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Leangains
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
February 26 2011 20:39 GMT
#1981
Let me hijack the discussion here for a sec with a copy-paste of something I just wrote on my FB wall:

"SC2 is an extremely complex and fascinating game that lends itself to deep analysis & theorycrafting (the SC equivalent to what we call labcoating in training & nutrition).

HOWEVER, there are also some striking similarities in behavior when approaching the game & learning various strategies and such. Much like the confused noob will try all fancy supplements in the world & advanced training splits without even having gained a decent strength base & obsess about trivial nutritional issues, it's easy as a beginner in SC2 to get sidetracked by advanced strategies & micromanagement without even having good game mechanics & macromanagement (I did so myself).

I see TONS of similarities in how I approached SC2 as a noob & how the Average Joe/noob/hell even you guys do it, approaches strength training & nutrition, i.e. going right into advanced shit without having the basics down (even if you THINK you have them down). Hell I need to write an article on this."

Just a little something to think about.

I'm the guy from www.leangains.com btw (lurking here everyday, mainly on the strategy forum)
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
February 26 2011 21:24 GMT
#1982
106 squat
70kg power clean (pr and 1x bw!)
55 kg clean

Whos your daddy.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
February 26 2011 21:39 GMT
#1983
On February 27 2011 05:39 Leangains wrote:
Let me hijack the discussion here for a sec with a copy-paste of something I just wrote on my FB wall:

"SC2 is an extremely complex and fascinating game that lends itself to deep analysis & theorycrafting (the SC equivalent to what we call labcoating in training & nutrition).

HOWEVER, there are also some striking similarities in behavior when approaching the game & learning various strategies and such. Much like the confused noob will try all fancy supplements in the world & advanced training splits without even having gained a decent strength base & obsess about trivial nutritional issues, it's easy as a beginner in SC2 to get sidetracked by advanced strategies & micromanagement without even having good game mechanics & macromanagement (I did so myself).

I see TONS of similarities in how I approached SC2 as a noob & how the Average Joe/noob/hell even you guys do it, approaches strength training & nutrition, i.e. going right into advanced shit without having the basics down (even if you THINK you have them down). Hell I need to write an article on this."

Just a little something to think about.

I'm the guy from www.leangains.com btw (lurking here everyday, mainly on the strategy forum)


I was thinking about this the other day. I know tons of people who play SC2 and never progress in skill, similarly to I know many people who work out and who never make progress. I believe it has to do with the mentality and the determination of the individual. Many people will play sc2/workout without making progress, and yet still be content. I believe such a person wants to achieve greater things both in fitness and sc2, but lack either the knowledge or personality to make it happen; they'd be happy if it just fell into their laps. The people who are willing to make it happen are a minority, but this is true for all aspects of life imo.

Incidentally, I wanted to ask you a question about your fasting methods with regard to sleep pattern. Say you rise around 8am and your eating window is 12pm-8pm everyday; what happens if then said individual sleeps until 10-11am and then still breaks the fast at 12pm? Technically, it's still a 16 hour fast, but what are the effects on the hormone levels and such? You can't really do much in the hour before you eat if you keep that window constant, would a better alternative be to delay eating for a few hours on such occasions? I was curious to pick your mind on this issue.

P.S. I'll coach you in SC2 if you coach me in training
Leangains
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden13 Posts
February 26 2011 22:07 GMT
#1984
On February 27 2011 06:39 Sinep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2011 05:39 Leangains wrote:
Let me hijack the discussion here for a sec with a copy-paste of something I just wrote on my FB wall:

"SC2 is an extremely complex and fascinating game that lends itself to deep analysis & theorycrafting (the SC equivalent to what we call labcoating in training & nutrition).

HOWEVER, there are also some striking similarities in behavior when approaching the game & learning various strategies and such. Much like the confused noob will try all fancy supplements in the world & advanced training splits without even having gained a decent strength base & obsess about trivial nutritional issues, it's easy as a beginner in SC2 to get sidetracked by advanced strategies & micromanagement without even having good game mechanics & macromanagement (I did so myself).

I see TONS of similarities in how I approached SC2 as a noob & how the Average Joe/noob/hell even you guys do it, approaches strength training & nutrition, i.e. going right into advanced shit without having the basics down (even if you THINK you have them down). Hell I need to write an article on this."

Just a little something to think about.

I'm the guy from www.leangains.com btw (lurking here everyday, mainly on the strategy forum)


I was thinking about this the other day. I know tons of people who play SC2 and never progress in skill, similarly to I know many people who work out and who never make progress. I believe it has to do with the mentality and the determination of the individual. Many people will play sc2/workout without making progress, and yet still be content. I believe such a person wants to achieve greater things both in fitness and sc2, but lack either the knowledge or personality to make it happen; they'd be happy if it just fell into their laps. The people who are willing to make it happen are a minority, but this is true for all aspects of life imo.

Incidentally, I wanted to ask you a question about your fasting methods with regard to sleep pattern. Say you rise around 8am and your eating window is 12pm-8pm everyday; what happens if then said individual sleeps until 10-11am and then still breaks the fast at 12pm? Technically, it's still a 16 hour fast, but what are the effects on the hormone levels and such? You can't really do much in the hour before you eat if you keep that window constant, would a better alternative be to delay eating for a few hours on such occasions? I was curious to pick your mind on this issue.

P.S. I'll coach you in SC2 if you coach me in training


1. Yes.

Example: my beginner mistake in SC2 - one which is very similar to that which I see beginners make in fitness & nutrition - is that of just going through the motions & expect something magic to happen without a methodological approach.

If you want to get lean & strong, i.e. go beyond Average Joe lean & strong, then you better invest time in knowing & tracking your calorie intake and macros & have a structured and sound training regimen.

Similar to SC2 you can't just expect to go from Diamond to Masters without some conscious practice (of build orders, game mechanics, etc) & analysis of replays, etc.

And then there's the issue of starting in the wrong end when you don't really have basic & good game mechanics - I did this - similar to how people try fancy diets & supps & training routines when they haven't spent a week doing basic calorie counting, etc.

2. I wouldn't worry or nitpicking too mcuh about eating at set times every single days as long as you are somewhat consistent generally speaking, i.e. if you wake at 11 am & usually eat at 12 am but ain't hungry, you most certainly can delay that a few hours without anything bad happening.

However, being somewhat consistent in regards to your habitual eating pattern may be beneficial in terms of appetite control, as your body adapts (hormonally; via ghrelin) to that exact pattern. One day of deviating won't screw anything up though - I do this myself quite often.

For more on meal entrainment & ghrelin, read:

http://www.leangains.com/2009/08/ghrelin-and-entrained-meal-patterns.html
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20074 Posts
February 26 2011 22:16 GMT
#1985
On February 26 2011 14:43 Energies wrote:
Just before I walked out yesterday I went past the pullup bar, stopped looked at it.. "you're going down mofo" Grabbed a 15kg dumbbell stuck it between my legs, did a set of 20, dropped the weights and did 5 more.

True story.


Jesus i can barely do 20 bodyweight chin ups

On February 26 2011 22:39 sJarl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 09:36 decafchicken wrote:




GET SOME


o.O sick stuff.

ps. my gf thinks you have small calves lol


Tell her its not my fault we can't all be huge icelandic beasts Besides, they might be small but they're ripped and get me around on the rugby pitch ^_^
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4729 Posts
February 26 2011 22:46 GMT
#1986
On February 26 2011 09:36 decafchicken wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiuzhwAHvGk

GET SOME


Gratz dude, that's awesome.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20074 Posts
February 26 2011 23:11 GMT
#1987
WHERE YOU BEEN MALINOR?
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
February 26 2011 23:52 GMT
#1988
On February 27 2011 07:16 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 14:43 Energies wrote:
Just before I walked out yesterday I went past the pullup bar, stopped looked at it.. "you're going down mofo" Grabbed a 15kg dumbbell stuck it between my legs, did a set of 20, dropped the weights and did 5 more.

True story.


Jesus i can barely do 20 bodyweight chin ups

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 22:39 sJarl wrote:
On February 26 2011 09:36 decafchicken wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiuzhwAHvGk

GET SOME


o.O sick stuff.

ps. my gf thinks you have small calves lol


Tell her its not my fault we can't all be huge icelandic beasts Besides, they might be small but they're ripped and get me around on the rugby pitch ^_^


No worries, she even complains that mine are small aswell (albeit the reasoning that followed was that my hams/quads made them small in comparison)...but I don't think she'll be happy until they pass the size of Benni.

Not looking forward to the next Coan Philipi session tomorrow. 8 sets of 3 @ 142,5kg speed deads TT
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
noko
Profile Joined January 2010
United States7 Posts
February 27 2011 00:11 GMT
#1989
On February 27 2011 07:07 Leangains wrote:
Example: my beginner mistake in SC2 - one which is very similar to that which I see beginners make in fitness & nutrition - is that of just going through the motions & expect something magic to happen without a methodological approach.
...
Similar to SC2 you can't just expect to go from Diamond to Masters without some conscious practice (of build orders, game mechanics, etc) & analysis of replays, etc.


i believe this concept is called 'deliberate practice' or 'deliberate effort'.
Some things show up on google, http://www.google.com/search?&q=deliberate effort in skill acquisition
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
February 27 2011 00:26 GMT
#1990
I spend 2 hours on this instead of doing hw

by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
rEiGN~
Profile Joined September 2010
369 Posts
February 27 2011 02:40 GMT
#1991
^ can that jerking finish in squats (in the beginning) be a good idea?…
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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
February 27 2011 03:50 GMT
#1992
On February 26 2011 09:36 decafchicken wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiuzhwAHvGk

GET SOME


Dude nice lift O_________O Your shoulders are like crazy big lol
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 04:31:31
February 27 2011 04:05 GMT
#1993
On February 27 2011 11:40 rEiGN~ wrote:
^ can that jerking finish in squats (in the beginning) be a good idea?…


I dunno...doesnt seem like a big deal..

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by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
frawress
Profile Joined February 2011
United States22 Posts
February 27 2011 06:58 GMT
#1994
Hm, last 2 times I've squatted my legs get super sore by the time I finish my warmup sets (20lb,30lb,40lb 1x5's). Any opinions on why this might be happening?
doktorLucifer
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States855 Posts
February 27 2011 08:42 GMT
#1995
I'm training to gain weight and I'm making some progress, but I am only on campus (where the only gym I have access to is) 4 times a week. I'm sure it's not such a great idea to lift two consecutive days, so I'm just lifting M/W.

In the last 1.5ish months, I brought my lifts from

squat: 3x5x120 lbs
deadlift: 1x5x155
bench: 3x5x95

to

squat: 3x5x145
deadlift: 1x5x175
bench: 3x5x120

If I can only lift twice a week, are there any sort of adjustments I can make to make the most out these sessions? Sometimes, I don't even have the time or energy to bench after squatting and deadlifting.
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
February 27 2011 09:03 GMT
#1996
Make sure you're finding time to overhead press. My shoulders were far behind my chest and it really limits the ability to bench higher in the long term if you're not working both. Similarly, working the chest seems to help with my overhead press. Sure this is for the same reason, but not sure what that reason is.

Other than that, lift as often as you can, lift your ass off, and recover strong. Eat and sleep. Get big man!
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17015 Posts
February 27 2011 09:03 GMT
#1997
On February 27 2011 07:16 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2011 14:43 Energies wrote:
Just before I walked out yesterday I went past the pullup bar, stopped looked at it.. "you're going down mofo" Grabbed a 15kg dumbbell stuck it between my legs, did a set of 20, dropped the weights and did 5 more.

True story.


Jesus i can barely do 20 bodyweight chin ups


Chin ups and pull ups are some of the easiest things for me to do because I'm light as shit XD
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FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
February 27 2011 09:13 GMT
#1998
dimsum is there a reason why all the squatters in those vids were doing half squats? O.o
aka DragOn[NaS]
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-27 09:16:17
February 27 2011 09:15 GMT
#1999
On February 27 2011 17:42 doktorLucifer wrote:
I'm training to gain weight and I'm making some progress, but I am only on campus (where the only gym I have access to is) 4 times a week. I'm sure it's not such a great idea to lift two consecutive days, so I'm just lifting M/W.

In the last 1.5ish months, I brought my lifts from

squat: 3x5x120 lbs
deadlift: 1x5x155
bench: 3x5x95

to

squat: 3x5x145
deadlift: 1x5x175
bench: 3x5x120

If I can only lift twice a week, are there any sort of adjustments I can make to make the most out these sessions? Sometimes, I don't even have the time or energy to bench after squatting and deadlifting.


Why not go to school on Friday too? I mean, going to the gym isn't really convenient for anybody. I have to ride my bike 15 minutes one way, which isn't so bad, but the time does add up.

Today's workout was pretty beastly for me. At 90kg body weight:

Squat: 105kgx5x3 (olympic style with the depth and back position; gonna work my way up with this type of squat now).
Bench: 90kgx5x3 (easy)
Dead: 160kgx5x1 (hard)
Dip: 13.5kgx5x2

I can deadlift 2x BW now, which feels pretty awesome. It's probably my favorite exercise besides bench press, just because everyone fucking loves the bench press.

dimsum is there a reason why all the squatters in those vids were doing half squats? O.o


They were hitting parallel every time ... parallel and lower = legit.
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
February 27 2011 09:18 GMT
#2000
On February 27 2011 02:15 eshlow wrote:
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On February 26 2011 18:03 unknown.sam wrote:
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On February 26 2011 08:42 eshlow wrote:
On February 26 2011 02:43 unknown.sam wrote:
eshlow i'm having some recurring ac joint problems (right side)...it feels fine when i do pressing movements, but there's pain a few hours after when i mimic front raises and when i swing it to the left (from the front raise position).

any ideas as to what's causing the pain?


Under the AC joint or in/on the bone of the AC joint?

Under teh AC joint you got your supraspinatus which is aggravated ratehr easily with some movements

Like said above if its the AC joint itself usually you've had an impact injury in the past or present becaues it's held together by ligaments. So unless you've torn them you usually shouldn't have issues on the bone there.

hmmm...now that you mention it, it seems more like it's underneath the joint rather than the bone itself. and that seems perfectly logical because i never got hit in the area, but rather hurt it a few months back while on the negative portion of the bench press.

i did some research and came up with this vid + Show Spoiler +
on supraspinatus strengthening. there are obviously a lot more vids but this is the first one i had a look at.

lemme know what you think.


I wouldn't necessarioly go straight supraspinatus exercises. Avoid those for a bit and strengthen your teres minor and infraspinatus with some external rotation first.

If supra is being overuse then you don't want to be working it much at all... if the ER muscles get weak it can start recruiting supra more which is what we are going to try to see if that's the case.

If strict ER and some face pulls/horizontal pulling don't fix it up (avoid anything that hurts for now) then start to add in some supraspinatus exercises next week or so.

Also, I would suggest soft tissue work to those areas. Right posterior to the AC joint you can dig into the trap and underneath it is the supraspinatus. If you lie down on the ground and abduct your arm to about 90 degrees you can dig in and get some good loosening on supraspinatus. Do some soft tissue work for your pecs and back muscles too (see the answer to the quote above yours for how to)

wait wait wait...what are ER muscles???
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