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Breavman
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden598 Posts
February 18 2013 16:04 GMT
#5701
Iniesta has never been the best player on his team, Zidane is one of the greatest in history. Easy one for me. Many of the things Zidane did were simply impossible for any other player to copy. Although I can see the argument that his highlight moves might not have happened every game.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
February 18 2013 16:32 GMT
#5702
On February 19 2013 01:04 Breavman wrote:
Iniesta has never been the best player on his team, Zidane is one of the greatest in history. Easy one for me. Many of the things Zidane did were simply impossible for any other player to copy. Although I can see the argument that his highlight moves might not have happened every game.


Not a great argument because Messi is on the team, it's hard to top the best player of all time

Disregarding titles won, Iniesta trumps Zizou both at their peak (the kid is a magician with the ball) and specially on their "average" day.

I'm not even that big of an Iniesta fan lol
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Dirkinity
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany409 Posts
February 18 2013 16:35 GMT
#5703
Titles in Teamsports doesn't mean anything! There are some terrible scrubs on the Barca and the spanish nationalteam that have the same amount of titles...
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28924 Posts
February 18 2013 17:00 GMT
#5704
On February 19 2013 01:32 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 01:04 Breavman wrote:
Iniesta has never been the best player on his team, Zidane is one of the greatest in history. Easy one for me. Many of the things Zidane did were simply impossible for any other player to copy. Although I can see the argument that his highlight moves might not have happened every game.


Not a great argument because Messi is on the team, it's hard to top the best player of all time

Disregarding titles won, Iniesta trumps Zizou both at their peak (the kid is a magician with the ball) and specially on their "average" day.

I'm not even that big of an Iniesta fan lol


distinction between greatest and best. at least to me, greatest implies being compared with your peers, whereas best is simply about how good you are. regarding zidane and iniesta, that leads to zidane being the greatest, because he was the best player of his generation, whereas iniesta is at best top 3 of the past 5 years.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18774 Posts
February 18 2013 17:29 GMT
#5705
Zidane carried teams for real. He made 10 French individual egos into a scary team capable of winning WCs and Euros.
Breavman
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden598 Posts
February 18 2013 17:38 GMT
#5706
On February 19 2013 01:32 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 01:04 Breavman wrote:
Iniesta has never been the best player on his team, Zidane is one of the greatest in history. Easy one for me. Many of the things Zidane did were simply impossible for any other player to copy. Although I can see the argument that his highlight moves might not have happened every game.


Not a great argument because Messi is on the team, it's hard to top the best player of all time

Disregarding titles won, Iniesta trumps Zizou both at their peak (the kid is a magician with the ball) and specially on their "average" day.

I'm not even that big of an Iniesta fan lol


It's not just Messi though. Xavi has been equally important to Iniesta, which goes for the national team as well. I also feel that Iniesta doesn't score enough. I know it's not his main purpose, but he gets plenty of scoring chances which he misses. I sound pretty negative now, but I just don't see him among the all time greats.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
February 18 2013 18:23 GMT
#5707
Generations get better over time so I'm going to agree with Liquid`Drone. Zidane was the best player of his generation and Iniesta just isn't.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
February 18 2013 19:04 GMT
#5708
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 18 2013 19:42 GMT
#5709
Lol Sated xD
It was just a question Guillem Balague was asking on Twitter and i thought was a good discussion xD
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
February 18 2013 19:52 GMT
#5710
Real question should be who's better at free kicks


Bale or Baines?
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
February 18 2013 20:37 GMT
#5711
On February 19 2013 01:32 Salteador Neo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 01:04 Breavman wrote:
Iniesta has never been the best player on his team, Zidane is one of the greatest in history. Easy one for me. Many of the things Zidane did were simply impossible for any other player to copy. Although I can see the argument that his highlight moves might not have happened every game.


Not a great argument because Messi is on the team, it's hard to top the best player of all time

Disregarding titles won, Iniesta trumps Zizou both at their peak (the kid is a magician with the ball) and specially on their "average" day.

I'm not even that big of an Iniesta fan lol


I would definitely rate Zidane over Iniesta (only a little). Also easier to judge individual players after they play on multiple teams. Seeing as Iniesta's are Barcelona and Barcelona (aka national team), just harder to go that extra step. Zidane owning at Juve and RM and the French team which was different in style...meh it is persuasive to me.
Farad
Profile Joined November 2010
216 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 23:09:18
February 18 2013 23:06 GMT
#5712
On February 18 2013 21:05 Pandemona wrote:
Is Iniesta better than Zidane.


Greater? No.

Better? Probably. As a huge Zidane fan, I can't help but think I'd chose Andres over Zizou if I was a manager and could pick one player to join my team. Zidane was outstanding in 1,5 WCs and Euro2000, but from what I've seen (and that is alot of LaLiga) Iniesta is making magic almost every time he plays for Barca.

E: Not saying Zidane was bad in the domestic competitions, but I've got the impression Iniesta is far more stable.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
February 18 2013 23:37 GMT
#5713
[image loading]

Who says there is major difference between those
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
February 18 2013 23:40 GMT
#5714
Keep in mind those teams in La Liga have also played two less games than the teams in the Premier League
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
February 18 2013 23:55 GMT
#5715
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51712 Posts
February 19 2013 03:38 GMT
#5716
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1344914/shanghai-shenhua-lose-2003-league-title-due-to-match-fixing?cc=3436

Maybe this is why Drogba and Anelka bailed early?
Commentator
Slightly
Profile Joined November 2011
United States80 Posts
February 19 2013 04:28 GMT
#5717
God dang they don't mess around. 6-10 years in prison and lifetime bans for all involved? How did Italy handle its match fixing scandal from a few years back?
james5
Profile Joined September 2012
United Kingdom26 Posts
February 19 2013 05:11 GMT
#5718
Its really interesting.Football is very popular in Europe.
warding
Profile Joined August 2005
Portugal2397 Posts
February 19 2013 15:01 GMT
#5719
Seems like Benfica's shopping in the Dutch market. Dutch fans, is Djuricic really that promising?
Lukeeze[zR]
Profile Joined February 2006
Switzerland6838 Posts
February 19 2013 15:17 GMT
#5720
On February 19 2013 08:40 Ferrose wrote:
Keep in mind those teams in La Liga have also played two less games than the teams in the Premier League


Well, at this point it doesn't matter. ManU, Barça and Munich have pretty much killed the competition. I sure hope to see those three in CL semi-finals, with Juve. Would be deadly.
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