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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 18 2012 14:33 GMT
#341
If it seems overly processed or full of questionable ingredients I try to stay away from it. Basically I just evaluate if having that Monster is really that important to me. Sure a few a month probably won't have any significant effects but it all adds up and I like to evaluate each small decision Nothing scientific to back it up, but in the spirit of paleo: the less processed/refined/messed with the better!
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 18 2012 14:40 GMT
#342
On April 18 2012 07:35 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 01:50 eshlow wrote:
On April 13 2012 23:04 Ingenol wrote:
Some new research suggests probiotics work through an anti-inflammatory effect. This is pretty interesting since they are undeniably beneficial for many people who take them, but there's really no convincing evidence that they actually change the makeup of one's gut flora.

That begs the question--how does one alter their gut bacteria? Looks like "fecal transplants" might be the only way. Sounds gross but I think it will be commonplace within the next several years.


I think you can alter composition of flora with what you eat, or at least the quality of the flora in your gut if not the composition


i suffer from sebbhoreic dermatitis, which is indicated to be a yeast/bacteria in the gut/body/face. one day (maybe end of this year?) im going to go ketogenic and see if this will somehow starve/irradicate the stuff. otherwise its a lifelong condition afaik


It's worth a shot.

Also have you tried eliminating certain food groups systematically to see if that helps significantly? Like eliminating all dairy for 3-4 weeks for example?
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
April 19 2012 03:08 GMT
#343
i dont remember if i done that properly, probably not. but afaik no one has managed to eliminate it yet, and no one claims to have done so either. the only thing that has worked (and people call it the Cure, until it comes back when they stop using it) is the corticosteroid cream. people say stuff like "hot or cold weather" , "spicy food" , "stress" can trigger it, but this is not real information. it starts to flare up for me and get progressively worse if i dont use the cream for 2-3 days, simple as that.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 19 2012 03:11 GMT
#344
On April 19 2012 12:08 FFGenerations wrote:
i dont remember if i done that properly, probably not. but afaik no one has managed to eliminate it yet, and no one claims to have done so either. the only thing that has worked (and people call it the Cure, until it comes back when they stop using it) is the corticosteroid cream. people say stuff like "hot or cold weather" , "spicy food" , "stress" can trigger it, but this is not real information. it starts to flare up for me and get progressively worse if i dont use the cream for 2-3 days, simple as that.


Ick, overuse of topical steroids can lead to nasty skin issues too.

Good luck with that, hope it works out.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
April 19 2012 03:59 GMT
#345
On April 19 2012 12:08 FFGenerations wrote:
i dont remember if i done that properly, probably not. but afaik no one has managed to eliminate it yet, and no one claims to have done so either. the only thing that has worked (and people call it the Cure, until it comes back when they stop using it) is the corticosteroid cream. people say stuff like "hot or cold weather" , "spicy food" , "stress" can trigger it, but this is not real information. it starts to flare up for me and get progressively worse if i dont use the cream for 2-3 days, simple as that.

Well as you said it is inflammatory so it's definitely worth a shot eliminating anything that can cause reactions from your diet (gluten then dairy then nightshades). Keto is also definitely worth a shot.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 06:18:58
April 19 2012 06:13 GMT
#346
guys, how does this fish oil look to you?

http://www.discount-supplements.co.uk/sports-supplements-lose-fat-burner-loss-optimum-health-omega-oil-blend-500ml-bottle

it says on the website

500ml Bottle - 100 Servings
Consume a 5ml serving 3 times daily with meals.
Per 5ml:
Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3): 2443mg
Linoleic Acid (Omega 6): 992mg
Oleic Acid (Omega 9): 953 mg

those seem like high numbers to me. for a 5ml serving. i dont know if its good that they are all high numbers though, or if its the ratio that is important. or if its missing anything

thanks
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
April 19 2012 12:13 GMT
#347
I am thinking about taking myself completely off caffeine to test the effects Nony is talking about here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13756973

I am really unsure about the dependence topic. I don't think I am dependent on caffeine, as I often enough don't have any for a couple of days. But I definitely do feel better after a coffee in the morning. I can't really anymore tell if I am functioning less without caffeine and the daily coffee is just compensating the negative effects, or if I am actually having a positive effect from caffeine. That's why I wanted to test taking myself off caffeine.

How long do you think will it take to get off dependence, assuming I am experiencing bad effects from dependence? Do you think I need to go completely off coffee, or could I allow myself coffee just on one day of the week for example?

Currently I am drinking about a liter of coffee daily I would say. Like 3-4 cups in the morning and another 2-3 over lunch time. I usually don't have any after like 3pm.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 19 2012 13:05 GMT
#348
I don't think you've tested caffeine dependence until you can have a wonky schedule and not end up grabbing a coffee or energy drink personally.

But if you cut way back, you'll feel the difference in just a few days. It took me less than a week to feel better all around when I cut most of the monster out of my diet.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
April 19 2012 13:15 GMT
#349
On April 19 2012 15:13 FFGenerations wrote:
guys, how does this fish oil look to you?

http://www.discount-supplements.co.uk/sports-supplements-lose-fat-burner-loss-optimum-health-omega-oil-blend-500ml-bottle

it says on the website

500ml Bottle - 100 Servings
Consume a 5ml serving 3 times daily with meals.
Per 5ml:
Alpha Linolenic Acid (Omega 3): 2443mg
Linoleic Acid (Omega 6): 992mg
Oleic Acid (Omega 9): 953 mg

those seem like high numbers to me. for a 5ml serving. i dont know if its good that they are all high numbers though, or if its the ratio that is important. or if its missing anything

thanks

That's not even fish oil. It has ALA which is a vegetable (usually flax) source of Omega 3 that your body very inefficiently converts to the Omega 3's you really want, which are EPA and DHA. Look for actual fish oil with only EPA/DHA. You definitely DON'T want to be supplementing with Omega-6's.

TL;DR: no way in hell should you buy that.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 19 2012 13:23 GMT
#350
I was actually looking to buy fish oil as well. Is it more cost effective to do liquid or the capsules? I'd imagine liquid but as far as I know I can't compare the two but I'm willing to go either way. If someone can explain how I'd compare the amount of oil between the two products that would be awesome too, then I'll do the math
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
April 19 2012 13:49 GMT
#351
On April 19 2012 22:05 JingleHell wrote:
I don't think you've tested caffeine dependence until you can have a wonky schedule and not end up grabbing a coffee or energy drink personally.

But if you cut way back, you'll feel the difference in just a few days. It took me less than a week to feel better all around when I cut most of the monster out of my diet.

Why would I change other parameters like sleep schedule? It's a serious question. My understanding is from a testing perspective that would rather skew the results I am hoping to get (Confirmation about caffeine dependence and its severity). I mean if I go through my regular day without caffeine and feel the same or even better after a while without changing other parameters that would be as conclusive as I could hope for I think.
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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 19 2012 13:50 GMT
#352
Oh, no, I don't mean an intentional test. If you just meant a test of the basic effects, yes that would skew results. But I've found that as far as REALLY knowing if you're dependent rather than just liking it, you need to stress-test your ability to function without it.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
April 19 2012 16:39 GMT
#353
On April 19 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:
I was actually looking to buy fish oil as well. Is it more cost effective to do liquid or the capsules? I'd imagine liquid but as far as I know I can't compare the two but I'm willing to go either way. If someone can explain how I'd compare the amount of oil between the two products that would be awesome too, then I'll do the math


just make sure you can swallow the goddamn capsules before buying. they are large
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 19 2012 16:41 GMT
#354
On April 20 2012 01:39 FFGenerations wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2012 22:23 mordek wrote:
I was actually looking to buy fish oil as well. Is it more cost effective to do liquid or the capsules? I'd imagine liquid but as far as I know I can't compare the two but I'm willing to go either way. If someone can explain how I'd compare the amount of oil between the two products that would be awesome too, then I'll do the math


just make sure you can swallow the goddamn capsules before buying. they are large

Not a concern, I've swallowed large pills before. More concerned from a cost perspective. Also, keep it clean!
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eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 20 2012 12:50 GMT
#355
I use this fish oil.

Couple code LOW052 for $5 off your first order... plus I get like 4% of whatever that is which is cents but it could help. :p

http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Answer-Liquid-Omega-3-Deep-Sea-Fish-Oil-EPA-DHA-Natural-Orange-Flavor-16-fl-oz-480-ml/7908
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 20 2012 13:22 GMT
#356
That's what I was planning on getting unless someone told me the capsules were cheaper (like a buy 1 get 1 somewhere in town) but it's probably better quality either way. How long does that bottle last you?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
April 20 2012 17:36 GMT
#357
a quick supplement question...
OP said that the general amount of protein should be about 2g/1kg... In my case, that would mean 140-150g of protein. Now, during what period of time is this? Weekly? daily?
I have some proteins for recovery drinks etc, and it says 30g (aka about 3/4 dl) mixed into a few dl of water within 1 hour of workout.
In my case, im a little bit skinny person, so I need to increase my calorie intake, so should I use protein shakes even on off-days to help gain weight? For a few weeks now I've been trying to increase my weight by eating more than I normally would, with a small amount of success

Oh, I do starting strength 3 times a week, badminton once a week and might occasionally go running.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#358
That's the daily amount. It's better to get your proteins from real food such as meat, chicken or fish but protein shakes are fine otherwise. Since you want to gain weight it might be a good idea to drink the shake with milk instead of water, since liquid calories won't make you as sated. If you're not putting on weight at your desired rate the solution is simple. Eat more.

You will want to reach the desired amount of protein every day, not just days when you work out. You build muscle when you rest from lifting, not when you actually do the lifting.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
April 20 2012 18:07 GMT
#359
Also, badminton is awesome. Shakes every day helps if you're not gaining weight. Sneakyz nailed it though.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
April 20 2012 20:23 GMT
#360
ok well I just went to a shop and bought some extra protein so I dont run out, and the shopkeeper said that you shouldn't drink your recovery drinks with milk products since it slows down how quickly the proteins can get to your body or smthing. So far I haven't had a hard time with recovery itself so I doubt it matters much to me atm, and I think I could down my proteins with yoghurt too?
Of course I optimize in eating enough meat and protein based food every day.

Let me get this straight, it doesn't matter where I get my 150g of protein, as long as I get it? (assuming im 75kg)
If I do not get enough protein from eating high quality food, then I should use supplements to fill up on that, even on off days.
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