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On February 27 2014 07:13 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 07:00 Cloud9157 wrote: If Ricky Rubio could score a consistent 15+ points a game, the T-wolves would be a much better team. He already contributes extremely well in other categories(4.5 rpg 8.5 apg 2.5 spg) but his ppg is awful at 9. The fact of the matter is that you can leave Rubio alone 90% of the time, because 1. he doesn't have a shot 2. he doesnt want to drive the ball, and when he does, he loves to dish it out for a perimeter shot.
The t-wolves don't have that consistent second weapon. Sometimes it's Rubio, sometimes it's Corey Brewer, sometimes Pekovic was having a really good night, and sometimes the bench will pitch in. Love IS that team on the offensive end, and is the only reason why they are anywhere near the playoffs.
I love Rubio as a utility player, but when it comes to the overall picture, he really needs to stop holding himself back. its not just the 9ppg. its the 9ppg at 36% shooting. thats just down right awful
Agree with this. Its not entirely his fault but if he could just score better the T Wolves would be in a MUCH better position.
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Suns without Dragic losing by 25 to the jazz...
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If Tyreke can manage to get that contract with his stats freefalling, some moron will pay ET ~$10m.
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Turner should easily command his QO and more, but not anywhere near max. The FA market is really bad and although he's still young. You guys make him seem like garbage but there aren't too many SFs better than him.
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On February 27 2014 10:03 zulu_nation8 wrote: So after buying out Granger, the Sixers pretty much just traded away Evan Turner, their top pick who's finally developing into a decent player but due to be a FA, for literally nothing. I'm kinda confused, they had to have spent a bit to buy out Granger, but the money won't count against them in the cap. They would've gotten nothing if Turner didn't re-sign. Did Philly know Turner wasn't going to re-sign or they didn't wanna have to match bids or something? Cuz the FA class isn't that great and bottom feeders like Philly probably shouldn't be cutting assets like this. Even if they draft another forward, Turner can just take a smaller role. There's little chance they'll find better value with the money saved unless they had to offer Turner the max or something ridiculous. The 76ers could have kept Turner next year if they wanted to, they just had to make the $8.7 mil qualifying offer and he would be a 76er. But they didn't want to pay him that next year. So they decided to trade him. They were trying to get a first round pick, but no team was giving them one. They would only add salary to next years books if it was a piece they liked, no one was offering any players they liked. So they took Granger's expiring contract and their 2nd round pick. It was that or let him walk for free. Obviously not a great trade for Philly with how low the pick will be, but there wasn't much of a market for Turner.
On February 27 2014 11:37 RowdierBob wrote: Turner won't sniff $10 mill in FA. He's due $8.7 mill next year per his QO and that's way overpriced.
He's barely worth half that IMO.
Eh, not way overpriced. I think $7-8 mil is probably a good deal and I wouldn't be surprised if a team offered him close to $10 if he hits the FA market. Only way he doesn't become a FA is if some team overpays Lance Stephenson. Turner is the Pacers back up plan for Lance.
Turner is a #2/#3 option that was forced into a number one option in Philly and he couldn't handle it. That doesn't mean he's a terrible player.
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What I don't get is why Philly was so intent on cutting him loose, is it some behind the scenes stuff?
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On February 27 2014 13:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: What I don't get is why Philly was so intent on cutting him loose, is it some behind the scenes stuff?
what's the point of keeping him though? he's pretty much peaked on a pretty large contract, the future is MCW + this year's draft.
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That and they're clearly actively trying to not win. As much maligned as Turner is, he's still better than what they're trotting out there now.
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On February 27 2014 13:41 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: What I don't get is why Philly was so intent on cutting him loose, is it some behind the scenes stuff? what's the point of keeping him though? he's pretty much peaked on a pretty large contract, the future is MCW + this year's draft.
He had a breakout year this year and he's still 25. Keeping Turner doesn't conflict with MCW's development. Turner can still be useful even sharing minutes with whoever they draft this year, which will surely be Wiggins or Parker unless they get the #1 pick. It's really bad for a rebuilding team to just let go one of their top assets like this for nothing. Philly will have the cap space to pursue a big time FA next year even if they keep Turner. Now that I look at the 2014 FAs, Turner would easily get more than his QO in the open market.
Philly seems to have this thing where they let go of their assets early when they don't see them being championship pieces or something. With Holiday they made a good trade, but not many projected MCW to be the real deal and they could've easily been without a PG. They let Vucinic go which was a mistake. Trading away Hawes is understandable with Noel coming back and Hawes in his final year. But with Turner, there are honestly not that many players in the league who are versatile and can play the same positions. There's really no reason not to keep him for one more year, even at 8m it wouldn't scare teams. Filling out an NBA roster is pretty hard to do. Everyone can talk about whether this or that guy is overpaid, but the value is determined by the market and if you don't shell out that extra 2-3m a year then you end up with having to sign min players to fill your bench.
For example what happens if Philly doesn't sign anyone above their midlevel this offseason? They tank for another year with an inexperienced starting lineup and a scrub bench and there's no guarantee their 18m+ w/e cap space will be able to attract a star in 2015. And if they decide to spend on someone, who can they realistically attract? Give Avery Bradley 10m? Offer Hayward the max? When on one wants to play for you you have to pay more than other teams. More importantly you have to at least have a plan to win instead of just keep tanking till you hit the jackpot.
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lol rockets. yielding 30 points off 20 turnovers
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On February 27 2014 14:10 zulu_nation8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 13:41 Doraemon wrote:On February 27 2014 13:35 zulu_nation8 wrote: What I don't get is why Philly was so intent on cutting him loose, is it some behind the scenes stuff? what's the point of keeping him though? he's pretty much peaked on a pretty large contract, the future is MCW + this year's draft. He had a breakout year this year and he's still 25. Keeping Turner doesn't conflict with MCW's development. Turner can still be useful even sharing minutes with whoever they draft this year, which will surely be Wiggins or Parker unless they get the #1 pick. It's really bad for a rebuilding team to just let go one of their top assets like this for nothing. Philly will have the cap space to pursue a big time FA next year even if they keep Turner. Now that I look at the 2014 FAs, Turner would easily get more than his QO in the open market. Philly seems to have this thing where they let go of their assets early when they don't see them being championship pieces or something. With Holiday they made a good trade, but not many projected MCW to be the real deal and they could've easily been without a PG. They let Vucinic go which was a mistake. Trading away Hawes is understandable with Noel coming back and Hawes in his final year. But with Turner, there are honestly not that many players in the league who are versatile and can play the same positions. There's really no reason not to keep him for one more year, even at 8m it wouldn't scare teams. Filling out an NBA roster is pretty hard to do. Everyone can talk about whether this or that guy is overpaid, but the value is determined by the market and if you don't shell out that extra 2-3m a year then you end up with having to sign min players to fill your bench. For example what happens if Philly doesn't sign anyone above their midlevel this offseason? They tank for another year with an inexperienced starting lineup and a scrub bench and there's no guarantee their 18m+ w/e cap space will be able to attract a star in 2015. And if they decide to spend on someone, who can they realistically attract? Give Avery Bradley 10m? Offer Hayward the max? When on one wants to play for you you have to pay more than other teams. More importantly you have to at least have a plan to win instead of just keep tanking till you hit the jackpot. Its simple, they don't think he is worth $8.7 million. They know keeping him next year, they still will suck. So why pay him and still suck? Maybe they look to make a lopsided sign and trade this offseason. and then add smaller cheaper pieces.
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On February 27 2014 11:53 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:37 RowdierBob wrote: Turner won't sniff $10 mill in FA. He's due $8.7 mill next year per his QO and that's way overpriced.
He's barely worth half that IMO. derozan is getting 9M a year from memory...if waiters chucked that many shots he'd average 20 a game too. turner gonna get paid, what people are worth hardly ever reflects how much they get paid. bulls really dunno how to tank. and for all the hype the dubs get, they're only like 2 games above 9th (memphis) not watching the game, but why did westbrook take another crunchtime 3? East is too bad to tank, even if we tried we might make the playoffs. That and Thibs hates losing and Noah literally doesn't know how to play less than 100% at all times, like he was even playing D during the ASG
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I hope Philly do pull out a smart move cuz trading for Bynum certainly wasn't.
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On February 27 2014 18:05 zulu_nation8 wrote: I hope Philly do pull out a smart move cuz trading for Bynum certainly wasn't.
at least they have hickie who i would think is a solid GM...
On February 27 2014 17:54 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 11:53 Doraemon wrote:On February 27 2014 11:37 RowdierBob wrote: Turner won't sniff $10 mill in FA. He's due $8.7 mill next year per his QO and that's way overpriced.
He's barely worth half that IMO. derozan is getting 9M a year from memory...if waiters chucked that many shots he'd average 20 a game too. turner gonna get paid, what people are worth hardly ever reflects how much they get paid. bulls really dunno how to tank. and for all the hype the dubs get, they're only like 2 games above 9th (memphis) not watching the game, but why did westbrook take another crunchtime 3? East is too bad to tank, even if we tried we might make the playoffs. That and Thibs hates losing and Noah literally doesn't know how to play less than 100% at all times, like he was even playing D during the ASG
i admire that your team has heart, but my god is it awful to watch on offense.
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As horrible as our offense is we're still to good to not make the playoffs in the East sadly. And our defense is still good.
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On February 27 2014 18:28 DystopiaX wrote: As horrible as our offense is we're still to good to not make the playoffs in the East sadly. And our defense is still good.
yer...the east...lol
here is my team hate list: 1. clippers 2. memphis 3. dubs....just cannot stand those teams....
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Clippers are top 3 in my hate list, but the other two you picked are in my top 5 favs 
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On February 27 2014 18:36 AxionSteel wrote:Clippers are top 3 in my hate list, but the other two you picked are in my top 5 favs 
how about i'll remove memphis if they make the playoffs and beat clippers again ahaha.
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Man, the LA teams just can't seem to avoid being hated
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Don't lie, if Rockets weren't your favorite team they'd be on your hate list. That sure as hell is the case for me. If we had to play against Harden and the fouls he gets called I'd lose my shit.
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