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On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan.
Yeah =/ times like this make me /facepalm at all the "Idra no win? I no fan!" posts that litter the forums when Greg loses. And as always, through thick and thin, I'll be an Idra fanboy all day erey day.
Next time Greg. Next time.
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On April 30 2012 05:28 otgomni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:25 otgomni wrote:On April 30 2012 05:16 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:12 babybell wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude. im sorry, but i have been watching idra for years. if anything, his attitude has improved. so, if his attitude is what keeps you from watching him, you didnt have a clue about him in the first place. On April 30 2012 05:13 otgomni wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away. i wish he would win more, but he is still my favorite because i love his attitude. some people are awesome because of their great "good manners" (sheth, white-ra), but some are awesome because of the opposite (idra). if you dont like his attitude then move on; it is not going to change. eg may force him to hide it at tournaments, but it will never change. Are you kidding? You're blinded by your irrational love of this guy. It's not about his attitude - that really doesn't matter. It's about performance and perception. This guy is paid to do this. Sure his attitude may have improved slightly since your initial viewings, but the level of attention and prestige he continues to receive has grown considerably over the past few years. Yet, as a response, Idra makes it his personal quest to shit all over what "good sportsmanship" stands for. EG promoted this event as if it was a "clash of the titans" event, when it was really huk playing normal and Idra raging and giving up. It's more of an embarrassment to EG than to Idra himself, which is the real shame. what exactly do you find objectionable about his attitude? that he bantered with huk, or that he didn't gg, or something else? You're missing the point. His attitude doesn't matter. It's the fact he can't represent himself, his team, or the sport with any sort of respect or dignity. His actions make EG look worse. It has to do with betraying your benefactors rather than someone in his mid-twenties expressing the attitude of an angsty-teen.
idra had a worse attitude before eg took him on. i think it was sirscoots and incontrol who said that. they (EG) got in bed with idra knowing who he is. i think they are more qualified to decide whether he can represent the team.
also, incontrol said on the last SOTG that Dreamhack was upset that idra couldnt come because they lost tons of viewers. everything idra touches immediately gets an absurd number of viewers. so, apparently, the sport is doing just fine with idra's "bad" attitude.
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I agree with Idra's strategies. Think about it, if this was really Idra vs Huk EG wouldn't have had to pay for a sponsored thread. It wasn't. For all I know, Idra decided to 6 pool twice because it fits in with his personality as the community perceives it, and it generates discussion about him.
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On April 30 2012 05:33 otgomni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game.
please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you.
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On April 30 2012 05:32 Supah wrote:
So, recap for someone who didn't watch?
Game 1 - Huk gets DT, IdrA leaves, no gg.
Game 2 - Long macro game on Shakurs, Archon Toilet, Idra leaves, no gg.
Game 3 - 6 pool into Hydralisk and Nydus Worm that fails, Idra leaves, no gg.
Game 4 - 6 pool.... .... ... no gg..
Huk 4 - 0 IdrA.
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As long as there are kids and easily entertained people who, for reasons I cannot fathom, continue in supporting, defending and positively talking about IdrA, he's going to keep his job. As sad as that is. All of his antics, all his BM, his continued lack of respect and even his complete lack of successful tournament performance has apparently done nothing to diminish his market value, both for himself and for EG.
The day IdrA will vanish from the scene and the frontpages is the day the community either stops talking about him, or starts to unanimously stop condoning his behaviour. But judging from what we've seen over the last two years of SC2, this won't happen any time soon. But at some point, it will. I don't know much about the metaphysics of advertising; I realize even bad campaigns can eventually pay off, and negative attention can result in profits. But I also know that these things eventually have to end, or your brand becomes a very one-sided thing, unattractive to large parts of the market.
It may not matter much (or at all), but I as a potential customer of gaming hardware and accesories (and thus part of the target audience of sponsors) have long since stopped paying attention to anything EG. Say I need some new parts for my machine; I'd actually go so far as to choose a certain brand because they support Sheth, WhiteRa, Marineking, Socke .. you know, decent people, with a certain investment in their community. But I couldn't care less about EG. Because, quite frankly, they keep supporting the biggest annoyance in all of the western community.
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On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan.
Well, lots of fans are a little delusional about their favourite player. Maybe he used to think Idra cared about improving and becoming the best first and the BM and the attitude was mostly for show.
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On April 30 2012 05:36 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:33 otgomni wrote:On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game. please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you.
All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship at a fundamental level? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal.
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BM/controversy is +EV for Idra
it keeps him exposed to the SC2 community because his play isn't good enough to maintain relevance
next time Idra streams, he'll get 10K+ viewers. his concurrent viewership always spikes up when he BMs or is involved in some type of controversy
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Not really fun series to watch tbh, not worth it. Better watch MC vs Stephano at IPL 
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On April 30 2012 05:44 eYeball wrote:Not really fun series to watch tbh, not worth it. Better watch MC vs Stephano at IPL
Was a much better series. Watching the MC/Stephano respect grow through the games was nice as well.
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On April 30 2012 05:43 udgnim wrote:
BM/controversy is +EV for Idra
it keeps him exposed to the SC2 community because his play isn't good enough to maintain relevance
next time Idra streams, he'll get 10K+ viewers. his concurrent viewership always spikes up when he BMs or is involved in some type of controversy
He's streaming now!
4k viewers.
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On April 30 2012 05:42 otgomni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:33 otgomni wrote:On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game. please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you. All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal.
Yea, he just shit-talks the game and has a vibe around him like he doesn't even enjoy playing it, dude needs to fix his whole aura and approach to the game, and take notes from stephano's ZvP.
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On April 30 2012 05:42 otgomni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:33 otgomni wrote:On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game. please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you. All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal.
i dont think that people only dislike him because of his attitude. nor have i said that in this thread. there are plenty of reasons to dislike him, and his attitude is only one of them.
what i said was that his attitude hasn't changed in the last four years that i have been following him. so, dont say you (figuratively of course) are no longer his fan because of his attitude, because his attitude has not changed since i started watching him four or so years ago.
i expect idra to "shit in my cereal," so when he does it, im not surprised. if you are his fan expecting him not to "shit in your cereal" then you are a fan of someone that idra is not (nor has he ever been).
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On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan.
His attitude didn't change. Some former fans' perception of his attitude has.
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Entire event was made to promote eg and sponsors, abit disrespectful to be a bitch towards the people directly supporting you.
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On April 30 2012 05:36 Omri wrote:Game 1 - Huk gets DT, IdrA leaves, no gg. Game 2 - Long macro game on Shakurs, Archon Toilet, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 3 - 6 pool into Hydralisk and Nydus Worm that fails, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 4 - 6 pool.... .... ... no gg.. Huk 4 - 0 IdrA.
Amazing.
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On April 30 2012 05:49 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. His attitude didn't change. Some former fans' perception of his attitude has.
fair enough.
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On April 30 2012 05:17 Flummie wrote:
It's like IdrA doesn't care anymore. He is either going to raceswap or quit playing alltogether it seems.
If he doesn't want to quit, he should be forced to. He doesn't like the game, doesn't like the fans, doesn't like the players, doesn't know how to compete, has no interest in winning, and represents esports poorly. His continued popularity is a blight on the community, and the gigantic support community of EG, the tournaments, the sponsors, and the fans makes the whole esports endavor look amateurish. You can have a personality. You can't do what idra does.
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On April 30 2012 05:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2012 05:42 otgomni wrote:On April 30 2012 05:36 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:33 otgomni wrote:On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?
GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game. please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you. All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal. i dont think that people only dislike him because of his attitude. nor have i said that in this thread. there are plenty of reasons to dislike him, and his attitude is only one of them. what i said was that his attitude hasn't changed in the last four years that i have been following him. so, dont say you (figuratively of course) are no longer his fan because of his attitude, because his attitude has not changed since i started watching him four or so years ago. i expect idra to "shit in my cereal," so when he does it, im not surprised. if you are his fan expecting him not to "shit in your cereal" then you are a fan of someone that idra is not (nor has he ever been).
I guess that settles the argument. I have simply underestimated your obsession with Greg Fields and the persona he projects. Still, I'm left wondering how someone can appreciate someone that doesn't appreciate them, but that's a question that cannot be answered here.
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