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On September 09 2012 05:45 HelpMeInhale wrote:ClickFacts are: Darer is the 2nd strongest CIS team,behind Na'Vi and the 5th strongest in the NA+CIS+Western Europe, behind Navi,CLG,EG and col. MTW fans can make a case for mtw sharing 5/6 with Darer and even being better than Darer and they might be correct in doing so, however I personally think mtw are overrated.7th is mouz. Check the link I provided for proofs of the facts. PB and Q over any team who has attended TI2 is a joke.
You basically base your whole argument on one win against AL in a tournament, where they had three months to prepare, to put them over Mouz, who played with a stand in and knew of their participation one day before the start.
I´m sure my counter argument seems weak in comparision, but I looked into the tournament results before the TI. In the following tourneys Mouz placed at least 3rd and every time above Darer:
Online:
- The Defense II
- 2nd and 3rd Gosuleague
- Pro Dota World League
Lan:
- DH Summer
- Starladder Finals
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Thanks for the post Sphaero. Too many short-sighted haters. Same people who think cwm is a bad players.
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Mouz
3rd - Dreamhack Summer, Sweden (2012) - 2,700€
2nd - GosuLeague: season 2 (2012) - $1,000
2nd - Star Ladder: Star Series #2, Kiev (2012) - $3,000
1st - GosuLeague: season 3 (2012) - $2,500
3rd - ProDota2 World Tour Pro League (2012) - $4,000
2nd - The Defense 2 (2012) - 2,500€
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Darer
3rd - GosuLeague: season 2 (2012) - $500
4th - Star Ladder: Star Series #2, Kiev (2012) - $2,000
2nd - GosuLeague: season 3 (2012) - $1,500
1st - 4PL Play4Dota2 #8 (2012) - 400€
Looks clear to me.
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Darer does not deserve a place over any of the teams on that list. They've been given too many chances.
As for which team has problems. Really it could be tons of them, the international made it so any team which may have disbanded or swapped players months ago stuck together. There's been talk of internal problems at quantic/mtw/mouz, and of course Maelk maybe leaving (I find unlikely if they're hosting the tournament before announcing replacement). I saw some talk from Na'Vi about EG picking up Korok.
Could be anything, who knows.
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On September 09 2012 08:54 Shew wrote:
wish tobiwan was casting :p
nevertheless still excited to watch!
toby is casting from fnatic's side.
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Nice, a lot of teams for the fans to support, plus Draskyl casting. Great choices.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51436 Posts
POTM BOTTOM - logo is actually amazing haha
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I want to see team Light next season great team and can pull off some upsets!
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oh wow nice once just saw this!! Can't wait to see some PB in action :D very interesting team.
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On September 09 2012 05:45 HelpMeInhale wrote:ClickFacts are: Darer is the 2nd strongest CIS team,behind Na'Vi and the 5th strongest in the NA+CIS+Western Europe, behind Navi,CLG,EG and col. MTW fans can make a case for mtw sharing 5/6 with Darer and even being better than Darer and they might be correct in doing so, however I personally think mtw are overrated.7th is mouz. Check the link I provided for proofs of the facts. PB and Q over any team who has attended TI2 is a joke.
Wow, the fanboyism is really strong in this one. Darer has a shitload of money and an Artstyle that's been figured out by pretty much everyone. That's it. Goblak and Funnik are laughable if you compare them to any other player in this tournament. Stomping a disbanding aL with a cheesy ck + wisp combo in a bo1 doesn't mean shit. I honestly wish that G would leave them, find a decent team and kill them all again. PB and mouz both have more talent and team chemistry than Darer, i just hope they'll prove it today. As for mTw, they beat freakin navi time and time again and won dreamhack, nuff said. Mark my words, it won't be long until Artstyle's reputation fuel runs out and the Darer management starts asking for results in exchange for the ridiculous money they must be paying him. As for the tournament itself, i admit i'm not the biggest EG fan but hat's off to you for making this happen. $10k is more than decent prize money for a Dota2 online tourney. Also, to the guy that doesn't like the PB logo... wtf, taste? that's the best logo i've seen in esports, mb ROOT comes close. Now if you'll excuse me, i gotta buy my ticket. Thank you again EG for cutting idra's lunch money this week and making this happen <3. joking, joking, pls don't ban me!
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Root4Root!!!, good luck guys
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On September 09 2012 05:45 HelpMeInhale wrote:ClickFacts are: Darer is the 2nd strongest CIS team,behind Na'Vi and the 5th strongest in the NA+CIS+Western Europe, behind Navi,CLG,EG and col. MTW fans can make a case for mtw sharing 5/6 with Darer and even being better than Darer and they might be correct in doing so, however I personally think mtw are overrated.7th is mouz. Check the link I provided for proofs of the facts. PB and Q over any team who has attended TI2 is a joke.
so... Quantic beat CLG today 
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Aww, Na´Vi out and WHA in D2L.
A bit sad but perhaps makes it more equal :D
A news might be interesting, can´t find anything on twitter, homepage etc yet.
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On September 13 2012 07:52 Hondelul wrote:
Aww, Na´Vi out and WHA in D2L.
A bit sad but perhaps makes it more equal :D
A news might be interesting, can´t find anything on twitter, homepage etc yet. Honestly it's not a good time for them to have this league, especially since it's their first.
Doing it in 2-3 weeks would have been much smarter. Because I'm guessing Na'Vi won't be the only people not playing.
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EG Growing Strong!
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