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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On June 28 2013 23:10 Ace wrote: Because the player gets to say where he is traded, not the team. He is pretty much a Free Agent under contract. except it sounded like it was a team based clause, otherwise why it would it even be an issue | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On June 28 2013 23:34 a176 wrote: except it sounded like it was a team based clause, otherwise why it would it even be an issue I think you misunderstand the term. A no-trade clause is an advantage to the player - that is why it only appears on "superstar" type contracts. Why would a team ever consider locking itself out of a potential move as an advantage? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
The problem with those picks is what happens if the team is actually good? Remember Noel is very light weight and wont be here till December. NO has no way of grabbing star players outside of this move. I think it isn't as bad as some people say. I actually wanted them to keep Noel since they already have Davis. Let Noel heal up, play the year out and see what you have. Might have even been able to start Vazquez-EJ-Anderson-Davis-Noel eventually. But trying to load up for next years draft is difficult when so many teams will surely be worse. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I don't think Jrue's offensive efficiency is going to greatly increase coming here, either -- but that's mostly my skepticism of what Gordon can do. The biggest upgrade is definitely on defense, but I'm not sure it's a 9million dollar upgrade. I dunno, looking at the team as constructed, adding Jrue would leave us with about 4million in cap space left without factoring in us probably resigning Aminu (our 3 situation is...abysmal). That'd leave us with just a room exception for some 3 depth or hoping Anderson miraculously learned how to score on and defend against 3s. Going into the draft I was hoping to get some guard depth and use our cap room to try to entice Smith or Iggy -- two of the best free agents who both play the 3, our biggest position of need. Here's hoping Jrue continues a meteoric rise and Gordon stops being the bustiest bust to bust our butts. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 29 2013 00:23 Ace wrote: wait what? How the hell is that possible? Even with EJ's contract how did the team lose so much cap space? Cap situation for next year. That's 43.4m out of 58.5m committed next year. I suppose we could shave some of those bench player contracts but...then you don't have a bench. Gordon, Anderson and Davis don't come cheap, and when you toss in Jrue's 11m per year that's 53.4m before you resign Aminu. Committing 14million for a player who doesn't play a lot of games and plays badly in the ones he does has not helped the team a lot. The team's effectively all in on the prayer that Gordon returns to form. Maybe with Benson being so insistent on the team being good he'd be willing to go into the Luxury, but not by a lot. That's why I was saying we'd have had a shot at iggy. Even with this year's presumptive 1st round pick signing (That has since been traded away) we'd have had enough to offer a good deal to either smith or iggy and still have our Room Exception for Aminu. edit: Let me put it this way, to escape the lottery and a chance of a blowout on the trade, New Orleans will basically need to compete for the 7th or 8th spot in the west. The other teams that are competing in that area are Utah, LA, Houston, Portland, Minny and Dallas. New Orleans has to be better than 5 of those team...which I doubt. It'd be a great trade if they were in the East because they'd have a stronger record, would possibly be eeking wins out of Philly by taking their best player, and would have a pretty great shot at a good playoff seed and a late draft pick next year, which would mitigate what we shipped to Philly. I'm just really worried that won't be the case. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
But, but if he does leave...And a looot of Laker fans have a good-riddance attitude by now (cap space in 2 years, etc.)....but if he does leave, and Kobe isn't back until December, Lakers might just also be in the running for a high draft pick (maybe trade gasol for another ? idk, hadn't thought of this angle until now). It might just be for the best after all  | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 29 2013 01:57 MassHysteria wrote: I haven't caught up on the thread (will soon) but wanted to say that Howard leaving also always made sense because he makes more $$ in HOU (not including advertising deals though which are big). But, but if he does leave...And a looot of Laker fans have a good-riddance attitude by now (cap space in 2 years, etc.)....but if he does leave, and Kobe isn't back until December, Lakers might just also be in the running for a high draft pick (maybe trade gasol for another ? idk, hadn't thought of this angle until now). It might just be for the best after all This isn't true. Dwight can sign 5 year 118mil with LA, and only 4 year 87.6 mil anywhere else. Advantages to resigning with your current team and all that. And, well, you won't beat LA in advertising deals. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On June 29 2013 02:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: This isn't true. Dwight can sign 5 year 118mil with LA, and only 4 year 87.6 mil anywhere else. Advantages to resigning with your current team and all that. And, well, you won't beat LA in advertising deals. Yes it is true, it is just more complicated than that. He has to sign a 3 year deal and then under a new CBA, can resign another deal while still in his prime (30). The difference in those years does not come out to too much when looking at it over his career and also including no-taxes in Texas. If he did a 5 year deal with LA, he would be 32 and more skill-dependent (not his strength in O as of now) at the time for a new deal. Obviously he is getting older and the risk of injury weights in his decisions, so LA is still a win-win no matter what, don't get me wrong. Main thing is that the difference is not as much made up to be. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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mardi
United States1164 Posts
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
Hope with the new ownership/arena deal + McLemore, Cousins, Evans etc the Kings will not be the doormat of the NBA for another painful season. I'm yearning for the glory days of Kings basketball to eventually return... | ||
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beesinyoface
2450 Posts
On June 29 2013 04:33 darthfoley wrote: Extremely happy with my Kings being able to draft McLemore! It was a steal at no. 7 Hope with the new ownership/arena deal + McLemore, Cousins, Evans etc the Kings will not be the doormat of the NBA for another painful season. I'm yearning for the glory days of Kings basketball to eventually return... It was a steal at 7, but your season is riding pretty heavily on whether or not Cousins decides to continue to be an absolute cancer in the locker room. He has a lot of potential and skill, but his ego is getting in the way. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On June 29 2013 04:37 beesinyoface wrote: It was a steal at 7, but your season is riding pretty heavily on whether or not Cousins decides to continue to be an absolute cancer in the locker room. He has a lot of potential and skill, but his ego is getting in the way. Indeed, I wish the Kings had more veteran leadership on the squad but it's basically a bunch of early to mid twenties guys who're trying to figure the whole thing out. Cousins needs to grow up though. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Heard him do this on the radio a few hours ago (promoting his movie). | ||
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beesinyoface
2450 Posts
On June 29 2013 04:40 darthfoley wrote: Indeed, I wish the Kings had more veteran leadership on the squad but it's basically a bunch of early to mid twenties guys who're trying to figure the whole thing out. Cousins needs to grow up though. I'm a huge Pistons fan so I feel like I'm in the same situation with a lot of young players except ours don't seem to have the attitude problem ^^ But hey, at least they didn't go to Seattle! | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On June 29 2013 04:59 beesinyoface wrote: I'm a huge Pistons fan so I feel like I'm in the same situation with a lot of young players except ours don't seem to have the attitude problem ^^ But hey, at least they didn't go to Seattle! Yea, I just started following basketball again recently (the kings struggles kinda put me off, but with the emergence of OKC etc I decided it was worth following). I still think of the Pistons with Billups, Prince, Wallace, Wallace and Hamilton lol. The good old days! I'll never forget the Pacers-Pistons brawl of 2004(?) | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Doc on @WEEI about @BillSimmons: "He did everything he could to get me fired. Wrote letters, wanted to sit down w/ owners to talk about it." Bill Simmons @BillSimmons The quote I just retweeted is an outright, 100 percent lie. I'd be careful, Glenn. Seriously. Stop talking. You are making sh*t up. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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