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Coverall stats aren't very effective but they're good for casual fans reading ESPN who don't have the time or inclination to go too far into individual advanced stats.
PER isn't completely without merit but there are far better advanced analytics algorithms available. PER just happens to try encapsulate everything into one for the average fan.
Everything you need to know about PER: Andray Blatche was rated a top 15 player, by PER, last year. Brook Lopez was #5 (!).
It vastly overrates scoring and doesn't take into account how detrimental a player can be to a team when he doesn't play defence (even if he can score well). See Al Jeff, Brook Lopez, Amare and Blatche. Tends to not take into account efficient scoring also and rewards chuckers.
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somehow the thread always finds a way to bash PER, maybe more so than bash kobe and the lakers 
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Mike Miller on the Grizzlies. Provided he doesn't get hurt shooting threes, this should help immensely.
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John Wall
80 million united states dollars
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That contract has Rudy Gay written all over it.
It's unnerving dishing out max deals to guys with "potential".
Wall still has a lot of flaws in his game but hopefully he can put it together as he would be a really fun guy to watch if he can lift his game to top15 levels.
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He's very close to top 15. Possibly even in it.
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He had a good finish to last season. But I've seen plenty of guys run hot for 40 games and fade back to medicority.
I agree with what Washington has done--small market teams like that need to go large or go home. But it's still unnerving to dish out a contract like that to a guy based on his potential alone ala Rudy and the Grizz.
As for Wall being a top 15 player, I'm not even sure he cracks top 5 in the PG ranks:
CP3
Rose
Irving
Curry
Westrbook
Rondo
Dwill
I think all those guys are ahead of him currently but we'll see what next season brings.
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Wall is definitely better than Rondo and as for now D-Will. He's also very close to offensive impact of Irving and Westbrook. Defensively his numbers have gone from awful, to good, to bad based on RAPM but Washington's defense looked very good with him last season. I don't think his contract is all potential based as he has a very good case for being that good. I don't know what else they could have signed him for.
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Wall has made leaps in his game every year which is encouraging but he still doesn't do anything at a really elite level in the NBA yet for mine. The exception for that is probably his passing. He's has great awareness as a PG and is very effective in getting good shots for his team mates. His Ast% last year was right up there with the best passers in the NBA.
His scoring is getting there but he's still below average efficiency on high usage and FGAs. He has the tools on offence in terms of skill, speed and his ability to get to the FT line. He needs to keep hitting his mid-range jumpers and get some more range into his game if he's going to be effective against the really top defences who clamp down in the half-court. He just has to put it all together but that's a pretty big if you could apply to a lot of guys in the league.
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agreed. My thing is I don't know how they could have paid him "less" since the best contract is the Steph Curry deal which happened because of an ankle injury.
Turn to NBA TV and watch this scrimmage! Awesome game.
Dion Waiters has fucking tunnel vision though and they won't pass Gordon Hayward the ball.
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On July 26 2013 11:11 RowdierBob wrote:
He had a good finish to last season. But I've seen plenty of guys run hot for 40 games and fade back to medicority.
I agree with what Washington has done--small market teams like that need to go large or go home. But it's still unnerving to dish out a contract like that to a guy based on his potential alone ala Rudy and the Grizz.
As for Wall being a top 15 player, I'm not even sure he cracks top 5 in the PG ranks:
CP3
Rose
Irving
Curry
Westrbook
Rondo
Dwill
I think all those guys are ahead of him currently but we'll see what next season brings.
Insert Spurs inferiority complex here.
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Omfg, I missed TP!
Shame on me. Shame. 
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On July 26 2013 11:34 Ace wrote:
agreed. My thing is I don't know how they could have paid him "less" since the best contract is the Steph Curry deal which happened because of an ankle injury.
Turn to NBA TV and watch this scrimmage! Awesome game.
Dion Waiters has fucking tunnel vision though and they won't pass Gordon Hayward the ball.
You're giving tunnel vision way too much credit.
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the thing that puzzles me about the Wall deal is, isn't he a restricted free agent after this year anyway? Why lock him up for 5 years/way too much money when you can just wait a season, see if his knee will actually hold up/his shooting has actually improved, then just match any offer that comes his way? Shave a year and millions off his contract, have enough money to sign Beal/whoever when they come off their rookie contracts.
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On July 26 2013 14:57 DystopiaX wrote:
the thing that puzzles me about the Wall deal is, isn't he a restricted free agent after this year anyway? Why lock him up for 5 years/way too much money when you can just wait a season, see if his knee will actually hold up/his shooting has actually improved, then just match any offer that comes his way? Shave a year and millions off his contract, have enough money to sign Beal/whoever when they come off their rookie contracts.
People underestimate Wall's performance because they don't watch any of his games.
Dude is worth almost more than the contract he got, and he'll get Wizards into the playoffs this year, easily.
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On July 26 2013 15:03 beesinyoface wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2013 14:57 DystopiaX wrote:
the thing that puzzles me about the Wall deal is, isn't he a restricted free agent after this year anyway? Why lock him up for 5 years/way too much money when you can just wait a season, see if his knee will actually hold up/his shooting has actually improved, then just match any offer that comes his way? Shave a year and millions off his contract, have enough money to sign Beal/whoever when they come off their rookie contracts. People underestimate Wall's performance because they don't watch any of his games. Dude is worth almost more than the contract he got, and he'll get Wizards into the playoffs this year, easily.
I don't underestimate Wall. I think he's better than Kyrie and I think they can get 6th seed easy.
I'm just saying, why lock him up early when you can let a year play out? A big reason you're signing Wall is potential, and you have a year to see that happen. Hell, with his knee issues you can wait a year to make sure it's not a bum knee. Plus he's a restricted free agent, if you want to keep him you can keep him, and for likely less money than 5/80. The only reason I can see you giving him that extra year and however many million is if he's a dude that might walk for other franchises or w/e, but Wall has stated multiple times that he believes in the franchise, wants to carry them to the playoffs and beyond, trusts the organization, etc., so he's not a Joe Johnson in Phoenix or a Dwight in wherever or a Kevin Love in Minny.
Signing Wall a year early is almost as stupid as OKC letting Harden walk a year early for no reason.
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Not sold on the fact that he'll carry the Wizards to playoffs, but I do think he'll be an amazing player. Also, Wall is the only thing the Wizard's got. He's more than just a playoff chance. Without him the Wizards are just the bobcats and could probably barely fill half their seats. I also think Wall would be very willing to leave the Wizards granted an opportunity.
Also lol "believes in the Franchise". Come on. After a few more years of last place playoff births and misses that'll change anyone's attitude. I bet if you interviewed Lebron in his first 2-3 years he'd say similar things.
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On July 26 2013 15:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Not sold on the fact that he'll carry the Wizards to playoffs, but I do think he'll be an amazing player. Also, Wall is the only thing the Wizard's got. He's more than just a playoff chance. Without him the Wizards are just the bobcats and could probably barely fill half their seats.
Again, I agree with you, but you literally have NOTHING to lose by letting another year play out. Dude gets a career-ending knee injury? Saved yourself millions. Dude doesn't improve at all? Sign him for less. Other teams want him? You can match. And he's not going to Joe Johnson and ask you not to match either, since he's said that he loves the Wizards. You have nothing, literally nothing, to lose by waiting out a year.
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