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sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 11:59:42
April 01 2011 11:50 GMT
#2881
I present to you, the one and only, Jón Páll Sigmarsson. One of the greatest athletes Iceland has bred and born; superior bodybuilder, powerlifter and strongman.

[image loading]





Now get out there and do some heavy ass lifting!
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
April 01 2011 12:34 GMT
#2882
On April 01 2011 13:56 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Anyway, today and yesterday both I learned a hard lesson: not all beef is created equal in terms of caloric content.

I went to the store and bought [i]gyuu karubi[i] and gyuu bara. Karubi is short ribs and bara means boned ribs.

Well, apparently, karubi has something like 2000 calories for 300 grams while bara has like 1200 calories for 250 grams. On the day that I ate the shortribs I had nothing else but veggies so that was probably cool, and today I just ate the bara as my first meal to break a 17 hour fast, but tonight I'll have sweet potatoes and chicken.

I had no idea that this stuff had such high caloric content ... no wonder it's the only cheap beef at the store. While the calories are pure gold with 80% saturated fat 20% protein (yum), it just has ridiculously high calories.


wow wtf, 2000kcal for 300 grams? it's gotta be like 60-70% fat for that be true :O
bacon, which is on average ~35% fat is less than 400kcal/100grams
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 12:56:53
April 01 2011 12:56 GMT
#2883
On April 01 2011 12:33 Cambium wrote:
Squat: 245: 5-5-5
DL: 285, I'm hoping to get over 300 by next session... (I was here in Jan. before I pulled my back -___-)



you big putahen!

I thought your squat was higher than mine. (is actually the same now ;P)

your DL certainly is lol ;D
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
April 01 2011 13:06 GMT
#2884
On April 01 2011 21:34 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 13:56 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Anyway, today and yesterday both I learned a hard lesson: not all beef is created equal in terms of caloric content.

I went to the store and bought [i]gyuu karubi[i] and gyuu bara. Karubi is short ribs and bara means boned ribs.

Well, apparently, karubi has something like 2000 calories for 300 grams while bara has like 1200 calories for 250 grams. On the day that I ate the shortribs I had nothing else but veggies so that was probably cool, and today I just ate the bara as my first meal to break a 17 hour fast, but tonight I'll have sweet potatoes and chicken.

I had no idea that this stuff had such high caloric content ... no wonder it's the only cheap beef at the store. While the calories are pure gold with 80% saturated fat 20% protein (yum), it just has ridiculously high calories.


wow wtf, 2000kcal for 300 grams? it's gotta be like 60-70% fat for that be true :O
bacon, which is on average ~35% fat is less than 400kcal/100grams


80% fat, 20% protein ... it's ridiculously high in fat.

Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 13:19:40
April 01 2011 13:18 GMT
#2885
On April 01 2011 21:56 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 12:33 Cambium wrote:
Squat: 245: 5-5-5
DL: 285, I'm hoping to get over 300 by next session... (I was here in Jan. before I pulled my back -___-)



you big putahen!

I thought your squat was higher than mine. (is actually the same now ;P)

your DL certainly is lol ;D


I was at 225 in dec last year, but then I did a reset and started doing hardcore deep squats (while fixing forms etc.), and I had a pulled back from DL for a bit.

All in all, I'm happy with my progress

How much do you weigh now? I weighed myself at night, and I was 78 kg (172)
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
April 01 2011 14:26 GMT
#2886
On April 01 2011 22:06 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 21:34 Sinep wrote:
On April 01 2011 13:56 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Anyway, today and yesterday both I learned a hard lesson: not all beef is created equal in terms of caloric content.

I went to the store and bought [i]gyuu karubi[i] and gyuu bara. Karubi is short ribs and bara means boned ribs.

Well, apparently, karubi has something like 2000 calories for 300 grams while bara has like 1200 calories for 250 grams. On the day that I ate the shortribs I had nothing else but veggies so that was probably cool, and today I just ate the bara as my first meal to break a 17 hour fast, but tonight I'll have sweet potatoes and chicken.

I had no idea that this stuff had such high caloric content ... no wonder it's the only cheap beef at the store. While the calories are pure gold with 80% saturated fat 20% protein (yum), it just has ridiculously high calories.


wow wtf, 2000kcal for 300 grams? it's gotta be like 60-70% fat for that be true :O
bacon, which is on average ~35% fat is less than 400kcal/100grams


80% fat, 20% protein ... it's ridiculously high in fat.



that shit has to be more oil than meat :O
Michaelj
Profile Joined February 2008
United States186 Posts
April 01 2011 14:44 GMT
#2887
On April 01 2011 09:14 eshlow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 08:53 radiaL wrote:
On April 01 2011 08:07 eshlow wrote:
On April 01 2011 07:05 radiaL wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:04 eshlow wrote:
Great post from Kurt Harris on redefining ''Paleo" in regards to eating well/health

http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2011/3/30/paleo-20-a-diet-manifesto.html



le quote from le article:

2) Many are aware that 6:3 ratio is important, so they try to compensate by taking fish oil to balance the 6:3 ratio. This doesn’t really work too well – you can’t realistically eat that much fish, and if you take fish oil supplements, you now exacerbate the second and more important problem with excess n-6, which is your total PUFA intake. High total PUFA, especially including the highly unstable n-3, leads to oxidative damage to your cells. Your arteries, liver and other organs don't appreciate extra oxidative damage.

The way to correct the modern excess of n-6 or linoleic acid is to avoid the modern sources of it. Stop eating all temperate vegetable oils – cooking and frying oils like corn, soy, canola, flax, all of it. And go easy on the nuts and factory chicken. These are big sources of n-6, especially the nuts and nut oils.


so.. is coconut oil okay? It's not a vegetable right? -_-
and what is factory chicken?
and what about the fish oil supps? is he saying not to take them?


Yes, coconut oil is mostly saturated fat, so yes good.

Most vegetable/nut oils are high in PUFAs... you have to look at nutrition facts (which you can google now so ez haha) which will tell you about the content. THere are some good vegetable oils like coconut and olive but most are pretty terrible.

Ok, sweet. Is he also implying to consistently try to steer away from all nuts?

Factory chicken is pretty much any chicken nowdays... where theyre fed grains so they have terrible o3/o6 ratios in the fat. Unless he's talkingabout something like McD"s chicken nuggets...

Blast. This is what I was afraid of. It's such a big part of my diet.

With fish oil he is saying you shouldn't eat garbage and stay away from fish oil. Practically, I don't think everyone is going to go super strict as evidenced in this thread which is why fish oil may help. But fish oil is also not a reason to eat super terrible and then bomb yourself to "make up for eating bad." If you're gonna take any take low doses and eat healthy most of the time.

Thanks for the clarification! What do you mean by low doses by the way? You've mentioned that you take 3g/day somewhere and that's what I've been averaging.


Thanks for the reply <3


Nuts are OK... but a lot of people go overboard. Some are fine. I mean, if you were out in the wild how many nuts would your really eat? Having to gather and crack them from their shells.

I know Harris prefers to avoid fish oil altogether. I probably wouldn't exceed .5g per 10 lbs per day unless you were like obese or something trying to get all the PUFAs in the body fat in line.

I know Robb and Poliquin and some other people have different opinions on this matter.

I don't see the harm in doing <10g/day really if diet is decent and fish oil is taken with meals so the body doesn't oxidize it for energy.

Wouldn't worry too much.... supplements are supplements. Leave them to be as such and don't rely on them to be a major factor in your diet and you'll be good


What's the problem with taking fish oil on an empty stomach? I usually take them on an empty stomach and don't eat for a good 5-6 hours afterwards... =\ it's so hard to find good information on supplements online
---
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
April 01 2011 14:50 GMT
#2888
On April 01 2011 22:18 Cambium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 21:56 funkie wrote:
On April 01 2011 12:33 Cambium wrote:
Squat: 245: 5-5-5
DL: 285, I'm hoping to get over 300 by next session... (I was here in Jan. before I pulled my back -___-)



you big putahen!

I thought your squat was higher than mine. (is actually the same now ;P)

your DL certainly is lol ;D


I was at 225 in dec last year, but then I did a reset and started doing hardcore deep squats (while fixing forms etc.), and I had a pulled back from DL for a bit.

All in all, I'm happy with my progress

How much do you weigh now? I weighed myself at night, and I was 78 kg (172)


I'm sure, i'm not over 72kg .

can't get pass it
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
nastyndog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States43 Posts
April 01 2011 15:01 GMT
#2889
On April 01 2011 05:55 Zafrumi wrote:
i'm actually trying to talk a female friend of mine into lifting as well. its not easy, she is very scared of becoming all muscular and stuff hehe. gonna have to take it easy!



The women that you see that are all bulky are either 1) on steroids or 2) their size isn't muscle, its fat. Women don't have enough testosterone to trigger large gains in muscle mass. Remember that a lot of strength gains have to do with not just the size of the muscle, but the efficiency of the energy processes as well as the ability of the CNS to send strong enough signals to get the full power out of your muscles (basically). Both men and women can get significantly stronger without any noticeable increase in muscle mass.

I think a lot of us know this already but convincing the women in our lives that its actually true is another story!
"I whip my hair grack and forth" - Day9
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
April 01 2011 15:32 GMT
#2890
Been having some lower back pains. My tailbone hurts like a motherfucker. Anyone know any good stretches I can do for my lower back? I think it's the squat that's really hurting it. I'm glad I get a two days break today.

Failed at my benchpress today and caused a bit of a ruckus. It had a little to do with the lower back pain. It affected my squats and overall day at the gym today. My form was shite though. Well at least on the way up (everything else was good). The bar wasn't moving smoothly up and down, and I was putting more force in one arm then the other. In my last few reps, it FELT like I could make it but half way up my arms sort of just gave way and the barbell fell on my chest. Legs comically flew in the air and the weights on each end slid off. I hate benchpresses.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Zafrumi
Profile Joined June 2009
Switzerland1272 Posts
April 01 2011 15:34 GMT
#2891
On April 02 2011 00:01 nastyndog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 05:55 Zafrumi wrote:
i'm actually trying to talk a female friend of mine into lifting as well. its not easy, she is very scared of becoming all muscular and stuff hehe. gonna have to take it easy!


I think a lot of us know this already but convincing the women in our lives that its actually true is another story!


word
"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people and more useful in general" -Mark Rippetoe
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
April 01 2011 17:46 GMT
#2892
I have not eatten in 21 hours, and I feel pretty good now. Dropped like 2.5 kg in 2 days
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 18:28:33
April 01 2011 18:27 GMT
#2893
On April 02 2011 00:32 Warrior Madness wrote:
Been having some lower back pains. My tailbone hurts like a motherfucker. Anyone know any good stretches I can do for my lower back? I think it's the squat that's really hurting it. I'm glad I get a two days break today.

Failed at my benchpress today and caused a bit of a ruckus. It had a little to do with the lower back pain. It affected my squats and overall day at the gym today. My form was shite though. Well at least on the way up (everything else was good). The bar wasn't moving smoothly up and down, and I was putting more force in one arm then the other. In my last few reps, it FELT like I could make it but half way up my arms sort of just gave way and the barbell fell on my chest. Legs comically flew in the air and the weights on each end slid off. I hate benchpresses.


"Downwardfacing dog" and "bridge pose" are both really good exercises for stretching/strengthening your back. That's personal experience from doing yoga.

Re: bench
Use clamps on the ends, and get a spot... that sounded pretty dangerous and could have ended badly.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Slithe
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States985 Posts
April 01 2011 18:37 GMT
#2894
On April 01 2011 22:06 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 21:34 Sinep wrote:
On April 01 2011 13:56 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Anyway, today and yesterday both I learned a hard lesson: not all beef is created equal in terms of caloric content.

I went to the store and bought [i]gyuu karubi[i] and gyuu bara. Karubi is short ribs and bara means boned ribs.

Well, apparently, karubi has something like 2000 calories for 300 grams while bara has like 1200 calories for 250 grams. On the day that I ate the shortribs I had nothing else but veggies so that was probably cool, and today I just ate the bara as my first meal to break a 17 hour fast, but tonight I'll have sweet potatoes and chicken.

I had no idea that this stuff had such high caloric content ... no wonder it's the only cheap beef at the store. While the calories are pure gold with 80% saturated fat 20% protein (yum), it just has ridiculously high calories.


wow wtf, 2000kcal for 300 grams? it's gotta be like 60-70% fat for that be true :O
bacon, which is on average ~35% fat is less than 400kcal/100grams


80% fat, 20% protein ... it's ridiculously high in fat.



Hey Rosa, if possible, can you take a picture of the meat and upload it here? I'm kind of curious what your beef looks like, because I've never heard of a beef cut that's 80% fat. Usually it's no higher than 30%, and that's really on the high side.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 18:46:26
April 01 2011 18:46 GMT
#2895
On April 02 2011 03:27 Cambium wrote:

"Downwardfacing dog" and "bridge pose" are both really good exercises for stretching/strengthening your back. That's personal experience from doing yoga.

Re: bench
Use clamps on the ends, and get a spot... that sounded pretty dangerous and could have ended badly.


I do something like the downward facing dog before I go to bed. That's the p90x "yoga x" in me doing that. I'll try that bridge pose.

I never use clamps at the ends exactly for safety reasons, so if my set does dail I don't get stuck under weights I can't lift off my chest. I think I do need a spotter though and I need to reset/progress a lot more slowly.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
vicariouscheese
Profile Joined June 2010
United States589 Posts
April 01 2011 20:25 GMT
#2896
Yeah actually if you don't have a spotter, no clamps would probably be better so you can dump the weight if you fail. I hate not having clamps though just because if one side moves like a centimeter it bothers me even if it's not noticeable during a rep :/

I think I'm going to need to ask random kids to spot now starting at 185x3x5... also will probably need to buy some ~1 pound weights to microload that after I need to reset.
Michaelj
Profile Joined February 2008
United States186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-01 20:35:38
April 01 2011 20:34 GMT
#2897
http://www.mcmaster.com/#91081a046/=bovahe

I've heard that these fit well on olympic barbells and are .625 pounds each (so 4 will be 2.5 lbs, which are usually available). I bought 6, but haven't had the chance to try them out. It was $16 shipped for me.

I ask people to spot for me on my last work set, and I don't think they mind too much, it takes like 30 seconds.
---
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
April 01 2011 20:57 GMT
#2898
On April 02 2011 03:46 Warrior Madness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2011 03:27 Cambium wrote:

"Downwardfacing dog" and "bridge pose" are both really good exercises for stretching/strengthening your back. That's personal experience from doing yoga.

Re: bench
Use clamps on the ends, and get a spot... that sounded pretty dangerous and could have ended badly.


I do something like the downward facing dog before I go to bed. That's the p90x "yoga x" in me doing that. I'll try that bridge pose.

I never use clamps at the ends exactly for safety reasons, so if my set does dail I don't get stuck under weights I can't lift off my chest. I think I do need a spotter though and I need to reset/progress a lot more slowly.


It's "safer" but I hate not having clamps because it actually really bothers me thinking that the plates might move. I always get someone to spot for me (just anyone walking by) if I'm alone.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
April 01 2011 22:11 GMT
#2899
On April 01 2011 23:44 Michaelj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 09:14 eshlow wrote:
On April 01 2011 08:53 radiaL wrote:
On April 01 2011 08:07 eshlow wrote:
On April 01 2011 07:05 radiaL wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:04 eshlow wrote:
Great post from Kurt Harris on redefining ''Paleo" in regards to eating well/health

http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2011/3/30/paleo-20-a-diet-manifesto.html



le quote from le article:

2) Many are aware that 6:3 ratio is important, so they try to compensate by taking fish oil to balance the 6:3 ratio. This doesn’t really work too well – you can’t realistically eat that much fish, and if you take fish oil supplements, you now exacerbate the second and more important problem with excess n-6, which is your total PUFA intake. High total PUFA, especially including the highly unstable n-3, leads to oxidative damage to your cells. Your arteries, liver and other organs don't appreciate extra oxidative damage.

The way to correct the modern excess of n-6 or linoleic acid is to avoid the modern sources of it. Stop eating all temperate vegetable oils – cooking and frying oils like corn, soy, canola, flax, all of it. And go easy on the nuts and factory chicken. These are big sources of n-6, especially the nuts and nut oils.


so.. is coconut oil okay? It's not a vegetable right? -_-
and what is factory chicken?
and what about the fish oil supps? is he saying not to take them?


Yes, coconut oil is mostly saturated fat, so yes good.

Most vegetable/nut oils are high in PUFAs... you have to look at nutrition facts (which you can google now so ez haha) which will tell you about the content. THere are some good vegetable oils like coconut and olive but most are pretty terrible.

Ok, sweet. Is he also implying to consistently try to steer away from all nuts?

Factory chicken is pretty much any chicken nowdays... where theyre fed grains so they have terrible o3/o6 ratios in the fat. Unless he's talkingabout something like McD"s chicken nuggets...

Blast. This is what I was afraid of. It's such a big part of my diet.

With fish oil he is saying you shouldn't eat garbage and stay away from fish oil. Practically, I don't think everyone is going to go super strict as evidenced in this thread which is why fish oil may help. But fish oil is also not a reason to eat super terrible and then bomb yourself to "make up for eating bad." If you're gonna take any take low doses and eat healthy most of the time.

Thanks for the clarification! What do you mean by low doses by the way? You've mentioned that you take 3g/day somewhere and that's what I've been averaging.


Thanks for the reply <3


Nuts are OK... but a lot of people go overboard. Some are fine. I mean, if you were out in the wild how many nuts would your really eat? Having to gather and crack them from their shells.

I know Harris prefers to avoid fish oil altogether. I probably wouldn't exceed .5g per 10 lbs per day unless you were like obese or something trying to get all the PUFAs in the body fat in line.

I know Robb and Poliquin and some other people have different opinions on this matter.

I don't see the harm in doing <10g/day really if diet is decent and fish oil is taken with meals so the body doesn't oxidize it for energy.

Wouldn't worry too much.... supplements are supplements. Leave them to be as such and don't rely on them to be a major factor in your diet and you'll be good


What's the problem with taking fish oil on an empty stomach? I usually take them on an empty stomach and don't eat for a good 5-6 hours afterwards... =\ it's so hard to find good information on supplements online


Because when you digest it you want it to compete with the other PUFAs (specfically n-6s).

If you eat them on an empty stomach especially when hungry your body is going to start to process them as energy for its cells instead of as where they'll typically be used for the anti-inflammatory processes you want.

Basically, it's like the fact if you don't eat enough and your body starts to use the protein in your diet for energy purposes instead of incoporating it into your muscles if you're trying to bulk.

On April 02 2011 00:32 Warrior Madness wrote:
Been having some lower back pains. My tailbone hurts like a motherfucker. Anyone know any good stretches I can do for my lower back? I think it's the squat that's really hurting it. I'm glad I get a two days break today.

Failed at my benchpress today and caused a bit of a ruckus. It had a little to do with the lower back pain. It affected my squats and overall day at the gym today. My form was shite though. Well at least on the way up (everything else was good). The bar wasn't moving smoothly up and down, and I was putting more force in one arm then the other. In my last few reps, it FELT like I could make it but half way up my arms sort of just gave way and the barbell fell on my chest. Legs comically flew in the air and the weights on each end slid off. I hate benchpresses.


I list a bunch of decent mobility stuff here.... see if any help out

http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/02/so-you-hurt-your-lower-back/
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-02 00:12:40
April 01 2011 23:48 GMT
#2900
Thanks eshlow, sick link. Gonna try everything until something works. I think you should put that in the OP. Pretty useful article, especially for novice lifters.

ETA: Is there any danger of my aggravating anything by trying out all the exercises? I still am not sure why my back hurts. My tail bone hurts and it hurts around it but it's not persistent. Only when I bend a certain way does it hurt. It's like a light pulsing pain, doesn't radiate to my legs. I think it might just be strained muscles because the pain dims as the days pass by. However, I first started feeling pain in my lower back during a squat a few days ago. And those were shooting, stabbing pains as I was finishing the last set (Though I was able to finish it with good form).
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
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