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On July 01 2013 11:47 TT1 wrote:
at first i thought it was an equal trade but the more i think about it the more i think vancouver got the better deal. schnieder is 27 and hes gonna have to play behind brodeur for 1+ year(until his contract is up), he'll be 28 by the time he becomes NJ's no1 goalie. that gives them 5-6 good seasons.. dunno if thats enough to give up someone like horvat or nichushkin
I really really hope you're right. Maybe ownership forced Gillis' hand if they refused to buyout lui D:
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woulda been sooooooo much happier if we ended up with these picks
according to who was available(for MTL):
25. McCarron (most debatable pick for me but we do need size, ready to gamble on him)
34. Zykov
36. Fucale
55. Carrier (Lehkonen was also a good pick but hes high risk -- had a few concussions and hes small)
71. Buchnevich (or Hayden, unsure here)
86. Bjorkstrand
116. Subban (was drafted 115, all it would have took was a 7th to trade up 1 spot for him..)
176. Gregoire
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It's not the worst deal for VAN, but it seems odd that this is best deal possible. The #9 pick, while valuable, is hardly a sure thing. An elite-level goalie is pretty hard to come by. VAN should have gotten much more. Shit, Kris Versteeg cost the Flyers a 1st and a 3rd.
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On July 01 2013 11:55 crawlingchaos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:47 TT1 wrote:
at first i thought it was an equal trade but the more i think about it the more i think vancouver got the better deal. schnieder is 27 and hes gonna have to play behind brodeur for 1+ year(until his contract is up), he'll be 28 by the time he becomes NJ's no1 goalie. that gives them 5-6 good seasons.. dunno if thats enough to give up someone like horvat or nichushkin Yeah that's what I'm not entirely sure about, considering the relative lack of depth of forwards on the team. However, given that NJ has to forfeit a 1st round pick next season, acquiring a solid goaltender right now is critical for damage control at the very least. Imagine the shitstorm that would occur if the Devils have to forfeit a top 10, or god forbid top 5, pick next year. I also like this option going forward better than the prospects in the system. @ Shelke14 always nice to see another Devils fan in Canada! :D (especially living within Leafs Nation)
This is exactly why it is a great move. Schneider is a proven top 15 goalie at worst. The devs had nothign of the sort in their pipeline. Another year of Marty/Hedberg was not gonna cut it. They have other issues, but I think that might have been their greatest one. As much as this draft was deep, outside of the top 3 guys or so, I'd probably rather take the proven goalie in NJ's position.
On July 01 2013 09:40 Sub40APM wrote:
Bickel re-signs with Chicago for 4 million a year. Another Joel Ward type deal or is Bickel capable of becoming Milan Lucic circa 2011?
fucking LOL horrible. That's a deal you give to a rising power forward or something, not a third liner who had a great post season. he's a 20-20 guy, max. He doesn't play special teams either. I dobut that he is blossoming into a top 6 player at 27. he averages 12 minutes or so a game reg season.
Eh, I think Bolland is a massive improvement over Bozak. A top six of kadri and grabs/bolland is much better. However, I do feel three picks is a bit on the pricer side of things from a dude who should be your third liner.
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Bob gets two years at 5.67 a year. I guess that is wise in the sense that he has 2 more years to prove himself to be an elite goaltender instead of locking himself into an unmovable Luongo esque contract.
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extremely fair deal. cbj would have been stupid to let him walk
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Cant be more happy for Bob and CBJ. Good team with a healthy environment to grow into an elite goalie. Another team to keep an eye on next season for me!
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Yea good deal for Bob and Columbus. As far as their playoff chances next year... good luck in a division with PIT, NYR, PHI, WAS, NJD, and now a decent NYI team. Also Carolina usually isn't terrible.
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That division really is gonna be a blood bath. I like NJD a lot with schneids. I think cbj is gonna be better there than people think. That's a pretty balanced team as is. I don't think it is any worse than washington, who is gonna lose riberio and be pretty meh after Ovechkin and Backstrom. Green is a shell of what he was, but Carlson and Holtby are pretty good. NYI is on the rise too
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The only division that is going to be weak is C, with just two playoff teams in it that are a legit threat plus the Mild. I guess Division D could become just SJ and LA if the Canucks continue their disintegration while the hapless Flames and Oilers keep getting stuck as bottom feeders due to poor drafting/poor trading.
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Washington should have some improvement from Perreault and Johanssen, and potentially Kuznetsov. Carlson, Alzner, and Green is a great start for most defenses. Gaborik might arise again with a new team and no Torts. CBJ has too many skaters playing more minutes than they would on a good team, but they might contend if Bob plays up to last year.
MIN made out a lot better on the Clutterbuck deal, Niderreiter is one of the best defensive forwards in the league, and Cal was a minor-penalty machine. If Granlund and Brodin can make big contributions they might be a surprise next year.
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Yeah I thought the Isles totally mismanged Nito. They need more skill forwards than they do third line fight duckign shitheads like Cal. Poor trade on their part, but they dug that hole.
cbj, it probably depends on the coach, but they look a whole lot like the Rangers, B's etc, built from the net out, with a lot of dudes who are 20-20 threats, but few genuine offensive studs. If Top Cop is at least a .920ish player again, it takes a lot of pressure off that offense and they could def sneak in at a low seed.
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On July 02 2013 01:18 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 11:55 crawlingchaos wrote:On July 01 2013 11:47 TT1 wrote:
at first i thought it was an equal trade but the more i think about it the more i think vancouver got the better deal. schnieder is 27 and hes gonna have to play behind brodeur for 1+ year(until his contract is up), he'll be 28 by the time he becomes NJ's no1 goalie. that gives them 5-6 good seasons.. dunno if thats enough to give up someone like horvat or nichushkin Yeah that's what I'm not entirely sure about, considering the relative lack of depth of forwards on the team. However, given that NJ has to forfeit a 1st round pick next season, acquiring a solid goaltender right now is critical for damage control at the very least. Imagine the shitstorm that would occur if the Devils have to forfeit a top 10, or god forbid top 5, pick next year. I also like this option going forward better than the prospects in the system. @ Shelke14 always nice to see another Devils fan in Canada! :D (especially living within Leafs Nation) This is exactly why it is a great move. Schneider is a proven top 15 goalie at worst. The devs had nothign of the sort in their pipeline. Another year of Marty/Hedberg was not gonna cut it. They have other issues, but I think that might have been their greatest one. As much as this draft was deep, outside of the top 3 guys or so, I'd probably rather take the proven goalie in NJ's position. Show nested quote +On July 01 2013 09:40 Sub40APM wrote:
Bickel re-signs with Chicago for 4 million a year. Another Joel Ward type deal or is Bickel capable of becoming Milan Lucic circa 2011? fucking LOL horrible. That's a deal you give to a rising power forward or something, not a third liner who had a great post season. he's a 20-20 guy, max. He doesn't play special teams either. I dobut that he is blossoming into a top 6 player at 27. he averages 12 minutes or so a game reg season. Eh, I think Bolland is a massive improvement over Bozak. A top six of kadri and grabs/bolland is much better. However, I do feel three picks is a bit on the pricer side of things from a dude who should be your third liner.
Bickell earned his contract he played out of his mind in the playoffs and the only reason he didnt have more minutes during the regular season is because of who is in front of him. Hes got a role on the Hawks and knows whats expected of him at the minimum and has proven time and time again this season hes finally found his stride in the NHL. Hes the guy that will get the down and dirty clean up scraps.
Toronto definitely overpayed for Bolland, but his value was really high after the playoffs and especially from Game 6. Still doesn't make much sense for Toronto to pay 3 picks to Chicago for a salary dump. Seems like Toronto is planning on making him a key part of their team if they're playing that much
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On July 02 2013 08:58 Kyhron wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2013 01:18 QuanticHawk wrote:On July 01 2013 11:55 crawlingchaos wrote:On July 01 2013 11:47 TT1 wrote:
at first i thought it was an equal trade but the more i think about it the more i think vancouver got the better deal. schnieder is 27 and hes gonna have to play behind brodeur for 1+ year(until his contract is up), he'll be 28 by the time he becomes NJ's no1 goalie. that gives them 5-6 good seasons.. dunno if thats enough to give up someone like horvat or nichushkin Yeah that's what I'm not entirely sure about, considering the relative lack of depth of forwards on the team. However, given that NJ has to forfeit a 1st round pick next season, acquiring a solid goaltender right now is critical for damage control at the very least. Imagine the shitstorm that would occur if the Devils have to forfeit a top 10, or god forbid top 5, pick next year. I also like this option going forward better than the prospects in the system. @ Shelke14 always nice to see another Devils fan in Canada! :D (especially living within Leafs Nation) This is exactly why it is a great move. Schneider is a proven top 15 goalie at worst. The devs had nothign of the sort in their pipeline. Another year of Marty/Hedberg was not gonna cut it. They have other issues, but I think that might have been their greatest one. As much as this draft was deep, outside of the top 3 guys or so, I'd probably rather take the proven goalie in NJ's position. On July 01 2013 09:40 Sub40APM wrote:
Bickel re-signs with Chicago for 4 million a year. Another Joel Ward type deal or is Bickel capable of becoming Milan Lucic circa 2011? fucking LOL horrible. That's a deal you give to a rising power forward or something, not a third liner who had a great post season. he's a 20-20 guy, max. He doesn't play special teams either. I dobut that he is blossoming into a top 6 player at 27. he averages 12 minutes or so a game reg season. Eh, I think Bolland is a massive improvement over Bozak. A top six of kadri and grabs/bolland is much better. However, I do feel three picks is a bit on the pricer side of things from a dude who should be your third liner. Bickell earned his contract he played out of his mind in the playoffs and the only reason he didnt have more minutes during the regular season is because of who is in front of him. Hes got a role on the Hawks and knows whats expected of him at the minimum and has proven time and time again this season hes finally found his stride in the NHL. Hes the guy that will get the down and dirty clean up scraps. Toronto definitely overpayed for Bolland, but his value was really high after the playoffs and especially from Game 6. Still doesn't make much sense for Toronto to pay 3 picks to Chicago for a salary dump. Seems like Toronto is planning on making him a key part of their team if they're playing that much
i like that deal alot for toronto, bolland can play as their 2nd or 3rd line center. he doesnt have as much offencive upside as bozak but hes a more complete player at lower $$. bozak is asking for 5M so toronto most likely wont resign him.. and imo they didnt give up all that much for bolland(seeing as hes still relatively young). at worse hes gonna be a solid 3rd line center who puts up 40-45 pts
that being said they still dont have a 1st line center, theyre gonna go after vinny/ribeiro/roy really fucking hard
on that topic i hope MTL signs gordon, ryan jones and fistric. love all 3 of them
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Bolland is also oft injured, so expecting him to play second line minutes is a bit optimistic. As for Bickel, you might say that he didnt get to play more minutes because the top 6 was clogged with players but one playoff series does not turn around a guy in his late 20s style of play. But I guess we will see next year, and good players obviously can elevate the play of others around them the way Crosby has turned Kunitz and Depuis into top forwards after both guys were 50 pts supporting dudes on other squads for years.
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yea but they'll have a solid bottom 6 with bolland and mcclement. their only problem is that they have 2 second line centers in kadri and grabo
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Bickel had a good season for a guy that really didn't earn Q's trust until late into the season. It wasn't just one playoff series he was consistent all year doing the same things he did in the playoffs, but most people didn't hear about it because well look at everything the Hawks were doing during the season. He'll be a 15/35 type of guy that gets those dirty goals and stands up for his teammates.
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On July 02 2013 09:37 Sub40APM wrote:
As for Bickel, you might say that he didnt get to play more minutes because the top 6 was clogged with players but one playoff series does not turn around a guy in his late 20s style of play.
exactttttly. That's my read on him. Good third line tweener dude, who can play up with the big boys, provide some grit and pot in some dirty goals. Those people are very useful, the type of guys you need to build a winner, but I think $4/4yr is too much for that. He's a lesser version of Clarkson, and I would think Clarkson at that price is on the higher side of things. You don't suddenly turn into a top 6 player at 27. he rode his hot play to the bank.
Also, I think Kadri has 1c in him. It is more of a question if he is now. Probably not a genuine 1c yet, but I think he should have been getting way more than 13 min a game. I just dont know if getting a 1c to bridge that gap for a 1-3 years is so smart. Vinny really isn't a 1C anymore. He'd be a nice 2, or someone who can dominate offensively on the third. Grabs is more suited to the 2c role.
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