under on the Habs not winning a Stanley cup for a period of 39.5 years? It's been 22 so far once they get knocked out, so do you think they'll go another 18 years or less?
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LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
May 09 2015 03:33 GMT
#2173
On May 07 2015 22:10 QuanticHawk wrote:
why not? he coaches them to tons of 1 goal wins that only happen because price stands on his head for 40 shots a night. part is roster construction but they get outshot with regularity.

speaking of pissing away possession, what the fuck was with the Rangers and those dumps all game. I get mixing it up esp in the face of a trap but the Rangers were doing that even when they had clear lanes unless it was Hagelin or maybe Kreider carrying the line.

also once again the goaltending was fantastic in this game.


that's what the Rangers do. passing ad nauseum. it worked really well in the regular season, 3rd most goals for all year, but in the playoffs when there's less space on the ice it feels like John Tortorella is coaching them again. glad they managed to push it to game 6 but they're not going to keep winning with 18 goals in 10 games.
:-)
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
May 09 2015 14:44 GMT
#2174
the caps did play to hold the blue line and then collapse out front a ton more this game but goddamn if it doesnt look like they cant score for shit
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8158 Posts
May 10 2015 01:59 GMT
#2175
Decent game in the habs/Tampa, it felt like the habs had more hustle and will to win, which in turn gave them the W
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LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
May 10 2015 03:42 GMT
#2176
On May 09 2015 23:44 QuanticHawk wrote:
the caps did play to hold the blue line and then collapse out front a ton more this game but goddamn if it doesnt look like they cant score for shit


If they can make some of those 13 shots on goal in the first ten minutes get into the net, and play with a lead, they can win game 6 and King Henry doesn't lose game 7s, but if they're in another drag out, one goal game, I don't see them winning in Washington.
:-)
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6174 Posts
May 10 2015 12:23 GMT
#2177
Still alive woohoo

1 more win on the road and we got it !
n_n
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-11 00:04:20
May 11 2015 00:04 GMT
#2178
20 SOG in one period for Rangers, 37 SOG total, jesus fuck

Kreider scores twice, one with 0.3 seconds left

THIS IS HOCKEY

GO RANGERS GOOOOO
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
May 11 2015 01:59 GMT
#2179
omg my heart... YEAHHHH RANGERS
There is no one like you in the universe.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32080 Posts
May 11 2015 02:00 GMT
#2180
they had 8 after ahhhhhh this team loves to play so conservative with a lead it's maddening

i would have lost my shit had they let the game get tied off that phantom delay of game
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