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On April 04 2013 07:47 ii.blitzkrieg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2013 07:21 Orcasgt24 wrote:
The Flyers are the single most impatient team when it come to goalies. Look how amny they have used in the last 3 years! Flyers prob got mason because they don't really have a capable backup for Bryz. The last 3 years they have only used Boucher/Bobrovsky/Bryzgalov. Boucher was just a backup. Bob was starter for 1 year/backup for 1 year but now he's on Columbus. They gave Bryz the big contract so obviously he's gonna play... If you're referring to the 09-10 season where they were using a bunch of different goalies that was largely due to injuries and then kinda turned into a leighton(lol)/boucher tandem.
Your right, I ment last 4 years. Its alot more then average, even with injuries. And look at what Bobrovsky is doing in CBJ. His stats in March were pretty amazing. They give up on goalies pretty quick. Bryz got that big deal because they gave up on the preivious two goalies
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More Panthers-worthy hockey coming from the Wild for no reason other than laziness. Lazy passes, lazy shots, lazy defending. This is the kind of inconsistency that leaves Minnesota title-less (except for baseball, which doesn't count).
In other news, the Oilers are in 8th now. Oh shit son.
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On April 04 2013 14:15 Stratos_speAr wrote:
More Panthers-worthy hockey coming from the Wild for no reason other than laziness. Lazy passes, lazy shots, lazy defending. This is the kind of inconsistency that leaves Minnesota title-less (except for baseball, which doesn't count).
In other news, the Oilers are in 8th now. Oh shit son.
They make it in with a massive statement vs Calgary too
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On April 04 2013 01:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Oh yeah and Bishop to Tampa... sweet jesus. I guess Ottawa wanted to maximize their return on him instead of putting him in the backup role to Anderson considering he's just coming back. Tampa has a goalie now!
Lehner was always going to be the goalie we kept out of the three we have, he's the future of the franchise. Andy should be back (possibly Friday) and there's no reason to send Lehner back down to the AHL, so why not try and get a piece that can hopefully help the top 6 for years to come? This is especially true when you realize we would have had to resign Bishop this coming offseason. I love the trade, personally.
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On April 04 2013 14:15 Stratos_speAr wrote:
More Panthers-worthy hockey coming from the Wild for no reason other than laziness. Lazy passes, lazy shots, lazy defending. This is the kind of inconsistency that leaves Minnesota title-less (except for baseball, which doesn't count).
In other news, the Oilers are in 8th now. Oh shit son.
Thank Heavens because when you look at their line-up. They should be hanging around there!
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i am meh on the rangers trades. i think that is way too much for clowe. gabby for all those dudes, it sucks but it kinda makes sense. there was a very slim chance he got resigned the following year due to the cap decrease and all of the rfas/ufas coming up (mcd, hagelin, stepan, girardi this year alone) and then hank is the year following i think??
i think they gave up too much for clowe, straight up. the gaborik trade, i think they really needed depth players like that who can play important minutes but not star. it is just kinda silly since they had that in arty and dubi already, and both those dudes were better i think.
essentially the trade is now nash, brassard, dorsett and moore for gabby, arty, dubi, erixon and a first. i think nash is way more of a complete player than gabby, but the rest of those are def downgrades.
then again, all the traded players scored for the rangers last night lol
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That Forsberg trade may look pretty silly in a few years, perhaps of the B. Coburn/Zhitnik variety. Certainly not as bad as Neal/Niskanen for Goligoski though.
I hope Steve Mason can learn to be a decent backup and that's it. If we gave up a 3rd round pick for that chance (Leighton has no value) then whatever. The Flyers suck (are unlucky?) at drafting beyond the 2nd round. Bryz needs at least a couple days off. Last night was his 20th consecutive start.
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Pretty nice run for Taylor Hall. Currently in the top ten in league scoring and third in pts/game. The only two guys in the league scoring at a faster rate than him are named Crosby and Stamkos. Pretty solid for a 21 year old.
This image right here pretty much sums up the Oilers this year:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vyEPVcZ.png)
The top line is killing the opposition, scoring well against the other guys' top competition. But the fall-off after that is brutal. For some reason, Gagner and Hemsky are bleeding chances against and the fourth line has been a mess all year. It all works out when the first line can get half-a-dozen goals, but it can look pretty ugly on nights when they don't...
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As to Hall - the Corsi with him on the ice is something like +4 and it's -20 with him off the ice. I think he's pretty important to this team.
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On April 04 2013 22:44 Flaccid wrote:Pretty nice run for Taylor Hall. Currently in the top ten in league scoring and third in pts/game. The only two guys in the league scoring at a faster rate than him are named Crosby and Stamkos. Pretty solid for a 21 year old. This image right here pretty much sums up the Oilers this year: The top line is killing the opposition, scoring well against the other guys' top competition. But the fall-off after that is brutal. For some reason, Gagner and Hemsky are bleeding chances against and the fourth line has been a mess all year. It all works out when the first line can get half-a-dozen goals, but it can look pretty ugly on nights when they don't... edit: As to Hall - the Corsi with him on the ice is something like +4 and it's -20 with him off the ice. I think he's pretty important to this team.
Yeah I saw that the other day when looking at advanced stuff. Pretty crazy the drop off after the first group. I wonder why that is because i think hemsky and gagner are pretty solid players
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I was reading some stuff on Copper and Blue that the coach keeps trying to make a gritty team. Maybe part of it is misuse of Gagner and Hemsky? It's hard for a coach to make a great player suddenly terrible, but easy to miscast a lesser-used part. This seems to be most evident in the way Paajarvi has been used. I read C&P's "Top 25 under 25" and was just spellbound by the ridiculous amount of talent on this team. If they can pick up a top defenseman holy shit. And that Smid deal was so solid. I really hope they make the playoffs this year. Maybe down the line my Flyers can have a Cup Finals rematch. Ah, to dream.
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On April 05 2013 00:06 QuanticHawk wrote:
Yeah I saw that the other day when looking at advanced stuff. Pretty crazy the drop off after the first group. I wonder why that is because i think hemsky and gagner are pretty solid players
There was a write-up a while back attempting to explain what's happening to 83/89 this year. Conclusion: errrr, not really sure.
The most reasonable explanation seems to lie in the type of players these guys are. If you want to think of two player types, you have the guys who drive the play (the so called 'bus drivers') and the guys who play more of a supporting role. A Taylor Hall is an example of the first type in that he seems to put up strong offense and push the play forward regardless of his line-mates. Clearly, because he's the one doing the pushing. A guy like Jordan Eberle is a better example of the second type. Eberle struggles when not playing with a guy like Hall who can create open ice for him to do his magic.
Neither Hemsky nor Gagner are guys who drive the play. If you watch their offensive chances this year, it's typically one-and-out. They can gain the zone, get a shot off, but then lose possession and the puck is turned down the other direction. If you think about when Hemsky was most effective, it was when playing with a five-years-younger Ryan Smyth or Shawn Horcoff who could recover the puck and give Hemsky another chance to set up and open up options (which is when he's at his best).
Either way, it's just kind of guesswork. The bottom-line being that they have needed a lot more out of their second line all year. Sure, Gagner by all metrics is having a career year - but the numbers are misleading when you consider how much he gives up.
On another note, Smid is likely my favorite Oiler. He's just incredibly likeable. I'm happy he's staying and would likely be shitting blood had the Oilers failed to get him signed.
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Shit Lupul just got rocked. Guy is so injury prone and it doesn't look good. I think he might be concussed.
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The hit on Lupul was clean. But this was a game where the referees affected the outcome immensely. I do think the Flyers played better overall, but the Leafs lost one of their most explosive players. I hope it isn't too serious, and our playoff hopes are still alive.
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I feel like the Wild are just walking mediocrity. The one thing they have going for them is toughness; they can make checks and play physical on the forecheck. Beyond that, their puck handling skills suck (FUCKING TERRIBLE), they are incredibly slow, their defense is meh, their offense is ok (but poor puck handling and poor finishing skills detract from it), goaltending is good (but no reliable backup), and their timing on shift changes is fucking awful. Teams like this (and I feel like teams like Detroit, SJ, St. Louis, kind of suffer from this too) can make some good runs (Wild had a good run of wins with some improvement in puck handling and defense), but just aren't consistent or skilled enough to seriously contend.
Seriously, I could probably skate faster than Parise at this point...
And people wonder why the NHL isn't so successful in MN. I could go to any fucking high school in the state and watch players try harder (and probably do better) than what we saw from the Wild tonight.
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On April 05 2013 13:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I feel like the Wild are just walking mediocrity. The one thing they have going for them is toughness; they can make checks and play physical on the forecheck. Beyond that, their puck handling skills suck (FUCKING TERRIBLE), they are incredibly slow, their defense is meh, their offense is ok (but poor puck handling and poor finishing skills detract from it), goaltending is good (but no reliable backup), and their timing on shift changes is fucking awful. Teams like this (and I feel like teams like Detroit, SJ, St. Louis, kind of suffer from this too) can make some good runs (Wild had a good run of wins with some improvement in puck handling and defense), but just aren't consistent or skilled enough to seriously contend.
Seriously, I could probably skate faster than Parise at this point...
And people wonder why the NHL isn't so successful in MN. I could go to any fucking high school in the state and watch players try harder (and probably do better) than what we saw from the Wild tonight.
Try being a Devils fan at the moment >:[  .
And as for Lupul, Carlyle reported that he was feeling "fine" or something after the game, and may very well practice tomorrow. Don't know what to read into that, considering it was clearly a head injury, the extent of which might not be immediately identifiable. He should probably sit out a couple of games just to make sure, but who knows. I don't think it's a coincidence that Lupul goes down and the Leafs proceed to lose the game (in arguably unfair fashion, but those are the breaks) though. JVR had a nice goal at least.
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In spite of all the hot air built up in the center of the universe post-deadline, I feel obligated to pump Toronto's tires a bit.
Also holy crap, jekyll and hyde with the Canucks out there lately, I guess a good center is pretty useful toi have.
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On April 05 2013 14:04 crawlingchaos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 13:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I feel like the Wild are just walking mediocrity. The one thing they have going for them is toughness; they can make checks and play physical on the forecheck. Beyond that, their puck handling skills suck (FUCKING TERRIBLE), they are incredibly slow, their defense is meh, their offense is ok (but poor puck handling and poor finishing skills detract from it), goaltending is good (but no reliable backup), and their timing on shift changes is fucking awful. Teams like this (and I feel like teams like Detroit, SJ, St. Louis, kind of suffer from this too) can make some good runs (Wild had a good run of wins with some improvement in puck handling and defense), but just aren't consistent or skilled enough to seriously contend.
Seriously, I could probably skate faster than Parise at this point...
And people wonder why the NHL isn't so successful in MN. I could go to any fucking high school in the state and watch players try harder (and probably do better) than what we saw from the Wild tonight. Try being a Devils fan at the moment >:[ . And as for Lupul, Carlyle reported that he was feeling "fine" or something after the game, and may very well practice tomorrow. Don't know what to read into that, considering it was clearly a head injury, the extent of which might not be immediately identifiable. He should probably sit out a couple of games just to make sure, but who knows. I don't think it's a coincidence that Lupul goes down and the Leafs proceed to lose the game (in arguably unfair fashion, but those are the breaks) though. JVR had a nice goal at least.
At least the Devils have some cups. Minnesota doesn't have a title in any sport (that matters).
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On April 06 2013 10:16 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 14:04 crawlingchaos wrote:On April 05 2013 13:02 Stratos_speAr wrote:
I feel like the Wild are just walking mediocrity. The one thing they have going for them is toughness; they can make checks and play physical on the forecheck. Beyond that, their puck handling skills suck (FUCKING TERRIBLE), they are incredibly slow, their defense is meh, their offense is ok (but poor puck handling and poor finishing skills detract from it), goaltending is good (but no reliable backup), and their timing on shift changes is fucking awful. Teams like this (and I feel like teams like Detroit, SJ, St. Louis, kind of suffer from this too) can make some good runs (Wild had a good run of wins with some improvement in puck handling and defense), but just aren't consistent or skilled enough to seriously contend.
Seriously, I could probably skate faster than Parise at this point...
And people wonder why the NHL isn't so successful in MN. I could go to any fucking high school in the state and watch players try harder (and probably do better) than what we saw from the Wild tonight. Try being a Devils fan at the moment >:[ . And as for Lupul, Carlyle reported that he was feeling "fine" or something after the game, and may very well practice tomorrow. Don't know what to read into that, considering it was clearly a head injury, the extent of which might not be immediately identifiable. He should probably sit out a couple of games just to make sure, but who knows. I don't think it's a coincidence that Lupul goes down and the Leafs proceed to lose the game (in arguably unfair fashion, but those are the breaks) though. JVR had a nice goal at least. At least the Devils have some cups. Minnesota doesn't have a title in any sport (that matters).
Fair enough. The Wild are a young franchise and are in rather good shape for the future though. They strike me as a team that could easily pull off some upsets in the playoffs.
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Suddenly "not an elite player anymore" Ovi is #2 in goals of the league. I guess Oates found the way to utilize the guy ...
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On April 07 2013 15:32 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Suddenly "not an elite player anymore" Ovi is #2 in goals of the league. I guess Oates found the way to utilize the guy ...
It's Ovie man. A talent like that has to wake up eventually and apparently Lupul will be at practice tomorrow.
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