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On February 22 2014 08:06 jmbthirteen wrote:
LeBron is also bigger and stronger than anyone else attacking the rim. Hell he's stronger than a lot of guys he's meeting at the rim. He's bigger than Ibaka. Of course he is the best at finishing through contact.
LeBron isn't soft, but he flops like no other.
It's possible he gets the Shaq treatment: so big and strong, he doesn't get calls like most because he has a physical advantage. It's hardly fair, but it could be the truth.
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I don't see how Turner isn't a significant upgrade over Granger. Turner was playing at an all-star level at the beginning of the season before going into a huge slump. They both have expiring contracts so this is pretty much a pure upgrade for a useless 2nd round pick.
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Lebron flops like once every 20 games. But when he does, everyone and their moms get all butthurt, their asses clench up, and they can't breathe for two days.
His "flopping" doesn't even approach the likes of Ginobili, Pierce, Paul or Harden.
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On February 22 2014 08:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't see how Turner isn't a significant upgrade over Granger. Turner was playing at an all-star level at the beginning of the season before going into a huge slump. They both have expiring contracts so this is pretty much a pure upgrade for a useless 2nd round pick.
It's a good move by Indy but I just don't expect Turner to make any meaningful contribution on that team. He's a chucker who looks out for himself first and foremost. He was a malcontent on that team before they bottomed out. I still remember him constantly bitching about Iggy taking his playing time.
We'll just have to wait and see. Certainly no harm in Indy trying.
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On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft.
And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game.
Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out.
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On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out.
RU drunk, the ball was going in, or not, before Ibaka's arm got to his face...or he would have gotten the block.
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On February 22 2014 09:25 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out. RU drunk, the ball was going in, or not, before Ibaka's arm got to his face...or he would have gotten the block.
The contact that bloodied his nose happened at the start of the drive. He took 2 steps and lifted off after the contact. The ball was not "going in before Ibaka's arm got to his face."
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Meh, that is not really the kind of thing that instantly dazes you. What dazes you there is the headrush. He wasnt diagnosed with a concussion.
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On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out.
No, I don't find anything fishy about it. I've seen literally hundreds of players keep playing superbly after getting shell shocked or straight concussed (More often in football but, hell, 90s basketball was pretty bad about it too). Athletes, especially elite ones, are very well trained and the muscle memory lets them accomplish things like that.
I just can't possibly get why you think he's trying to pull a "Wills Reed or MJ Flu Game" thing to hype himself up when he fucking left the game and didn't come back.
I also fucking love how Lebron rarely getting injured means that, whenever he does get injured, he's faking it and being a big ol baby. The dude has been unfathomably healthy, especially for his style of play, but the one time a huge guy whacks him in the face on a drive and he goes out of a game gushing up blood like a geyser your first reaction is "what a soft baby."
edit: on the actual topic of live basketball, Tyreke Evans checked in to go 1 of 8 in 10 minutes. Someone please set Dell Demps house on fire for paying him 44 mil over 4 years tia.
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On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out.
I'm not sure you know how a broken nose works.
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On February 22 2014 10:09 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out. I'm not sure you know how a broken nose works.
Please share
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On February 22 2014 09:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out. No, I don't find anything fishy about it. I've seen literally hundreds of players keep playing superbly after getting shell shocked or straight concussed (More often in football but, hell, 90s basketball was pretty bad about it too). Athletes, especially elite ones, are very well trained and the muscle memory lets them accomplish things like that. I just can't possibly get why you think he's trying to pull a "Wills Reed or MJ Flu Game" thing to hype himself up when he fucking left the game and didn't come back. I also fucking love how Lebron rarely getting injured means that, whenever he does get injured, he's faking it and being a big ol baby. The dude has been unfathomably healthy, especially for his style of play, but the one time a huge guy whacks him in the face on a drive and he goes out of a game gushing up blood like a geyser your first reaction is "what a soft baby." edit: on the actual topic of live basketball, Tyreke Evans checked in to go 1 of 8 in 10 minutes. Someone please set Dell Demps house on fire for paying him 44 mil over 4 years tia.
Like I said, it's a pattern of behavior. I'm probably one of the biggest LeBron fans on this site. I watch every Heat game. Ten times a year I see LeBron go down and stay down. I used to say "NOOOOO!! LeBron is hurt!!!!!!! The Heat's playoff hopes are over!!!!" Now I see LeBron go down and stay down and I think "yep, that's just LeBron being LeBron. He will be back by the 4th quarter." Which is why I know he will play in the next Heat game on Sunday.
btw, 95% of the time LeBron develops these mysterious limps or starts wincing it's after an embarrassing turnover. As if to let everyone know "im way too good to make a silly turnover like that, the only reason that happened is because I got hurt on the play as you can tell by my serious wincing and limping." Then 2 plays later the limp is gone. Maybe he is like Wolverine.
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Here is how basically all non-concussion injuries, that aren't like Joe Theismann level bad, work:
1. Injury occurs.
2a. (You have weight on the injured body part) Collapse.
2b. (No weight) Continue as if nothing happened. Bitch at a ref if one is nearby.
3. Someone tells you/asks you if you are injured.
4. Feel pain several seconds, sometimes even minutes later.
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On February 22 2014 10:13 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 10:09 red_ wrote:On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out. I'm not sure you know how a broken nose works. Please share
The short answer is that the volume of blood loss/change of blood pressure, which doesn't occur immediately, is the likely cause of the wooziness experienced. After Lebron fell to the floor his head lost elevation relative to his body which caused the blood to quickly drain, escalating any light headedness he was experiencing.
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On February 22 2014 10:37 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 09:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out. No, I don't find anything fishy about it. I've seen literally hundreds of players keep playing superbly after getting shell shocked or straight concussed (More often in football but, hell, 90s basketball was pretty bad about it too). Athletes, especially elite ones, are very well trained and the muscle memory lets them accomplish things like that. I just can't possibly get why you think he's trying to pull a "Wills Reed or MJ Flu Game" thing to hype himself up when he fucking left the game and didn't come back. I also fucking love how Lebron rarely getting injured means that, whenever he does get injured, he's faking it and being a big ol baby. The dude has been unfathomably healthy, especially for his style of play, but the one time a huge guy whacks him in the face on a drive and he goes out of a game gushing up blood like a geyser your first reaction is "what a soft baby." edit: on the actual topic of live basketball, Tyreke Evans checked in to go 1 of 8 in 10 minutes. Someone please set Dell Demps house on fire for paying him 44 mil over 4 years tia. Like I said, it's a pattern of behavior. I'm probably one of the biggest LeBron fans on this site. I watch every Heat game. Ten times a year I see LeBron go down and stay down. I used to say "NOOOOO!! LeBron is hurt!!!!!!! The Heat's playoff hopes are over!!!!" Now I see LeBron go down and stay down and I think "yep, that's just LeBron being LeBron. He will be back by the 4th quarter." Which is why I know he will play in the next Heat game on Sunday. btw, 95% of the time LeBron develops these mysterious limps or starts wincing it's after an embarrassing turnover. As if to let everyone know "im way too good to make a silly turnover like that, the only reason that happened is because I got hurt on the play as you can tell by my serious wincing and limping." Then 2 plays later the limp is gone. Maybe he is like Wolverine.
Even if you do believe all of this, how the hell does it apply to this situation? He was playing really well and just made an AMAZING play, why would he suddenly need to fake an injury to pass off a mistake or, you know, come back and pretend to be Reed or Jordan when he didn't come back? It makes no sense.
As for the latter point, if you've never tweaked your ankle then ran it off I don't know what to tell you. You'll limp for a couple minutes before things right themselves. Lebron and basically every player does it after bad and good plays alike, though it happens with bad plays more often because bad plays are more often awkward plays where things get tangled up or you take a funky step trying to catch up to a turnover or battle for a ball. Lebron might overplay when bad stuff happens to him(and that's a big might, I don't look kindly on anyone pretending they know how professional athletes feel when they get hurt), excluding flops which are obviously faking, but trying to be Reed/Jordan? Just sounds ridiculous to me.
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Tyreke Evans is like Corey Maggette or old Monta Ellis. Takes too many shots, goes for 30 occasionally, doesn't help or sometimes even hurts his team.
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On February 22 2014 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 10:37 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 09:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out. No, I don't find anything fishy about it. I've seen literally hundreds of players keep playing superbly after getting shell shocked or straight concussed (More often in football but, hell, 90s basketball was pretty bad about it too). Athletes, especially elite ones, are very well trained and the muscle memory lets them accomplish things like that. I just can't possibly get why you think he's trying to pull a "Wills Reed or MJ Flu Game" thing to hype himself up when he fucking left the game and didn't come back. I also fucking love how Lebron rarely getting injured means that, whenever he does get injured, he's faking it and being a big ol baby. The dude has been unfathomably healthy, especially for his style of play, but the one time a huge guy whacks him in the face on a drive and he goes out of a game gushing up blood like a geyser your first reaction is "what a soft baby." edit: on the actual topic of live basketball, Tyreke Evans checked in to go 1 of 8 in 10 minutes. Someone please set Dell Demps house on fire for paying him 44 mil over 4 years tia. Like I said, it's a pattern of behavior. I'm probably one of the biggest LeBron fans on this site. I watch every Heat game. Ten times a year I see LeBron go down and stay down. I used to say "NOOOOO!! LeBron is hurt!!!!!!! The Heat's playoff hopes are over!!!!" Now I see LeBron go down and stay down and I think "yep, that's just LeBron being LeBron. He will be back by the 4th quarter." Which is why I know he will play in the next Heat game on Sunday. btw, 95% of the time LeBron develops these mysterious limps or starts wincing it's after an embarrassing turnover. As if to let everyone know "im way too good to make a silly turnover like that, the only reason that happened is because I got hurt on the play as you can tell by my serious wincing and limping." Then 2 plays later the limp is gone. Maybe he is like Wolverine. Even if you do believe all of this, how the hell does it apply to this situation? He was playing really well and just made an AMAZING play, why would he suddenly need to fake an injury to pass off a mistake or, you know, come back and pretend to be Reed or Jordan when he didn't come back? It makes no sense. As for the latter point, if you've never tweaked your ankle then ran it off I don't know what to tell you. You'll limp for a couple minutes before things right themselves. Lebron and basically every player does it after bad and good plays alike, though it happens with bad plays more often because bad plays are more often awkward plays where things get tangled up or you take a funky step trying to catch up to a turnover or battle for a ball. Lebron might overplay when bad stuff happens to him(and that's a big might, I don't look kindly on anyone pretending they know how professional athletes feel when they get hurt), excluding flops which are obviously faking, but trying to be Reed/Jordan? Just sounds ridiculous to me.
I've tweaked my ankle plenty of times and walked it off. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt most of the time. I'm just saying I've never seen someone get "hurt" so many times without ever missing a game. Kobe broke his nose in the all-star game and he still made his free throws.
To LeBron's credit he did roll his ankle really badly in a game 2-3 weeks ago and he didn't play it up like I thought he would.
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On February 22 2014 11:40 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 10:37 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 09:53 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 09:21 BlackJack wrote:On February 22 2014 07:34 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 22 2014 02:32 BlackJack wrote:On February 21 2014 17:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:On February 21 2014 16:34 BlackJack wrote:
As someone that watches Heat games religiously I can attest that LeBron has a knack for playing up his injuries in order to get praised for "playing while hurt." Everyone wants to get those Willis Reed or MJ flu-game props. The amount of time he spends writhing around the floor in pain is too high for the amount of game time he misses. Kobe has season ending injuries and hardly winces.
Or he's just soft. That's my other theory. I'm pretty sure it's one of the 2. I really hope one day you run full steam into a man as big and strong as Ibaka swatting at your nose just to see how you respond. On that day I will call you soft. As I said in my post, I'm basing my opinion on a pattern of behavior over several years, not one incident. Then you're got some terrible timing because bringing this up after he gets clocked in the face and can't keep his legs under him afterwards isn't really silly. I also think you're bonkers. The guy takes more punishment going to the hoop than basically any other player and is the best at finishing through contact, yet he's somehow soft. Flopping's a dumb thing that lots of people have done for longer than Lebron's been alive but gamesmanship isn't really being soft. And you don't find anything fishy about the fact that he can't keep his legs under him and yet he finished the play? It takes a fraction of a second for your brain to smash into your skull hard enough to cause neurological symptoms. If that blow was as devastating as everyone is making it out to be then his knees would have buckled, instead of him having the lift to posterize one of the best shot blockers in the game. Clearly the guy takes a shit ton of punishment. I'm not saying he is faking his injuries. I'm saying he plays them up. Sure he had cramps in the playoffs last year and sure he rolls his ankle every now and again, but the guy just doesn't miss enough game time to be wincing and clutching body parts the way he does week in and week out. No, I don't find anything fishy about it. I've seen literally hundreds of players keep playing superbly after getting shell shocked or straight concussed (More often in football but, hell, 90s basketball was pretty bad about it too). Athletes, especially elite ones, are very well trained and the muscle memory lets them accomplish things like that. I just can't possibly get why you think he's trying to pull a "Wills Reed or MJ Flu Game" thing to hype himself up when he fucking left the game and didn't come back. I also fucking love how Lebron rarely getting injured means that, whenever he does get injured, he's faking it and being a big ol baby. The dude has been unfathomably healthy, especially for his style of play, but the one time a huge guy whacks him in the face on a drive and he goes out of a game gushing up blood like a geyser your first reaction is "what a soft baby." edit: on the actual topic of live basketball, Tyreke Evans checked in to go 1 of 8 in 10 minutes. Someone please set Dell Demps house on fire for paying him 44 mil over 4 years tia. Like I said, it's a pattern of behavior. I'm probably one of the biggest LeBron fans on this site. I watch every Heat game. Ten times a year I see LeBron go down and stay down. I used to say "NOOOOO!! LeBron is hurt!!!!!!! The Heat's playoff hopes are over!!!!" Now I see LeBron go down and stay down and I think "yep, that's just LeBron being LeBron. He will be back by the 4th quarter." Which is why I know he will play in the next Heat game on Sunday. btw, 95% of the time LeBron develops these mysterious limps or starts wincing it's after an embarrassing turnover. As if to let everyone know "im way too good to make a silly turnover like that, the only reason that happened is because I got hurt on the play as you can tell by my serious wincing and limping." Then 2 plays later the limp is gone. Maybe he is like Wolverine. Even if you do believe all of this, how the hell does it apply to this situation? He was playing really well and just made an AMAZING play, why would he suddenly need to fake an injury to pass off a mistake or, you know, come back and pretend to be Reed or Jordan when he didn't come back? It makes no sense. As for the latter point, if you've never tweaked your ankle then ran it off I don't know what to tell you. You'll limp for a couple minutes before things right themselves. Lebron and basically every player does it after bad and good plays alike, though it happens with bad plays more often because bad plays are more often awkward plays where things get tangled up or you take a funky step trying to catch up to a turnover or battle for a ball. Lebron might overplay when bad stuff happens to him(and that's a big might, I don't look kindly on anyone pretending they know how professional athletes feel when they get hurt), excluding flops which are obviously faking, but trying to be Reed/Jordan? Just sounds ridiculous to me. I've tweaked my ankle plenty of times and walked it off. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt most of the time. I'm just saying I've never seen someone get "hurt" so many times without ever missing a game. Kobe broke his nose in the all-star game and he still made his free throws. To LeBron's credit he did roll his ankle really badly in a game 2-3 weeks ago and he didn't play it up like I thought he would.
I don't remember Kobe falling to the ground on the play, which would be a significant factor in maintaining one's composure after a broken nose. If you can stay upright the bleeding shouldn't be severe, more like a regular nosebleed with some pain barring a significant facial fracture.
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Its not just being down, some people don't even know they are injured till they see the blood. Especially athletes. Ive won a wrestling match where I was bleeding profusely out of my nose for a significant amount of time, but because the ref didn't see (he was looking at the other kid's shoulders) and I didn't even know it was probably 20, 25 seconds before we knew. The other kids' coach was pissed because the match should have been stopped because of the blood.
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Refs really want clips to win this won
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