EPTNBA Offseason 2013 - Page 19
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On June 28 2013 12:38 Jibba wrote: Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN 19m Rasheed Wallace is in talks with the Detroit Pistons to join Maurice Cheeks coaching staff, the Daily News has learned. WHAT If I weren't a Pistons fan, I'd watch the Pistons next year just for the dysfunction. look at the first comment | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On June 28 2013 14:41 zulu_nation8 wrote: Won't be that bad if Boston gets Josh Smith don't see why josh smith would ever go to a club that is completely rebuilding. he wants to contend now | ||
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mjxn
Australia939 Posts
On June 28 2013 14:01 slyboogie wrote: What'd Simmons say? I thought he handled the Doc thing excellently. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
 Al Farouq Aminu is still the starting SF isn't he? His defense was good at one point. This teams is going to rack up a ton of fouls in the half court. I expect that back court to get to the line at will. Unfortunate if they can't keep Vazquez but getting 1 more ball handler to go with Jrue/EG would do wonders. Then they would just take the year developing and setting up for a bench next year. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Can't help but think the East is going to be even worse to watch next season. One more abysmally shitty team, I hope that Wall/Irving can stay healthy at least so the Wizards/Cavs can be a lower playoff seed. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I dunno, I'm just not feeling 2 first rounders for a 15/8/3 guy who isn't that efficient and is kind of turnover prone, especially coming into Monty's system that itself has turnover issues from its guards. Maybe if Gordon hadn't turned into the worst trade in ages I wouldn't be so down on Demps but I really question his judgment. | ||
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Healey
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On June 28 2013 19:57 Ace wrote: I'm going to watch a lot of New Orleans games next season. For True only lol? Did you watch alot of 76ers last season? Gordon and Davies will be hurt for most of the season. I bet they will tank bigtime like the 76ers and Boston for the 2014 draft. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Yes the East will be shit, again. Washington should at least be in the playoffs. @TTT: Dont buy into the hype. There is no way of knowing what the guys from next year's draft will look like. If you want to fault Holiday then do it by analyzing his play and ignore the All Star designation. He started the season on absolute fire though. Splitting ball handling with EJ when both of them can be lethal 3 point shooters should open things up. But yea, we'll see. @Healey: I was going to watch them anyway for Davis, Gordon and Anderson. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On June 28 2013 14:41 zulu_nation8 wrote: Won't be that bad if Boston gets Josh Smith Signing Smith does nothing for Boston in a rebuild. It's far more likely Rondo gets traded for young guys and picks as well. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 28 2013 21:53 Ace wrote: @TTT: Dont buy into the hype. There is no way of knowing what the guys from next year's draft will look like. If you want to fault Holiday then do it by analyzing his play and ignore the All Star designation. He started the season on absolute fire though. Splitting ball handling with EJ when both of them can be lethal 3 point shooters should open things up. But yea, we'll see. I did analyze his play, though. I pointed out specifically that his status as an allstar belies his actual production as a player, not the other way around. He's a reasonably productive point guard who's solid on defense. Is that worth 2 lottery picks? That's what we're potentially giving up unless this team actually becomes a playoff team in the West, which is easier said than done. We're one more Eric Gordon knee troubles season away from that. Jrue's production will also be overshadowed by the fact that he's coming off his rookie deal and will cost our team a whole lot more money than he did Philly -- another reason why people are pointing out how Philly made out like bandits. I'm also a little skeptical of Jrue's numbers, to boot, considering in Philly it was a looter in a riot situation -- someone had to get the numbers on that gutted team. If Gordon players like Gordon (a big if) and if Davis plays as well as he did last year, but with more minutes and Jrue improves a little bit then sure, the team is on the cusp of being good with room to grow, but it's a lot of ifs. I dislike my two best outcomes are we suck so much we get a top 5 pick for the protection or we HAVE to be amazing or we lose a good lottery choice for a more expensive, less upside player in Jrue. Ignoring that we already shipped away a pretty great talent in Noel (who admittedly doesn't fit our roster because of Davis, but he could've been traded to someone else without the potential for this being a robbery). I dunno, maybe if we can fill out the 3 and Davis somehow magically puts on 30 lbs of playing weight then there's a shot, but I'm skeptical and as of right now very disappointed in the trade. On June 28 2013 21:54 krndandaman wrote: Understandable, but from the organization's perspective they're probably banking in on Jrue's ceiling and growth. The guy improved so much last year and he was basically the 76ers only guy on offense besides maybe Evan Turner. He handled that duty pretty well I'd say even with all the TO's. With more ballhandlers on the team I'd imagine he'd cut down on those and improve even more. Vasquez, while he played very well especially for expectations, doesn't seem to have too much room for improvement over what he did last year. edit: also about the 2014 draft the pelicans would probably pick in a similar place as this year (probably top 10 but outside of top 5). Next year's draft is definitely strong but it's mainly because of Wiggins and Parker. Outside of those 2 there aren't any sure bets. Like this, he improved a lot, but was it more a usage thing? He was the only good player on a bad team. Much like how Vasquez monumentally improved, it was more a situation of getting a lot of playing time -- Jrue went from a 30mpg guy to 37, that's a pretty big jump over a whole season. I agree that he's clearly better and has more upside than Vasquez, but is the difference equivalent to A: The extra money we have to pay him with his rookie deal up B: Nerlens Noel + that pick. Maybe I'm too cynical of New Orleans and Demps' move considering how the Paul trade panned out (the only upside is the trade sucked so, so very much that we got Davis, which isn't something Demps should be proud of even if it'll probably work out in the long run) but the more I look at this trade the less I like it. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Philly is on the rebuild, again. I don't see how they made out like bandits giving up their best player. It seems like a good trade for both teams. In fact, Philly is the one that took on the most risk here. I agree that you SHOULD be skeptical of Jrue's numbers. Which is why you should look at how efficient he was vs the league as a whole, his season wide adjusted +/-, PER or whatever, defensive numbers, etc and figure out for yourself what you get here. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Here's Jrue last season side by side with Vasquez: FG% Jrue 43.3% Vasquez 43% -- 3P% Jrue 37.6% Vasquez 34% -- At rim Jrue 64.3% Vasquez 59.1% -- 3-9 feet% Jrue 35.2% Vasquez 45.8% -- 10-15feet Jrue 41.1% Vasquez 47.4% Ast% Jrue 27.5% Vasuqez 27.7% Turnover rate Jrue 12.76 Vasquez 12.07 TS% Jrue 49.9% Vasquez 49.9% EFG% Jrue 47% Vasquez 47.1% Win Shares Jrue 4.94 Vasquez 5.22 -- Adjusted Jrue 5.34 Vasquez 4.7 PER Jrue 16.89 Vasquez 16.25 -- Adjusted Jrue 18.82 Vasquez 17.82 Pretty closely related in everything but 3p% -- which I know IS important, but Vasquez has a greatly superior mid range game to make up for it. Jrue's also got the advantage of his shooting stats remaining as consistent as Vasquez's while taking more shots and scoring about 4ppg more -- which is nice, even if he's a little more turnover prone. The biggest improvement would probably be defensively, as Vasquez, while not bad on the perimeter and on switches because of his length, lacks quickness when dealing with the elite PGs who like to drive on him. Jrue's quicker with similar size, so that's nice. Really, the biggest reason it's an upgrade is that no one thinks Vasquez has room to grow, while Jrue definitely does. But the biggest reason to be so skeptical about it is do you think his production is so much better than Vasquez's as a starter to accommodate the cap hit? Because Jrue's scheduled to make 11 million per year through 2017 -- same as Stephen Curry, for example. Vasquez is on contract for 2.1m next year and 3.2m after that -- if we resigned him he'd obviously be far less expensive than 11m per year. Now obviously we still have Vasquez and he'd be one hell of a guard off the bench if his production from this past year wasn't a red herring. But seriously, 8-9 milllion dollars for minor improvements in production, a lottery pick in Noel, and the 2014 pick. Unless we're drafting in the teens or 20s or Jrue actually IS an All Star caliber PG (without the caveat of getting in on actual all stars being injured) it's not worth it, especially considering the cap hit. I'm not sure how long/how much you have watched New Orleans basketball, but this is so eerily reminiscent of how New Orleans operated with Chris Paul -- they had a crazy good first round pick with lots of talent, so they overpaid Ariza and Okafor, hoping they'd develop into star players to play alongside him. They ended up being decent pieces that eventually got traded away for cap reasons and to rebuild. Since Davis is a potential all star front court player, they end up going in on two guards with lots of potential -- Gordon and Holiday. I mean, Benson wants Demps to make this team better, sooner. I get why the move was made and it's hardly a bad thing for the team to have Jrue on it, but it's definitely a bigger gamble than the Sixers, who are definitely a lottery team and got a shot at getting a second lottery pick coming into one of the best top end drafts next year. I know they tend to overhype drafts, but there's no reason to believe that next year's draft isn't gonna be that good unless that's what you're hoping for. being a new orleans fan has jaded me beyond rescue, hellllllllllp | ||
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