On July 26 2013 14:57 DystopiaX wrote: the thing that puzzles me about the Wall deal is, isn't he a restricted free agent after this year anyway? Why lock him up for 5 years/way too much money when you can just wait a season, see if his knee will actually hold up/his shooting has actually improved, then just match any offer that comes his way? Shave a year and millions off his contract, have enough money to sign Beal/whoever when they come off their rookie contracts.
People underestimate Wall's performance because they don't watch any of his games.
Dude is worth almost more than the contract he got, and he'll get Wizards into the playoffs this year, easily.
I don't underestimate Wall. I think he's better than Kyrie and I think they can get 6th seed easy.
I'm just saying, why lock him up early when you can let a year play out? A big reason you're signing Wall is potential, and you have a year to see that happen. Hell, with his knee issues you can wait a year to make sure it's not a bum knee. Plus he's a restricted free agent, if you want to keep him you can keep him, and for likely less money than 5/80.
Signing Wall a year early is almost as stupid as OKC letting Harden walk a year early for no reason.
He doesn't show any signs of being truly injury prone like Oden or even Varejao, so I think it's a perfect signing but of course there is some slight bias here because I love Wall to death.
Once he came back I think he missed like one game during the rest of the season, and worked hard every night. I think the team is going to be fine with the signing, because Wall's knee isn't as glass as Curry's ankles.
I don't think I should necessarily post this a 3rd time but I think ya'll are missing the point.
Even if Wall fulfills his potential, even if Wall is massively underrated, even if Wall never misses another game in his career- WHY NOT WAIT IT OUT? What do you gain by pulling the trigger a year early? Nothing.
On July 26 2013 15:09 Itsmedudeman wrote: Not sold on the fact that he'll carry the Wizards to playoffs, but I do think he'll be an amazing player. Also, Wall is the only thing the Wizard's got. He's more than just a playoff chance. Without him the Wizards are just the bobcats and could probably barely fill half their seats. I also think Wall would be very willing to leave the Wizards granted an opportunity.
Also lol "believes in the Franchise". Come on. After a few more years of last place playoff births and misses that'll change anyone's attitude. I bet if you interviewed Lebron in his first 2-3 years he'd say similar things.
Huh? Wall has stated numerous times that he loves the Wizards and would want to play for them for a long, long time.
Also, if you think the only thing the Wizards have is Wall than I think you might need to watch some more games. The Bobcats had 2 decent players last year, while the Wizards have Wall/Nene(eh)/Ariza/Beal/Seraphin and now Porter. The East is already known to be a shitty conference, and it's about to get a lot worst this season which is the perfect opportunity for the Wizards to bounce up.
there's a fantasy league thread every year i think. we had a handful of leagues going last year, and i run one of my own leagues for fun. when the time comes just keep an eye out =]
I just checked and leagues were available to create today, might have to keep an eye on the thread to see if there are any interesting ones worth joining.
On July 26 2013 15:14 DystopiaX wrote: I don't think I should necessarily post this a 3rd time but I think ya'll are missing the point.
Even if Wall fulfills his potential, even if Wall is massively underrated, even if Wall never misses another game in his career- WHY NOT WAIT IT OUT? What do you gain by pulling the trigger a year early? Nothing.
Because if he really does break out this year teams like the Lakers will come knocking. The wiz see this as their chance to lock away their superstar for 5 years instead of possibly losing him in 2.
On July 26 2013 15:14 DystopiaX wrote: I don't think I should necessarily post this a 3rd time but I think ya'll are missing the point.
Even if Wall fulfills his potential, even if Wall is massively underrated, even if Wall never misses another game in his career- WHY NOT WAIT IT OUT? What do you gain by pulling the trigger a year early? Nothing.
Because if he really does break out this year teams like the Lakers will come knocking. The wiz see this as their chance to lock away their superstar for 5 years instead of possibly losing him in 2.
I think this article covers the Wall signing pretty well. Basically, there's the possibility of alienating Wall and/or his agent. There's a psychological component involved in "waiting it out" where Wall may get it in his head that they don't value him as much as they should.
Especially what happened with Boston trading away their superstars, big players aren't stupid and they know that even a superstar isn't safe. Make Wall comfortable, and build a team around him.
On July 26 2013 17:49 beesinyoface wrote: Especially what happened with Boston trading away their superstars, big players aren't stupid and they know that even a superstar isn't safe. Make Wall comfortable, and build a team around him.
I like it.
and whos to say wall will want to stay in washington for the next 5 years?
Maybe this is the wrong time or place to bring it up, but don't you feel a little robbed with this Miami Heat team with regards to Lebron? A few years ago, when people thought Kobe had a chance of getting real close to Jordan, I wanted to see him do it; I wanted to see greatness. With Lebron, though, I'm not getting those moments. I don't feel like I learned anything about Lebron this year that I didn't know last year. And I didn't learn anything because he's playing with Wade and Bosh and has Allen and Battier on minimum contracts. Take away one of those guys and they might lose, but I might learn something about just how far Lebron can go. We saw this argument in reverse when people were talking about Lebron losing as a Cavalier. Maybe if you're a Lebron fanboy, you just want him to win a bunch of titles and whitewash the history later, but if you don't think that all that matters is whether you win or lose regardless of circumstances, this isn't the best situation.
Are you trying to say it's unfair the team is so good? I don't know what you're trying to say about Lebron. He totally showed greatness, and he's continually improved his game. What else are you looking for?
He doesn't have to play as well because of Wade and Bosh?
On July 27 2013 04:26 Jibba wrote: Are you trying to say it's unfair the team is so good? I don't know what you're trying to say about Lebron. He totally showed greatness, and he's continually improved his game. What else are you looking for?
He doesn't have to play as well because of Wade and Bosh?
No, I'm purposely leaving out considerations of fairness. I'm saying that I think this team is limiting what he could be establish himself as. This is not some sort of static power level; a good hero needs a good story. Think about the Finals; were we sitting here wondering whether or not Lebron was going to win the game? Not really. We were wondering which other Heat players were going to have a good game. As I said, I don't feel like we learned anything about Lebron this year that we didn't know last year. There was no Game 7 vs Boston. You need style points and I feel like he's lacking in those.
On July 26 2013 15:14 DystopiaX wrote: I don't think I should necessarily post this a 3rd time but I think ya'll are missing the point.
Even if Wall fulfills his potential, even if Wall is massively underrated, even if Wall never misses another game in his career- WHY NOT WAIT IT OUT? What do you gain by pulling the trigger a year early? Nothing.
Because if he really does break out this year teams like the Lakers will come knocking. The wiz see this as their chance to lock away their superstar for 5 years instead of possibly losing him in 2.
I'd be more worried if Wall hasn't stated repeatedly over multiple years how much he likes Washington. If it were Kevin Love of LMA where there's been rumors that they want out, then ok, but not John Wall. Plus I don't buy into the whole "have to make him feel wanted/not piss off the agent" bit, especially not the agent. It's business, they understand. A 4 year max contract values a player just as much, and the agent especially will understand when, as the article points out, signing Wall to that extra year might prevent them from re-signing another player like Beal. I just don't see Wall being enough of a child that he'd get pissed that they only signed him for 4 years instead of 5.
On July 27 2013 04:26 Jibba wrote: Are you trying to say it's unfair the team is so good? I don't know what you're trying to say about Lebron. He totally showed greatness, and he's continually improved his game. What else are you looking for?
He doesn't have to play as well because of Wade and Bosh?
No, I'm purposely leaving out considerations of fairness. I'm saying that I think this team is limiting what he could be establish himself as. This is not some sort of static power level; a good hero needs a good story. Think about the Finals; were we sitting here wondering whether or not Lebron was going to win the game? Not really. We were wondering which other Heat players were going to have a good game. As I said, I don't feel like we learned anything about Lebron this year that we didn't know last year. There was no Game 7 vs Boston. You need style points and I feel like he's lacking in those.
if you're saying if lebron could score 70 points by himself if needed, then i would say i disagree that he could do that and he definitely needs the team. he simply doesnt have the ball handling ability like a kobe/mj to thread his way to the net, hes a body in the post but doesnt always get the finish, and we all know some days he just cant get his three to sink.
if you're saying having such a team is holding back his development in those respects ill also disagree because i feel like we only saw marginal seasonal improvements when he was with cleveland. if anything ill argue his biggest show of skill improvement happened when he was with miami.
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