EPTSeems like they just want to over do everything related to drugs because its such a problem/taboo.
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
Seems like they just want to over do everything related to drugs because its such a problem/taboo. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 24 2014 09:58 Slaughter wrote: I'd take the word of the IIHF's chief medical officer who says its Bullshit. That study you linked also fails to really convince me that the substance should be banned (the NHL for instance does not ban it). I also found a MS thesis that studied runners in the NCAA in 2011 that found that it did not improve performance. http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2115&context=etd Seems like they just want to over do everything related to drugs because its such a problem/taboo. Okay, but Backstrom still knew (or should have known) it was illegal. Is going 1500m 2.1% faster a big deal in hockey? Not really... But why the hell was he taking 5 times the reccomended does of an allergy medicine, and why the hell should he get away with what is according to the rules cheating? Does it suck for the Swedish team? Sure. But its not like Backstrom is some victim. Its like if I drink alcohol then get pulled over in a check stop. Even if I just barely pass the legal limit, and even if I can proive it has no hindrance on my driving ability, it is still illegal and I'd lose my licence, my car, and probably do jail time. In the Olympics, you lose your chance to compete. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 24 2014 09:58 Slaughter wrote: I'd take the word of the IIHF's chief medical officer who says its Bullshit. That study you linked also fails to really convince me that the substance should be banned (the NHL for instance does not ban it). I also found a MS thesis that studied runners in the NCAA in 2011 that found that it did not improve performance. http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2115&context=etd Seems like they just want to over do everything related to drugs because its such a problem/taboo. Regardless of whether it improves performance as a hockey player or not, it improves performance for a lot of olympic athletes. The Olympics has one set list of Banned substances. Psuedo has huge effects on Track and long distance skiing events, therefor it is illegal. Those are the rules, regardless of the sport you are participating in. Morphine in the 3rd man would have no effect on a Bobsled teams performance, but they would still be kicked out of play. Every other player in the tournament followed the rules. Backstrom did not. Backstrom is not the Victim here. If he legitimately did not know the rules, then he should be ashamed because its in the waiver he has to sign in order to compete, and is thus even worse. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On February 24 2014 10:57 iCanada wrote: Okay, but Backstrom still knew (or should have known) it was illegal. Is going 1500m 2.1% faster a big deal in hockey? Not really... But why the hell was he taking 5 times the reccomended does of an allergy medicine, and why the hell should he get away with what is according to the rules cheating? Does it suck for the Swedish team? Sure. But its not like Backstrom is some victim. Its like if I drink alcohol then get pulled over in a check stop. Even if I just barely pass the legal limit, and even if I can proive it has no hindrance on my driving ability, it is still illegal and I'd lose my licence, my car, and probably do jail time. In the Olympics, you lose your chance to compete. One single Zyrtec-d 12h release tablet contains 120 mg of pseudoephedrine hydrochloride. That is hardly 5 times the dosage. Source | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 24 2014 11:35 Orcasgt24 wrote: One single Zyrtec-d 12h release tablet contains 120 mg of pseudoephedrine hydrochloride. That is hardly 5 times the dosage. Source Yes, but that 120 mg goes into his 5.7+ Litres of blood. Which gives you about 21 micrograms per mililitre.... which is a tenth of what Backstrom had in his system. Which is also completely disregarding the halflife of Pseudo inside the human body... | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On February 24 2014 11:40 iCanada wrote: Yes, but that 120 mg goes into his 5.7+ Litres of blood. Which gives you about 21 micrograms per mililitre.... which is a tenth of what Backstrom had in his system. Which is also completely disregarding the halflife of Pseudo inside the human body... I am having an incredibly hard time Googling Backstroms test results and the IOC testing procedures, specifically how much blood they take, exactly how much of the drug they found in the blood sample and if the banned amount they announced is system wide number that is rounded to how much blood its assumed Backstrom has or just in the blood sample. If you know where they have said those totals, leaked or otherwise, please share | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 24 2014 12:44 Orcasgt24 wrote: I am having an incredibly hard time Googling Backstroms test results and the IOC testing procedures, specifically how much blood they take, exactly how much of the drug they found in the blood sample and if the banned amount they announced is system wide number that is rounded to how much blood its assumed Backstrom has or just in the blood sample. If you know where they have said those totals, leaked or otherwise, please share http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/nicklas-backstrom-misses-gold-medal-game-over-use-of-banned-substance--source-135620293.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory http://www.ocregister.com/articles/backstrom-602937-doping-test.html http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=sv&to=en&a=http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/os2014/article18426524.ab http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/nicklas-backstrom-fails-ioc-doping-test-misses-gold-medal-olympic-hockey-game/2014/02/23/fec67726-9cc0-11e3-8112-52fdf646027b_story.html There is 4 seperate sources citing the 190 Micrograms per Millilitre. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
The results showed that Backstrom had a level of around 190 nanograms per milliliter, above the allowable limit of 150 nanograms, Waldeback and Aubrey said. That makes a huge difference. No way he took 10 a day. Im at work so doing the math for what Zyrtec-d has dispersed throughout the blood vs what Backstrom likely has knowing its in nanograms is too much work lol | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 24 2014 14:00 Orcasgt24 wrote: edit 190 nanograms per ml. not micro grams. That makes a huge difference. No way he took 10 a day. Im at work so doing the math for what Zyrtec-d has dispersed throughout the blood vs what Backstrom likely has knowing its in nanograms is too much work lol Thats just the one article, it is Micrograms. A Nanogram is borderline untraceable in the human body in any reasonable test. Celiac food approved by Celiac medical societies has Nanograms per gram of Gluten, for example. 190 nanograms per litre would have no effect whatsoever. The Legal limit is 150 Micrograms per Millilitre. | ||
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Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
Well, anyway, fuck it. He will still play in the NHL since this is kinda bullshit. I feel bad for him since they failed to tell him and the Swedish hockey team until just before the final. | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On February 24 2014 18:53 GolemMadness wrote: Kessel getting the forward of the tournament award is such a joke. Of his 8 points, 6 were in group stage stomps against Slovenia and Slovakia. He gets a second assist against Russia, and his only point in an elimination game was the goal to make it 5-1 against the Czechs. Should have been Selanne. The Finnish Flash got Tourney MVP. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4130 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_ice_hockey I think this is huge and is a great demonstration of skill of those players who can deliver regardless of the rink size. Will re-watch all the semis and the final game when my frustration is completely gone. Congratz! | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
I know, but should have gotten both. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On February 24 2014 19:23 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Hey everyone here, so this is first Canada's Olympic Gold won OUTSIDE of NA since Olso 1952!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_medalists_in_ice_hockey I think this is huge and is a great demonstration of skill of those players who can deliver regardless of the rink size. Will re-watch all the semis and the final game when my frustration is completely gone. Congratz! Yeah, they played incredibly well. Best defensive team I've ever seen play the game. On February 24 2014 18:09 AlternativeEgo wrote: Two pages in the local paper and it's like we didn't even win an Olympic silver, it's all about "the scandal". Sad focus. But while we're on the topic - what is it that he is allergic of? It doesn't say. I dont think his "allergies" are the issue, its the dose really. And its the ignored rules of the tournament. That, and it was a continuous thing; he failed his legally available B-test as well which was 5 days later. The Finns got robbed imo, shouldn't have had to play a medal placement game against a doper. | ||
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Flaccid
8925 Posts
For Quawk when he gets back: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/xMtMJwl.jpg) | ||
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Flaccid
8925 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6185 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
On February 24 2014 23:13 iCanada wrote: The Finns got robbed imo, shouldn't have had to play a medal placement game against a doper. Years back Finland lost their world championship medal because one of our players got caught from doping. It would have been our first hockey medal as well. This was before my time but I still hear older folks talking about it at times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stig_Wetzell Times and rules change I suppose. Anyway I don't think entire teams should be punished from one player fucking up outside the ice, and I'm happy with us destroying USA and picking up that Bronze rather than getting crushed in the final by Canada. | ||
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