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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On June 11 2014 18:32 RvB wrote: We'll probably get a corrupt replacement and nothing will actually change. Yea pretty much. I hate Blatter as much as anybody but i think people make it to easy on themselves by pointing only at him. FIFA is not a company, it is a registered association according to swiss law which means it is (kinda) non profit, doesn't pay taxes at all if you are smart and is not bound to any business laws. It is also no fat cat in a skyscraper according to Wikipedia it has 320 employees and the HQ building looks like this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://1.1.1.5/bmi/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Zurique_fifa.jpg) fuck this since i updated OSX everything is screwed : http://1.1.1.5/bmi/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Zurique_fifa.jpg The continental/country associations work in a similar way. So you have a non-profit organization without any government or law regulation, with a lot of money that is begged by governments that they can give them even more money that they can host their tournament that cost the country an even more shitload of money with a contract that would never pass any court if this would be a real business deal. The dude who is able to make this thing 100% not corrupt should be appointed president, pope and batman of the planet because he really gets shit done. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
New person in charge, just like in prime ministers/presidents around the world bring in new approach and different opinions. That is the best way to tackle the way FIFA is right NOW. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
Mircea Lucescu is favorite to be next Gala manager. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On June 11 2014 19:33 Pandemona wrote: Yeah, i know that. FIFA organization is bad from top to bottom. Blatter knows this but doesn't admit to it and isn't addressing the problem. Thats why people want him out, he is saying that English press are being Racist in their campaign to get Qatar stripped of the 2022 World Cup? After we printed an 11page newspaper spread on corrupt allegations with evidence backing it up. New person in charge, just like in prime ministers/presidents around the world bring in new approach and different opinions. That is the best way to tackle the way FIFA is right NOW. Honestly i disagree. I don't see that FIFA will change on its own no matter what because why should they? From their perspective they make a lot of money, don't have to deal with stuff like taxes, shareholders or democracy, get a lot of power without having anything real and, as far as we know, they are doing nothing really illegal. Shit people bribe them that they are allowed to buy their product. They aren't tricking anybody. If you do a day of research you will find a lot of evidence that hosting a WC (or any olympics btw.) is a bad business for the country and the locals (I think germany 06 and 2010 winter games were kinda ok financially looking but not sure). Brazil, Russia and Qatar(i have a tough time even calling that a country with 80% of its people being foreigners) has a democratic elected government (yea... kinda... ) that choose to spend 8 billion dollar on a 4 week tournament. Thats not FIFAs fault. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
It is FIFAs fault for not looking into the bid from Qatar to see that they are spending that kind of money etcetc. They don't care anyway as Qatar can afford it as they are an oil rich nation, just like if anyone like Abu Dhabi where to host it. FIFA will change if the pressure is put on, hell his vice president and high ranking officials have come out and said there "must" b a re vote if the allegations are true etcetc, he has refused to comment. And now on the eve of the world cup he has told African officials that he thinks English media are Racist LOL. The top of the organization, Mr Blatter still has the final say on most things, he had the final say or the call to bring a vote to goal line technology, it took a world cup in where the ball went over the line by miles before he thought about asking his council about it. UEFA still don't even want to use it, even though the technology is cheap to implement. The reason England felt so harshly treated by FIFA is because everyone in the organization lied point blank to the future King of England (and commonwealth). Beckham was getting promised votes from everyone he was speaking to, they thought they were a shoe in to win the vote. Then Blatter says Russia won xD Only way to begin or to even contemplate a change in an Organization as corrupt as FIFA is to start at the top and move down. You can say what you want at the structure of FIFA as a business that still has nothing to do with bribery. If it is a non profit organization that doesn't pay tax. The people who work as heads of FA in South Africa and Qatar do not get paid a penny from FIFA they just get free trips to headquarters for meetings. The South African FA pay their people and FIFA pay its people. The other corrupt people alongside Blatter are the heads of the federations around the world. That again has nothing to do with FIFA as a business model? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Kalas to Cologne for the season. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ivan Rakitic has admitted that joining Barcelona is a dream come true after the Catalan club reached an agreement with Sevilla to sign their captain. | ||
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funkie
Venezuela9377 Posts
On June 11 2014 22:45 Pandemona wrote: Ivan Rakitic has admitted that joining Barcelona is a dream come true after the Catalan club reached an agreement with Sevilla to sign their captain. YES! | ||
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3point14
Germany890 Posts
I guess if they can get away with all the bullshit they pull, then why shouldnt they do it? mix in some fun, while you are grinding your pitchforks ^^ | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
 . Also you mentioned the rule council thing... yea we shouldn't go there  .I have a bit of a hard time to take England serious here. You have to admit that you kinda like that "isolationist" thinking that England deserves a special treatment because of... reasons. I mean ask your government about the EU and weird stuff comes out. Even you, who seems to be a smart and nice guy mention the British commonwealth like it is/was a good thing were the rest of the planet mostly disagrees. So it is not surprising that the english press is a bit chippy on that. Also you are still technically a monarchy what is super weird but i am sorry i am going off topic here. So i think you are not wrong but thinking FIFA will change itself by any means is. Changing it works the only way as ending slavery or saving HoTS: Stop buying their stuff. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 11 2014 22:56 Micro_Jackson wrote: sheesh i was a bit too fast and overhead the full stop "future King of England Beckham" and was like wtf! . Also you mentioned the rule council thing... yea we shouldn't go there .I have a bit of a hard time to take England serious here. You have to admit that you kinda like that "isolationist" thinking that England deserves a special treatment because of... reasons. I mean ask your government about the EU and weird stuff comes out. Even you, who seems to be a smart and nice guy mention the British commonwealth like it is/was a good thing were the rest of the planet mostly disagrees. So it is not surprising that the english press is a bit chippy on that. Also you are still technically a monarchy what is super weird but i am sorry i am going off topic here. So i think you are not wrong but thinking FIFA will change itself by any means is. Changing it works the only way as ending slavery or saving HoTS: Stop buying their stuff. Hmmm, i only mention the commonwealth for that bad mouthing or lying to someone of such importance to their face is what hurt most people in our country and would to me too. Why promise something you are blatantly not going to do. I don't think we deserve special treatment and i don't want it. But i was just saying that our bid was super good and everyone was telling our party that they will vote for us and we are going to win the bid. Then we didn't and all hell breaks loose. We were sour grapes and i'll admit it when we lost that bid and still are, however that doesn't mean that when our newspaper brings to like a staggering documentation of bribes and corruption allegations to FIFA that it is all because we are "racist" towards Qatar and FIFA. He could of just said we were bitter that we didn't win and are finding holes in their bid but instead he starts a whole new rant. He clearly has lost it and it is a good job FIFA does not hold any substantial power in the world or who knows what would happen. It can only change if we keep pressuring it though, i know your saying it wont be a quick fix and i agree it wont be, but if you had someone at the top who at least says they will address these situations is better than the guy who just sweeps EVERYTHING under the carpet. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18775 Posts
On June 11 2014 22:45 Pandemona wrote: Ivan Rakitic has admitted that joining Barcelona is a dream come true after the Catalan club reached an agreement with Sevilla to sign their captain. he doesnt fit into the style of barca at all does he? | ||
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warding
Portugal2397 Posts
The English FA and those of other European countries can and perhaps should pressure and question the power and the way things are done. When European clubs put pressure on UEFA by threatening to create a superleague,UEFA readily adapted it's Champions' Cup to better suit the interests of its most powerful clubs. A mass of non-corrupt football associations (oxymoron?) from large countries could have the same bargaining power vs FIFA. | ||
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haitike
Spain2745 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 11 2014 23:44 warding wrote: The President of FIFA (who makes over 2 million dollars a year) is voted on by the 209 associations at the FIFA congress. So FIFA isn't impermeable and its elected body does have to respond to its member associations. The problem is that a ton of money passes through FIFA and a lot of associations are corruptible. The Vanuatu football association has the same voting weight as Germany and I bet that its president is one rich bastard at this point. The governance of the federation is broken, but I don't think it's unfixable. The English FA and those of other European countries can and perhaps should pressure and question the power and the way things are done. When European clubs put pressure on UEFA by threatening to create a superleague,UEFA readily adapted it's Champions' Cup to better suit the interests of its most powerful clubs. A mass of non-corrupt football associations (oxymoron?) from large countries could have the same bargaining power vs FIFA. Yeah you bring up a good point, if it continues to be run the way it is, there is no question that the European nations might just vote to stay away from FIFA full stop and give UEFA supreme power. Which again they can dictate to how that is run with threats lol. It is all silly really and all a big gigantic circle BUT the main thing is we need #CHANGE! We need an Obama elected into FIFA presidency  | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6326 Posts
On June 11 2014 23:52 Pandemona wrote: Yeah you bring up a good point, if it continues to be run the way it is, there is no question that the European nations might just vote to stay away from FIFA full stop and give UEFA supreme power. Which again they can dictate to how that is run with threats lol. It is all silly really and all a big gigantic circle BUT the main thing is we need #CHANGE! We need an Obama elected into FIFA presidency It's why England and NL banding together with maybe Germany is so important. They're not just huge leagues but most of the marketing and viewership is directed to the European countries as well. | ||
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Serpest
United States603 Posts
On June 11 2014 23:52 Pandemona wrote: Yeah you bring up a good point, if it continues to be run the way it is, there is no question that the European nations might just vote to stay away from FIFA full stop and give UEFA supreme power. Which again they can dictate to how that is run with threats lol. It is all silly really and all a big gigantic circle BUT the main thing is we need #CHANGE! We need an Obama elected into FIFA presidency We do not want an Obama elected into the FIFA presidency. I don't care even if you meant it as sarcasm. | ||
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