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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13414 Posts
February 26 2014 22:23 GMT
#4061
Isn't this the issue though: Mo was better by virtue of playing with LeBron. Can we say any T Wolves players are better by virtue of playing with Love? I'm not sure.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 26 2014 22:23 GMT
#4062
Granger officially bought out, Clippers front runners to sign him
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--clippers-are-frontrunners-to-land-danny-granger-220910360-nba
www.superbeerbrothers.com
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
February 26 2014 22:30 GMT
#4063
In class now. Will response to Love thread in a bit. Remind me if I don't.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 26 2014 22:31 GMT
#4064
On February 27 2014 07:23 RowdierBob wrote:
Isn't this the issue though: Mo was better by virtue of playing with LeBron. Can we say any T Wolves players are better by virtue of playing with Love? I'm not sure.

I think it could be argued Pekovic wouldn't get as good of looks if Love weren't there.

This season Love hasn't played in three games, they have lost all three. But those three have also been against Miami, OKC and Portland. Pekovic specifically only played in one of those games, the Miami one, which happened to be the worst of the losses. He went for 18 and 12 but only shot 7-18.

Obviously too small of a sample size. But Miami has a weak front court, you would hope without Love that Pekovic would have performed better.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13414 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 23:07:22
February 26 2014 23:05 GMT
#4065
On February 27 2014 07:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:23 RowdierBob wrote:
Isn't this the issue though: Mo was better by virtue oPistonoaying with LeBron. Can we say any T Wolves players are better by virtue of playing with Love? I'm not sure.

I think it could be argued Pekovic wouldn't get as good of looks if Love weren't there.

This season Love hasn't played in three games, they have lost all three. But those three have also been against Miami, OKC and Portland. Pekovic specifically only played in one of those games, the Miami one, which happened to be the worst of the losses. He went for 18 and 12 but only shot 7-18.

Obviously too small of a sample size. But Miami has a weak front court, you would hope without Love that Pekovic would have performed better.


But aren't these separate issues. Love is a great player so taking him out of the team will obv impact on their chances of winning. No chance they can cover his individual production.

But does he make his team mates better? It's an interesting concept because it's somewhat difficult to define. There are obvious examples, LeBron, but others that are tough to say. The same criticism is levelled at Kyrie: great individual but what does he do to elevate performance of team mates?

It is something that exists. MJ said he made a concerted effort to involve his team mates more often, rather than just focusing on his game, after failing to get over the Pistons hurdle. It helped that he had an awesome team but it appears a star's true value is not just in his individual game but his influence on those around him. Does K Love have this level of influence?
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 23:13:58
February 26 2014 23:12 GMT
#4066
For the Williams to Pekovic comparison: http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=pekovni01&y1=2014&p2=willima01&y2=2009

I didn't realize how good of a shooter Williams was. 43% is nothing to sneeze at, in fact, it's extremely good. It's much closer than I previously thought, and I don't know enough about Williams's defense to make an accurate call.

On February 27 2014 07:31 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:23 RowdierBob wrote:
Isn't this the issue though: Mo was better by virtue of playing with LeBron. Can we say any T Wolves players are better by virtue of playing with Love? I'm not sure.

I think it could be argued Pekovic wouldn't get as good of looks if Love weren't there.

This season Love hasn't played in three games, they have lost all three. But those three have also been against Miami, OKC and Portland. Pekovic specifically only played in one of those games, the Miami one, which happened to be the worst of the losses. He went for 18 and 12 but only shot 7-18.

Obviously too small of a sample size. But Miami has a weak front court, you would hope without Love that Pekovic would have performed better.

To be fair, without Love, Pekovic is the only guy who can score with any consistency, unless Kevin Martin from three years ago shows up. I'd expect him to be bottled up by Miami in that situation.

On February 27 2014 08:05 RowdierBob wrote:
It is something that exists. MJ said he made a concerted effort to involve his team mates more often, rather than just focusing on his game, after failing to get over the Pistons hurdle.

It's all The Secret.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
February 26 2014 23:14 GMT
#4067
i honestly think if minni get's a even average FG% point guard they'd do so much better, collison comes to mind. i've seen so many games where the opposing PG just gives rubio 2m spaces and cramps up the paint, you're literally playing 4v5 on offense.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
February 26 2014 23:17 GMT
#4068
On February 27 2014 08:14 Doraemon wrote:
i honestly think if minni get's a even average FG% point guard they'd do so much better, collison comes to mind. i've seen so many games where the opposing PG just gives rubio 2m spaces and cramps up the paint, you're literally playing 4v5 on offense.

I personally believe that's the problem with them. He's just a zero on offense.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
366 Posts
February 26 2014 23:19 GMT
#4069
lebron made mo in cleveland. dude was pretty much his dad.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 01:03:56
February 27 2014 01:03 GMT
#4070
So after buying out Granger, the Sixers pretty much just traded away Evan Turner, their top pick who's finally developing into a decent player but due to be a FA, for literally nothing. I'm kinda confused, they had to have spent a bit to buy out Granger, but the money won't count against them in the cap. They would've gotten nothing if Turner didn't re-sign. Did Philly know Turner wasn't going to re-sign or they didn't wanna have to match bids or something? Cuz the FA class isn't that great and bottom feeders like Philly probably shouldn't be cutting assets like this. Even if they draft another forward, Turner can just take a smaller role. There's little chance they'll find better value with the money saved unless they had to offer Turner the max or something ridiculous.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 27 2014 01:20 GMT
#4071
On February 27 2014 10:03 zulu_nation8 wrote:
So after buying out Granger, the Sixers pretty much just traded away Evan Turner, their top pick who's finally developing into a decent player but due to be a FA, for literally nothing.

He's due to be a FA, won't stay, and they got another 2nd round pick out of it. Seems fine to me.
Yhamm is the god of predictions
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 27 2014 01:35 GMT
#4072
So they knew for sure he wouldn't stay? Seems weird to me. The Pacers 2nd round pick has virtually no value.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 01:42:02
February 27 2014 01:41 GMT
#4073
Absolute last pick in the draft? Kings hit the jackpot on Isaiah Thomas, so it's still possible to get something good.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
February 27 2014 01:45 GMT
#4074
Sure it's possible, but very unlikely.

Turner's going to be an RFA. The 76ers could have had him back if they really wanted him.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 27 2014 01:47 GMT
#4075
yea and that, they could match any offers and it's not like they can get better value for their money elsewhere unless they tank again next year. I'm sure no team's dumb enough to offer Turner 10m let alone the max. No 2015 FAs will come to Philly either if they keep tanking.
AgentW
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States7725 Posts
February 27 2014 01:54 GMT
#4076
I have to disagree with you on that one. There's too many terrible GMs and owners in the league for Evan Turner not to be paid $10M a year.
Who's the bigger scrub, the scrub, or the scrub who loses to him?
tokinho
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States792 Posts
February 27 2014 02:19 GMT
#4077
Fire D'Antoni for being pissed that Gasol is explaining how their team sucks and needs to improve after winning championships and then being part of worst team in NBA.

Sorry D'Antoni. You don't help your bigs. You DON'T understand that run and gun ball doesn't win championships.

Hashtag FIREDANTONI,GOLAKERS.
Smile
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13414 Posts
February 27 2014 02:33 GMT
#4078
6ers didn't rate turner and he had no trade value. They got what they could for him. Helps the tank and gives them a minor asset in a second round pick.

They clearly had no intention to resign him. Pretty obv they're going hard for Wiggins and clearing roster to maxmise his development.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13414 Posts
February 27 2014 02:37 GMT
#4079
Turner won't sniff $10 mill in FA. He's due $8.7 mill next year per his QO and that's way overpriced.

He's barely worth half that IMO.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 03:16:01
February 27 2014 02:53 GMT
#4080
On February 27 2014 11:37 RowdierBob wrote:
Turner won't sniff $10 mill in FA. He's due $8.7 mill next year per his QO and that's way overpriced.

He's barely worth half that IMO.


derozan is getting 9M a year from memory...if waiters chucked that many shots he'd average 20 a game too.

turner gonna get paid, what people are worth hardly ever reflects how much they get paid.

bulls really dunno how to tank. and for all the hype the dubs get, they're only like 2 games above 9th (memphis)

not watching the game, but why did westbrook take another crunchtime 3?
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
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