Vinny had trouble putting up points in the weakest division in hockey, against leaky defenses and questionable goalies. What is he going to do when he plays against a coherent defense and a top 15 goalie? For whatever reason he clearly isnt the player he was 5 years ago, maybe its all the injuries, maybe its the fact that TB was a headcase for so long and he lost his ability to play complete hockey, maybe he just doenst care since he has a cup and the money anyway. Either way, whichever team gets him, unless they have him playing a supporting role they will be sorely sorely disappointed.

QuanticHawk

United States32056 Posts

July 02 2013 03:25 GMT

#2682

Eh, I think if the price is right, most teams would love to have him as their second center. Def not the vinny of old, but good enough for second line minutes on most clubs I would think.

Shit washington has a hole for a second center now that Riberio booked. That would be a very nice landing spot for him.

TT1

Canada10009 Posts

July 02 2013 03:36 GMT

#2683

vinny has averaged close to .82 PtsPG over the past 5 season, i think he can still be a solid 1C for 2-3+ years. also dont be surprised if clarkson gets 4.75-5M from someone, thats what im expecting at least

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=26809

QuanticHawk

United States32056 Posts

July 02 2013 04:11 GMT

#2684

I wouldnt be surprised if he did bc people get overvalued on the fa market, but for a team like jersey who is watching $$ a bit, it really isn't worth it at that price, as much as he helps them a lot

vinny mabye could be a low end 1c somewhere, if he's got a good player to help him shoulder the load there

Sub40APM

6336 Posts

July 02 2013 04:12 GMT

#2685

Clarkcson is definitely going to get more than Bickel, and he is definitely going to be a future buyout in another 2-3 years. Vinny, with him it all depends on how much money he goes for. If he gets paid north of 5 m, its not worth it for most teams. I could see a random darkhorse like the Blues go for it since McDonald is done and he would fill the same 2C role. But places like Toronto or Montreal are looking at him as their 1C and that will be a sorely sorely disappointing experience for all parties.

TT1

Canada10009 Posts

July 02 2013 04:29 GMT

#2686

i would feel comfortable paying vinny 5-5.5M for 2-3 years, if he wants term(5-6) then id give him 4M

QuanticHawk

United States32056 Posts

July 02 2013 04:29 GMT

#2687

In a vacuum, ie without all the media bs, Toronto or Montreal would actually probably be ok for him. They've both got talent in the top 6 that he can play with so he wouldn't be the focus. I think that's the only way he succeeds in the 1 role. I think him in the top 6 but not as the lead producer he should be ok. It really depends on the term. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $5m ish for 2-3 years is ok for him. Like tt1 said, he is still a guy who you could probably bank on getting .8/60ish pts a year. That's valuable.

And yeah, Clarkson is getting more than Bickel for sure. I do like him a lot, but at the same time, I think he also benefited from a forechecking system that plays to his style perfectly. They are very similar players though. Grinder guys with a little scoring touch who can play top 6 minutes. It's similar to Avery at his peak (cept Avery was more of a smart passer than scorer, and Clarkson is way better than he ever was as a total player). Annoying as fuck players to play against, who have a little scoring touch. Do all sorts of stuff good but nothing great; the type of dudes everyone wants one of on their roster. Avery also got a ridiculous $4m deal too after blowing up with the Rangers.

TT1

Canada10009 Posts

July 02 2013 04:31 GMT

#2688

btw michael nylander's son william is probably going to be 2014's top prospect, kid has insane talent. its between him and ekblad imo

QuanticHawk

United States32056 Posts

July 02 2013 04:34 GMT

#2689

Nylander was an awesome player. I know i said it recent but dam n I was we got juniors here

didnt see it mentioned but uncle daddy's team drafted his son

Sub40APM

6336 Posts

July 02 2013 04:36 GMT

#2690

lots of pressure on the kid. but at least he isnt an asshole like roy's kid

TT1

Canada10009 Posts

July 02 2013 04:37 GMT

#2691

LOL speaking of which, this was fucale's dad after MTL picked him

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QuanticHawk

United States32056 Posts

July 02 2013 04:47 GMT

#2692

On July 02 2013 13:36 Sub40APM wrote:
lots of pressure on the kid. but at least he isnt an asshole like roy's kid

if he's anything like his father, you won't know until you catch him in bed with his wife's sister!

lot of legacy players coming up, and all from dudes we probably all grew up watching. i feel really fucking old.

Sub40APM

6336 Posts

July 02 2013 04:59 GMT

#2693

On July 02 2013 13:47 QuanticHawk wrote:

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yes, once you realize your video game frame of reference for a lot of guys is starting to draw a blank 'cuz the last nhl game i had was from the early 2000s it feels awkward.

sharkeyanti

United States1273 Posts

July 02 2013 05:23 GMT

#2694

No more Eric Daze breakaways...

StarStruck

25339 Posts

July 02 2013 05:25 GMT

#2695

On July 02 2013 13:59 Sub40APM wrote:

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yes, once you realize your video game frame of reference for a lot of guys is starting to draw a blank 'cuz the last nhl game i had was from the early 2000s it feels awkward.

Now you guys know how I feel. >_<

TT1

Canada10009 Posts

July 02 2013 09:17 GMT

#2696

omfg i cant wait until beaulieu comes up, look at those fucking hands-_-

QuanticHawk

United States32056 Posts

July 02 2013 15:10 GMT

#2697

preds pick Janne Juvonen and his hideous baby face shall now haunt your dreams too

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Flaccid

8836 Posts

July 02 2013 15:33 GMT

#2698

On June 28 2013 10:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'

On June 29 2013 11:22 KelianQatar wrote:
If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'

StarStruck

25339 Posts

July 02 2013 23:23 GMT

#2699

8 Years for Letang... omg. ~_~ That deal is just, is just.

and guess where Vinny is ending up. Philly. huehuehue

TT1

Canada10009 Posts

July 03 2013 01:49 GMT

#2700

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"Fluto Shinzawa
@GlobeFluto

David Clarkson will get Lucic-like payday. Not in Bruins' price range."

oh yea and vinny went to philly for 4.5M(5 years), i think they overpaid by 500k but its not that big of a deal.