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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51709 Posts
March 04 2013 10:34 GMT
#6201
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
March 04 2013 10:50 GMT
#6202
On March 04 2013 19:34 GTR wrote:
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loool. Epic failure BBC.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 11:08:02
March 04 2013 11:07 GMT
#6203
I always knew the BBC were racists..... or idiots. Whatever fits.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 12:01:59
March 04 2013 11:57 GMT
#6204
On March 04 2013 11:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Please tell me this Portland versus New York game will be on youtube later, this is a soccer game!


Was a MLS match on youtube? Pretty cool actually, wish the times were favorable.

edit: Watching the highlights from Portland vs New York. The first goal came from when the keeper went to pick up a back pass, is this allowed in the MLS or is that the reason he let the ball lose for the goal?
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 13:19:10
March 04 2013 13:13 GMT
#6205
On March 04 2013 20:57 Ysellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 11:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Please tell me this Portland versus New York game will be on youtube later, this is a soccer game!


Was a MLS match on youtube? Pretty cool actually, wish the times were favorable.

edit: Watching the highlights from Portland vs New York. The first goal came from when the keeper went to pick up a back pass, is this allowed in the MLS or is that the reason he let the ball lose for the goal?


Honestly, it looked like he just lost control of the ball.

The Timbers actually have a pretty nice stadium and awesome fans.
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UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 15:07:34
March 04 2013 15:06 GMT
#6206
On March 04 2013 07:55 Akamu wrote:
Kobe himself has said that if him and Lebron and other stars had been given a soccer ball instead of a basketball when they were little kids that the US would have already won a world cup. IDK about that but it's interesting to think about.

But what a great weekend for soccer. Real Madrid is looking fantastic going into the match with ManU. MLS kicked off and SKC and especially Zusi was fun to watch. And finally the monster man that is Gareth Bale continued is reign of terror. I really hope Tottenham can keep him.

I think kobey is an idiot then. Your potential in sports is dependent on two things, one is your natural born body type, the other is your natural brain (by this im talking more subconscious, ie reflexes, hand-to-eye coordination). Some sports have a good balance between these, while some only require really one of them. An example of the body type only sport is swimming. One person is naturally biologically born better at swimming than another. Nurture and drive can allow someone to realize their potential, but there potential is usually capped as an athlete in swimming dependent on their genes (and perhaps early nurture to some extent). In the heat for the Olympics you may see various body types, just like in a random sample of the population (who are very athletic of course), that is because humans are different and everyone in the heats are close to reaching their potential. But once you reach Olympic level, pretty much everyone has a body type that is the same, short legs, long body. This is because if you are not born with this genetic body type that suits swimming your are at too much of a disadvantage, the drive and nurture side of your ability becomes outweigh by natural ability.

Exceptions to this idea do exist, but are usually down to outliers, for example usain bolt when it comes to running. He has much larger legs, and a bigger stride than most runners, this is probably more a result of the "accepted" body type of a runner being wrong, or perhaps a certain threshold of athleticism that needs to be reached for longer legged runners to start outrunning shorter legged runners, which none have reached because the longer legged runners who are good are a more rare body type, or maybe usain is just a freak of nature, with his body being in the 99.999999999% percentile.

Now something like football is unique. It is a sport that requires you to have athleticism, but to be the best in the world there is no accepted body type. Kristof van Hout is 6ft 10, and then you have Élton Jose Xavier Gomes who is about 5 ft. In football its not just the range but the variance of height, there doesn't seem to be one height that's best, unlike basketball. Body type is the same, sure there are no massive body builders in football but most other body types are acceptable, you don't even have to be that fast to be a footballer. This is why kobey is an idiot. A sport like basketball, the per-requisite for playing is being very tall. Essentially if you could draw up an equation of potential in sport, once your natural brain/ sporting intelligence reached a certain level your height would MASSIVELY limit your ability. Players like Earl Boykins would probably be the best NBA players in the world if they were the same height as the average other player, they are to make up for the height difference in skill. My point being that Kobey wouldn't be the basketball player today if he was the height of an average American (5'10). Also the height barrier shows that body type is very important in basketball. While in football there is no unified body type, which suggests strongly that footballing potential is massively capped by natural foot to eye coordination and other brain functions that make you a good footballer (positioning, vision ect) Now Kobey may have position and vision in a very high percentile but his foot to eye coordination when having a ball at his feet would not be good enough even for the division 2 in England i suspect. This is why when usain bolt tried to register to the united squad they quietly let him down, because it doesn't matter how fast or athletic he is, if you cant control a ball like a god your nevr going to be an amazing football player.
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
March 04 2013 16:03 GMT
#6207
On March 04 2013 22:13 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 20:57 Ysellian wrote:
On March 04 2013 11:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Please tell me this Portland versus New York game will be on youtube later, this is a soccer game!


Was a MLS match on youtube? Pretty cool actually, wish the times were favorable.

edit: Watching the highlights from Portland vs New York. The first goal came from when the keeper went to pick up a back pass, is this allowed in the MLS or is that the reason he let the ball lose for the goal?


Honestly, it looked like he just lost control of the ball.

The Timbers actually have a pretty nice stadium and awesome fans.


The Pacific Northwest really likes their soccer.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
March 04 2013 17:02 GMT
#6208
On March 05 2013 01:03 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 22:13 Ferrose wrote:
On March 04 2013 20:57 Ysellian wrote:
On March 04 2013 11:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Please tell me this Portland versus New York game will be on youtube later, this is a soccer game!


Was a MLS match on youtube? Pretty cool actually, wish the times were favorable.

edit: Watching the highlights from Portland vs New York. The first goal came from when the keeper went to pick up a back pass, is this allowed in the MLS or is that the reason he let the ball lose for the goal?


Honestly, it looked like he just lost control of the ball.

The Timbers actually have a pretty nice stadium and awesome fans.


The Pacific Northwest really likes their soccer.


Looked like a really great game too from the highlights. Plenty of chances, goals, mistakes and a great atmosphere.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
March 04 2013 17:32 GMT
#6209
On March 05 2013 00:06 UdderChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 07:55 Akamu wrote:
Kobe himself has said that if him and Lebron and other stars had been given a soccer ball instead of a basketball when they were little kids that the US would have already won a world cup. IDK about that but it's interesting to think about.

But what a great weekend for soccer. Real Madrid is looking fantastic going into the match with ManU. MLS kicked off and SKC and especially Zusi was fun to watch. And finally the monster man that is Gareth Bale continued is reign of terror. I really hope Tottenham can keep him.

I think kobey is an idiot then. Your potential in sports is dependent on two things, one is your natural born body type, the other is your natural brain (by this im talking more subconscious, ie reflexes, hand-to-eye coordination). Some sports have a good balance between these, while some only require really one of them. An example of the body type only sport is swimming. One person is naturally biologically born better at swimming than another. Nurture and drive can allow someone to realize their potential, but there potential is usually capped as an athlete in swimming dependent on their genes (and perhaps early nurture to some extent). In the heat for the Olympics you may see various body types, just like in a random sample of the population (who are very athletic of course), that is because humans are different and everyone in the heats are close to reaching their potential. But once you reach Olympic level, pretty much everyone has a body type that is the same, short legs, long body. This is because if you are not born with this genetic body type that suits swimming your are at too much of a disadvantage, the drive and nurture side of your ability becomes outweigh by natural ability.

Exceptions to this idea do exist, but are usually down to outliers, for example usain bolt when it comes to running. He has much larger legs, and a bigger stride than most runners, this is probably more a result of the "accepted" body type of a runner being wrong, or perhaps a certain threshold of athleticism that needs to be reached for longer legged runners to start outrunning shorter legged runners, which none have reached because the longer legged runners who are good are a more rare body type, or maybe usain is just a freak of nature, with his body being in the 99.999999999% percentile.

Now something like football is unique. It is a sport that requires you to have athleticism, but to be the best in the world there is no accepted body type. Kristof van Hout is 6ft 10, and then you have Élton Jose Xavier Gomes who is about 5 ft. In football its not just the range but the variance of height, there doesn't seem to be one height that's best, unlike basketball. Body type is the same, sure there are no massive body builders in football but most other body types are acceptable, you don't even have to be that fast to be a footballer. This is why kobey is an idiot. A sport like basketball, the per-requisite for playing is being very tall. Essentially if you could draw up an equation of potential in sport, once your natural brain/ sporting intelligence reached a certain level your height would MASSIVELY limit your ability. Players like Earl Boykins would probably be the best NBA players in the world if they were the same height as the average other player, they are to make up for the height difference in skill. My point being that Kobey wouldn't be the basketball player today if he was the height of an average American (5'10). Also the height barrier shows that body type is very important in basketball. While in football there is no unified body type, which suggests strongly that footballing potential is massively capped by natural foot to eye coordination and other brain functions that make you a good footballer (positioning, vision ect) Now Kobey may have position and vision in a very high percentile but his foot to eye coordination when having a ball at his feet would not be good enough even for the division 2 in England i suspect. This is why when usain bolt tried to register to the united squad they quietly let him down, because it doesn't matter how fast or athletic he is, if you cant control a ball like a god your nevr going to be an amazing football player.


Some fair points. But you are being obtuse if you seriously think that everything that Kobe said was crazy. Especially the whole 'and other stars' bit. Especially people like Allen Iverson, the more 'normal sized' ones. God damn, they have insane skills and athletic ability (that jumping!). And height is not the be all and end all in bball, although it is v important. I initially made the remark because I was imagining a team of 6ft 5 behemoths just playing like Stoke, and scoring entirely from corners lol. But as a legit team, the US would easily be the most dominant in the world. A staggering combination of physical prowess, height and size, and playmaking quality.

Seriously, imagine if US were as obsessed with football as Brazil. How many countless sports does the US have that filter away talent? Brazil ploughs it all into one sport. Even if you account for the lower levels of opportunity in Brazil...it's just awe-inspiring to imagine all that sport talent in the US being used for football. I could imagine an entire team of Pélés, Pirlos and Ronaldos. Especially combined with the state of the art physical development and youth sports programs that the US has in abundance. They would be off the charts amazing. The amount of incredible talent that there is in the NBA, the NFL and baseball is mind-boggling.
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
March 04 2013 18:37 GMT
#6210
You have to take also into account that maybe they wouldn't develop such physical attributes if they were playing football. Not saying that they wouldn't be beasts, but they would develop some of their attributes pretty differently.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6344 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 19:25:00
March 04 2013 19:20 GMT
#6211
Brazil has a world class volleyball team, and not bad in basketball ether.
The US has always been in their own little world when it comes to sports, I guess the only sport they have been world champions of, and the world actually cares about that sport is basketball (ice hokey is meh).
The thought of franchise clubs and sports is horrific. How can you feel passion for a franchise club? Anyway the Seattle Sounders are my favorite MLS team just because of their fans.
EDIT: Chicago Fire fans lighting flares is cute :3
EDIT 2: A thought just came to me, do you get away fans in the MLS? They are a huge part of EU football... must be expensive though
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28918 Posts
March 04 2013 19:46 GMT
#6212
stoke would be better with their average players being 10 cm taller. they'd still lose to barcelona.

anyway, usa would definitely (barring massive streaks of bad luck) have had one or more world championships if they had channeled their talent into football rather than the american sports+track and field. there's an abundance of physical talent and professional training environment plus a culture of catering to the winners which absolutely produces top top performers when the talent pool is as big as the entire USA. tactics are generally top notch and very developed, american athletes are generally disciplined on the field..

that doesn't mean they'd dominate the world cup though. brazil hasn't been dominant for decades really, even though their talent pool dwarfs any other country. there's just so much more to fielding a national squad, and the game and tournament setup both favour the lucky.
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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 20:14:25
March 04 2013 20:00 GMT
#6213
Holy shit City's jerseys today are badass:

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Also of note, today marks Aston Villa's 800th game in the Premier League, joining United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, and Everton in that milestone.

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Best fans ever.
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nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 20:25:08
March 04 2013 20:17 GMT
#6214
haha, ya i saw those guys. so good. and i agree, benteke is showing some sick skills and strength.

edit:
poor rodwell. guy can't catch a break. but now i am glad it's not longer everton paying his bills.
i also agree with udderchaos completely.
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UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
March 04 2013 20:19 GMT
#6215
On March 05 2013 02:32 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 00:06 UdderChaos wrote:
On March 04 2013 07:55 Akamu wrote:
Kobe himself has said that if him and Lebron and other stars had been given a soccer ball instead of a basketball when they were little kids that the US would have already won a world cup. IDK about that but it's interesting to think about.

But what a great weekend for soccer. Real Madrid is looking fantastic going into the match with ManU. MLS kicked off and SKC and especially Zusi was fun to watch. And finally the monster man that is Gareth Bale continued is reign of terror. I really hope Tottenham can keep him.

I think kobey is an idiot then. Your potential in sports is dependent on two things, one is your natural born body type, the other is your natural brain (by this im talking more subconscious, ie reflexes, hand-to-eye coordination). Some sports have a good balance between these, while some only require really one of them. An example of the body type only sport is swimming. One person is naturally biologically born better at swimming than another. Nurture and drive can allow someone to realize their potential, but there potential is usually capped as an athlete in swimming dependent on their genes (and perhaps early nurture to some extent). In the heat for the Olympics you may see various body types, just like in a random sample of the population (who are very athletic of course), that is because humans are different and everyone in the heats are close to reaching their potential. But once you reach Olympic level, pretty much everyone has a body type that is the same, short legs, long body. This is because if you are not born with this genetic body type that suits swimming your are at too much of a disadvantage, the drive and nurture side of your ability becomes outweigh by natural ability.

Exceptions to this idea do exist, but are usually down to outliers, for example usain bolt when it comes to running. He has much larger legs, and a bigger stride than most runners, this is probably more a result of the "accepted" body type of a runner being wrong, or perhaps a certain threshold of athleticism that needs to be reached for longer legged runners to start outrunning shorter legged runners, which none have reached because the longer legged runners who are good are a more rare body type, or maybe usain is just a freak of nature, with his body being in the 99.999999999% percentile.

Now something like football is unique. It is a sport that requires you to have athleticism, but to be the best in the world there is no accepted body type. Kristof van Hout is 6ft 10, and then you have Élton Jose Xavier Gomes who is about 5 ft. In football its not just the range but the variance of height, there doesn't seem to be one height that's best, unlike basketball. Body type is the same, sure there are no massive body builders in football but most other body types are acceptable, you don't even have to be that fast to be a footballer. This is why kobey is an idiot. A sport like basketball, the per-requisite for playing is being very tall. Essentially if you could draw up an equation of potential in sport, once your natural brain/ sporting intelligence reached a certain level your height would MASSIVELY limit your ability. Players like Earl Boykins would probably be the best NBA players in the world if they were the same height as the average other player, they are to make up for the height difference in skill. My point being that Kobey wouldn't be the basketball player today if he was the height of an average American (5'10). Also the height barrier shows that body type is very important in basketball. While in football there is no unified body type, which suggests strongly that footballing potential is massively capped by natural foot to eye coordination and other brain functions that make you a good footballer (positioning, vision ect) Now Kobey may have position and vision in a very high percentile but his foot to eye coordination when having a ball at his feet would not be good enough even for the division 2 in England i suspect. This is why when usain bolt tried to register to the united squad they quietly let him down, because it doesn't matter how fast or athletic he is, if you cant control a ball like a god your nevr going to be an amazing football player.


Some fair points. But you are being obtuse if you seriously think that everything that Kobe said was crazy. Especially the whole 'and other stars' bit. Especially people like Allen Iverson, the more 'normal sized' ones. God damn, they have insane skills and athletic ability (that jumping!). And height is not the be all and end all in bball, although it is v important. I initially made the remark because I was imagining a team of 6ft 5 behemoths just playing like Stoke, and scoring entirely from corners lol. But as a legit team, the US would easily be the most dominant in the world. A staggering combination of physical prowess, height and size, and playmaking quality.

Seriously, imagine if US were as obsessed with football as Brazil. How many countless sports does the US have that filter away talent? Brazil ploughs it all into one sport. Even if you account for the lower levels of opportunity in Brazil...it's just awe-inspiring to imagine all that sport talent in the US being used for football. I could imagine an entire team of Pélés, Pirlos and Ronaldos. Especially combined with the state of the art physical development and youth sports programs that the US has in abundance. They would be off the charts amazing. The amount of incredible talent that there is in the NBA, the NFL and baseball is mind-boggling.


I agree that if you stopped playing all sports except soccer tomorrow you'd probably be pretty dominant, although having said that, India, Russia and China all have just as big/larger populations than you but aren't anywhere in the sports scene in most sports, and you cant call china a 3rd world country with poor nutrition anymore its catching up, and Russia certainly isn't anything but a 1st world country.

My point mainly was that your kobey's and lebrons probably wouldn't be the stars if you did only play soccer, some athlete called John that's a 7th choice wide reviver for the dolphins would (for example). I say this to emphasize that the talents in basketball and American football wouldn't translate well into soccer beyond athleticism, which isn't even that important. Sure they are excellent at positioning and awareness, but there will be people like this imaginary guy john who will be athletic and have immense foot to eye coordination and a much better player because he can do anything with the ball. Lebron might have the vision and the positioning and the decision making, but if he can't kick a ball with ridiculous curve on it ect, then he will be average at best.

But on the other hand, take Usain bolt and put him in a game like cricket and he would probably be amazing, because the most important skills, mainly athleticism, are transferable. soccer has a unique set of skills that don't translate well and vice versa.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 04 2013 20:31 GMT
#6216
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 04 2013 20:46 GMT
#6217
And Villa shows why they are in the relegation zone with some Arsenal-like defending.
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 20:52:33
March 04 2013 20:47 GMT
#6218
Firstly I'm British so I don't know where all this 'you' is coming from.

Secondly, it's also a matter of the population you can draw on. I'm not convinced that the Chinese or Indians have a similar level of potential to the Americans. The relatively small black population of America is supremely talented at sports (and is over-represented in almost all sports- which may be socio-economically driven but I am not sure about that), but beyond that, the white population's average height is more than India and China...and I would dare to say their general suitability for physical sport is significantly larger. Although this is all estimation and what you have said about the two up-and-coming countries might be true. Russia's population is smaller than the aforementioned countries, and its weather conditions aren't really conducive to kickabouts, so I would assume that's its biggest problem. It probably has a large untapped talent base, but then you can easily say that about the entirety of Africa.

Thirdly, I am not convinced at all that football is a unique sport. It might require different skills but skills can be learned. While it does require creativity in the key roles (basically attacking playmakers), many of the positions are just about learning positioning, learning the patterns of attack, and using your physical skills properly. But it's not like the American sports don't require playmaker brainpower (ie. quarterback position, point guard position).

There is nothing whatsoever that leads me to doubt that a top level cornerback in the NFL could not easily play full back. No doubt WR's could play winger. No doubt NBA players could be keepers, centre halfs, commanding defensive midfielders or imposing target man style strikers. And in terms of playmaking, I can't for the life of me imagine why a player like Allen Iverson would not be able to play soccer perfectly (like a spanish playmaker), had he trained in it.

True Usain would be pretty beast at cricket. Now that you've brought it up, all of the good NBA players would be good at cricket. The USA would completely massacre at cricket lol. They are basically a larger talent pool of the west indies combined with a shitload of incredible batsmen (baseball).

Here's an article from bleacher report which discusses what positions current US athletes might play in, if they played soccer:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1269391-usa-soccer-if-americas-best-athletes-played-soccer-the-starting-11-right-now
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-04 21:45:09
March 04 2013 21:40 GMT
#6219
You guys are arguing about something can neither be proven or disproven. Nobody knows how certain players from different sports would perform in other sports. Many attributes carry over and many also do not. I tend to lean more towards Udderchaos's side of the argument that not the stars, but the guys somewhere in the middle would be big players although at the same time I can see players like Iverson or Nash being excellent playmakers in football.
UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
March 04 2013 21:54 GMT
#6220
On March 05 2013 05:47 sc4k wrote:
Firstly I'm British so I don't know where all this 'you' is coming from.

Secondly, it's also a matter of the population you can draw on. I'm not convinced that the Chinese or Indians have a similar level of potential to the Americans. The relatively small black population of America is supremely talented at sports (and is over-represented in almost all sports- which may be socio-economically driven but I am not sure about that), but beyond that, the white population's average height is more than India and China...and I would dare to say their general suitability for physical sport is significantly larger. Although this is all estimation and what you have said about the two up-and-coming countries might be true. Russia's population is smaller than the aforementioned countries, and its weather conditions aren't really conducive to kickabouts, so I would assume that's its biggest problem. It probably has a large untapped talent base, but then you can easily say that about the entirety of Africa.

Thirdly, I am not convinced at all that football is a unique sport. It might require different skills but skills can be learned. While it does require creativity in the key roles (basically attacking playmakers), many of the positions are just about learning positioning, learning the patterns of attack, and using your physical skills properly. But it's not like the American sports don't require playmaker brainpower (ie. quarterback position, point guard position).

There is nothing whatsoever that leads me to doubt that a top level cornerback in the NFL could not easily play full back. No doubt WR's could play winger. No doubt NBA players could be keepers, centre halfs, commanding defensive midfielders or imposing target man style strikers. And in terms of playmaking, I can't for the life of me imagine why a player like Allen Iverson would not be able to play soccer perfectly (like a spanish playmaker), had he trained in it.

True Usain would be pretty beast at cricket. Now that you've brought it up, all of the good NBA players would be good at cricket. The USA would completely massacre at cricket lol. They are basically a larger talent pool of the west indies combined with a shitload of incredible batsmen (baseball).

Here's an article from bleacher report which discusses what positions current US athletes might play in, if they played soccer:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1269391-usa-soccer-if-americas-best-athletes-played-soccer-the-starting-11-right-now


I still think the likes of Allen Iverson could be average because of the natural ability to control a ball with your foot, its a skill that you can learn to an extent yes, but to be at the level of a Spanish playmaker like inestia there is some insane genes which make you good with your feet in there too.
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