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frawress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States22 Posts
May 03 2011 00:23 GMT
#4601
On May 03 2011 08:14 Michaelj wrote:
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/51015/amazon.com-5lb-optimum-nutrition-100-whey-protein-gold-standard-double-rich-chocolate-or-vanilla-ice-cream

Deal on Optimum Whey for those who were asking


Ah too bad Natural Vanilla isn't that cheap .
sawedust
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
May 03 2011 00:58 GMT
#4602
Just got back from another day at the gym. Anyone else against those people who do 15 sets of shrugs, hogging the only rack? *sigh*

Cleared 195 easy for three sets, going to push for a PR 205lbs 3x5 come Wednesday. Very excited about that one :D

Missed my first set of overhead press, only got four reps in at 95lbs. Having failed for the third time I think it's time to reset the overhead press too (I already reset my bench press).

Last but not least weighted chin-ups to close the workout felt great, I did two sets of 15 with a 15lb DB hanging between my feet but could only muster 10 reps on the last set.

Next workout has squats (going for PR@3x5@205lbs), bench press (3x5@135lbs) and closing out with the deadlift (going for PR@1x5@205lbs).
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 03 2011 01:12 GMT
#4603
How much should I be increasing how much I'm lifting. SS says 10lb to start, but I'm not strong enough to really be able to do that. Just around 5lb or so?

Week 2 begins :D
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 03 2011 01:14 GMT
#4604
^If you can't do 10, do 5. If you can't do 5, do 2.5 (hard to find 1.25 weights though) or just do your current weight until you can move up.

Don't feel pressured to move up in weights, do what you can, and progress will come.

Good job!
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 03 2011 01:16 GMT
#4605
On May 03 2011 10:14 Cambium wrote:
^If you can't do 10, do 5. If you can't do 5, do 2.5 (hard to find 1.25 weights though) or just do your current weight until you can move up.

Don't feel pressured to move up in weights, do what you can, and progress will come.

Good job!

Thanks. Arms are still sore from last week >.>

But not bad enough to prevent any sort of progress. I've been feeling better, and will have an opportunity to sleep a ton today. Whole milk debate continues, but I"ll get some tomorrow :D
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
May 03 2011 02:06 GMT
#4606
On May 03 2011 09:58 sawedust wrote:
Just got back from another day at the gym. Anyone else against those people who do 15 sets of shrugs, hogging the only rack? *sigh*

Cleared 195 easy for three sets, going to push for a PR 205lbs 3x5 come Wednesday. Very excited about that one :D

Missed my first set of overhead press, only got four reps in at 95lbs. Having failed for the third time I think it's time to reset the overhead press too (I already reset my bench press).

Last but not least weighted chin-ups to close the workout felt great, I did two sets of 15 with a 15lb DB hanging between my feet but could only muster 10 reps on the last set.

Next workout has squats (going for PR@3x5@205lbs), bench press (3x5@135lbs) and closing out with the deadlift (going for PR@1x5@205lbs).

Fuck shrugs. Most overrated lift ever. If you want big traps then do some god damn cleans.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 02:35:37
May 03 2011 02:28 GMT
#4607
On May 03 2011 11:06 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 09:58 sawedust wrote:
Just got back from another day at the gym. Anyone else against those people who do 15 sets of shrugs, hogging the only rack? *sigh*

Cleared 195 easy for three sets, going to push for a PR 205lbs 3x5 come Wednesday. Very excited about that one :D

Missed my first set of overhead press, only got four reps in at 95lbs. Having failed for the third time I think it's time to reset the overhead press too (I already reset my bench press).

Last but not least weighted chin-ups to close the workout felt great, I did two sets of 15 with a 15lb DB hanging between my feet but could only muster 10 reps on the last set.

Next workout has squats (going for PR@3x5@205lbs), bench press (3x5@135lbs) and closing out with the deadlift (going for PR@1x5@205lbs).

Fuck shrugs. Most overrated lift ever. If you want big traps then do some god damn cleans.


This. My lats and traps have exploded since I started doing cleans. Of course, I think shrugs are incorporated at higher levels of Olympic lifter training, but IIRC they're a different variety from the floor.

As for stupid shit people do in the squat rack? I've seen the following at my gym:

1.) The Romanian deadlift jumping maneuver from the safety bars
2.) Bicep curls
3.) Wrist curls
4.) Seated dumbbell overhead presses

and then there's the guy who puts all of the weight in the gym on the bar and stares at it
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
May 03 2011 03:12 GMT
#4608
On May 03 2011 11:28 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 11:06 decafchicken wrote:
On May 03 2011 09:58 sawedust wrote:
Just got back from another day at the gym. Anyone else against those people who do 15 sets of shrugs, hogging the only rack? *sigh*

Cleared 195 easy for three sets, going to push for a PR 205lbs 3x5 come Wednesday. Very excited about that one :D

Missed my first set of overhead press, only got four reps in at 95lbs. Having failed for the third time I think it's time to reset the overhead press too (I already reset my bench press).

Last but not least weighted chin-ups to close the workout felt great, I did two sets of 15 with a 15lb DB hanging between my feet but could only muster 10 reps on the last set.

Next workout has squats (going for PR@3x5@205lbs), bench press (3x5@135lbs) and closing out with the deadlift (going for PR@1x5@205lbs).

Fuck shrugs. Most overrated lift ever. If you want big traps then do some god damn cleans.


This. My lats and traps have exploded since I started doing cleans. Of course, I think shrugs are incorporated at higher levels of Olympic lifter training, but IIRC they're a different variety from the floor.

As for stupid shit people do in the squat rack? I've seen the following at my gym:

1.) The Romanian deadlift jumping maneuver from the safety bars
2.) Bicep curls
3.) Wrist curls
4.) Seated dumbbell overhead presses

and then there's the guy who puts all of the weight in the gym on the bar and stares at it


lol rosa, i see that guy has scarred you for life
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
May 03 2011 03:16 GMT
#4609
decaf, work with lifts from the hang or blocks.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
MajinMojo
Profile Joined October 2010
266 Posts
May 03 2011 03:23 GMT
#4610
2 form issues I noticed today.

Squats; I noticed on some of my reps that I'd get real low. Like way below parallel. But I was still able to push myself out of it. How low is too low? or does it matter? My squats felt awesome in general tho.

Powerclean; A few things. Firstly I know you should keep your elbows in for the rack position but I actually feel more comfortable if they are so in that they are actually almost touching. Is this improper technique or is it only a matter of preference. Also, I experienced the same problem I had last week. Should you be exploding every single pull? How hard of an explosion? Like jumping with 100% strength even when you are doing your warmup sets? To me that means the bar would literally fly up. But when I try to tone it down for the warmups my form is still all over the place. As I add weight my form improves because I can "feel it" or something I guess. However I hesitate to add a lot to my work sets because I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong in the warmups. This makes every single different weight I pull become a whole feeling out process to itself.

Anyway the numbers
Squat 145lbs 3x5
Press 85lbs 3x5
Powerclean 90lbs 5x3
3 set chin-up to failure 9,8,5 I think it was
1mi run

Like I said, I'm uncertain whether I should add weight with powercleans or perform the reps better with lower weight. I cleaned up to 135 lbs just last week (before I got my new squat rack) and it was the cleanest err clean that I've ever performed. Idk hard to explain. Just curious if anyone else has noticed this at some point in their own powercleans. Like there are some things that can only be corrected by adding adequate resistance. Does the powerclean motion work on that principle?
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 03 2011 03:33 GMT
#4611
Phew. Down with day 1 week 2. I don't feel any progress. WOrk was just insane >.> Still, very rewarding.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
May 03 2011 03:35 GMT
#4612
On May 03 2011 12:33 Froadac wrote:
Phew. Down with day 1 week 2. I don't feel any progress. WOrk was just insane >.> Still, very rewarding.


If you don't feel any progress you should be keeping a log of the weight(s) you use every workout at least in a text/excel file if not posting them here.

You'll see that you make progress, and that it adds up quickly
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
May 03 2011 03:38 GMT
#4613
On May 03 2011 12:35 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 12:33 Froadac wrote:
Phew. Down with day 1 week 2. I don't feel any progress. WOrk was just insane >.> Still, very rewarding.


If you don't feel any progress you should be keeping a log of the weight(s) you use every workout at least in a text/excel file if not posting them here.

You'll see that you make progress, and that it adds up quickly

OK, I'll write it up and post it. I'll make a google docs spreadsheet even
sawedust
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
May 03 2011 03:41 GMT
#4614
On May 03 2011 12:33 Froadac wrote:
Phew. Down with day 1 week 2. I don't feel any progress. WOrk was just insane >.> Still, very rewarding.


Sometimes you don't feel any progress... the weight increases were just a natural transition for me. Within a month my squat went from 125 to 195. You may not see or feel it at first, but trust me the growth will come.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
May 03 2011 03:53 GMT
#4615
On May 03 2011 12:23 MajinMojo wrote:
2 form issues I noticed today.

Squats; I noticed on some of my reps that I'd get real low. Like way below parallel. But I was still able to push myself out of it. How low is too low? or does it matter? My squats felt awesome in general tho.

Powerclean; A few things. Firstly I know you should keep your elbows in for the rack position but I actually feel more comfortable if they are so in that they are actually almost touching. Is this improper technique or is it only a matter of preference. Also, I experienced the same problem I had last week. Should you be exploding every single pull? How hard of an explosion? Like jumping with 100% strength even when you are doing your warmup sets? To me that means the bar would literally fly up. But when I try to tone it down for the warmups my form is still all over the place. As I add weight my form improves because I can "feel it" or something I guess. However I hesitate to add a lot to my work sets because I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong in the warmups. This makes every single different weight I pull become a whole feeling out process to itself.

Anyway the numbers
Squat 145lbs 3x5
Press 85lbs 3x5
Powerclean 90lbs 5x3
3 set chin-up to failure 9,8,5 I think it was
1mi run

Like I said, I'm uncertain whether I should add weight with powercleans or perform the reps better with lower weight. I cleaned up to 135 lbs just last week (before I got my new squat rack) and it was the cleanest err clean that I've ever performed. Idk hard to explain. Just curious if anyone else has noticed this at some point in their own powercleans. Like there are some things that can only be corrected by adding adequate resistance. Does the powerclean motion work on that principle?


If elbows are touching, that probably means flexibility issues. I have seen lifters wit long arms with your problem. Post a video!
Also for warmup sets, you only have to pull as much to get the bar up. There is no point in overpulling. Personally I will never put the weight higher if I miss a lift. Consistency is key. Every power clean should look the same, even the warmup sets.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
May 03 2011 04:05 GMT
#4616
On May 03 2011 10:12 Froadac wrote:
How much should I be increasing how much I'm lifting. SS says 10lb to start, but I'm not strong enough to really be able to do that. Just around 5lb or so?

Week 2 begins :D



Eat more? It doesn't work like that, the weaker you are, the faster you can add weight, not the other way around.


Actually though it depends on what your squats are looking like; if your technique isn't totally solidified and your flexibility isn't good enough to get proper depth every single rep without having to wonder about it, adding less weight can be a decent idea. Need videos.
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 04:09:55
May 03 2011 04:07 GMT
#4617
On May 03 2011 12:38 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 12:35 eshlow wrote:
On May 03 2011 12:33 Froadac wrote:
Phew. Down with day 1 week 2. I don't feel any progress. WOrk was just insane >.> Still, very rewarding.


If you don't feel any progress you should be keeping a log of the weight(s) you use every workout at least in a text/excel file if not posting them here.

You'll see that you make progress, and that it adds up quickly

OK, I'll write it up and post it. I'll make a google docs spreadsheet even

How should I format it?

Is https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhNskixPW9hQdE9PX0ZSZFRJZUJBRHRQUzZHT3NwMmc&hl=en&authkey=COC5sqwI ok?

The reason I can't add much weight now is because my numbers are so low. I'm adding a large amount of mass, percentage wise. But not absolute weight.

I think my squats are fine. I've been doing no added weight squats for a long time, but my technique is fine. Just the weight.
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 03 2011 04:08 GMT
#4618
On May 03 2011 04:08 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 02:33 decafchicken wrote:
On May 02 2011 22:49 funkie wrote:
finals numbers of SS:

Deadlift: 140kg
Squat: 120kg
Bench Press: 80kg
PowerClean: 72kg (1xbw)
Press: 65kg
Clean and Jerk: 50kg
Initial weight: 60kg. Ending end weight: 73kg


I'm starting Advanced novice thingy today. So yay for me, and yay for you all . keep it up.


Very respectable numbers!! And all around sick gains. Do you remember what you started off at?


deadlift wasn't even 50kg, I felt like dying.
Squat: 20kg (the bar)
Brnch Press: like 40kg
Pc: 20kg
Press: 20kg
Clean and jerk like 30kg.


rofl that is some ridiculous progress.
How long were you on SS?
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 03 2011 04:12 GMT
#4619
On May 03 2011 13:07 Froadac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2011 12:38 Froadac wrote:
On May 03 2011 12:35 eshlow wrote:
On May 03 2011 12:33 Froadac wrote:
Phew. Down with day 1 week 2. I don't feel any progress. WOrk was just insane >.> Still, very rewarding.


If you don't feel any progress you should be keeping a log of the weight(s) you use every workout at least in a text/excel file if not posting them here.

You'll see that you make progress, and that it adds up quickly

OK, I'll write it up and post it. I'll make a google docs spreadsheet even

How should I format it?

Is https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhNskixPW9hQdE9PX0ZSZFRJZUJBRHRQUzZHT3NwMmc&hl=en&authkey=COC5sqwI ok?

The reason I can't add much weight now is because my numbers are so low. I'm adding a large amount of mass, percentage wise. But not absolute weight.

I think my squats are fine. I've been doing no added weight squats for a long time, but my technique is fine. Just the weight.


I think this is fine overall. I would avoid commas b/c you'll eventually want to graph this out. Just put down one weight that you think you're "AT"
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
May 03 2011 04:13 GMT
#4620
On May 03 2011 09:11 Cambium wrote:
Press: 120x5x3 cleared
Squat: 245x5x3 cleared, hopefully I'll get over my 250 plateau next session
PC: 2-2-2-2-1 @ 155, lol fail


Press is such a whoreeeeeeeee
GL on squat!
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