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enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
April 29 2012 20:11 GMT
#441
I don't get it.

IdrA's job is to play this game. He plays it for like 8+ hours a day and for years by now. And he complains about protoss for like forever.

And still he doesn't know how to beat it.

Maybe he should change his practice schedule...... maybe.
1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
April 29 2012 20:12 GMT
#442
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.

You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude.
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
April 29 2012 20:13 GMT
#443
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away.
Hens
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany288 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 20:15:45
April 29 2012 20:15 GMT
#444
6 pooling on taldarim is actually probably the strat with the highest winrate vs P, its definately for IdrA vs Huk so cant blame him for that but you have to play it out properly and not as half heartedly as he did. Then never gging is just unacceptable bm, especially considering you are playing against one of your team mates. I cannot see how he gets so many fans as he is not a good player nor is he anywhere near an interesting person.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
April 29 2012 20:15 GMT
#445
Why does SirScoots and Co. organise these showmatches with IdrA?

It's not funny anymore when leaves games early, 6 pools, and rages. It's not helping your organisation, it's losing viewers and keeping eyes off your sponsers. Try PuMa vs HuK next time and we might see a decent series.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
April 29 2012 20:15 GMT
#446
Don't you guys get it? By 6 pooling, Idra proved that he is the most evil genius, now that this thread and the community are now filled with thousands of disappointed fans. We got meta-gamed hard. :p
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Heavenlee
Profile Joined April 2012
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 20:16:43
April 29 2012 20:15 GMT
#447
On April 30 2012 05:05 Akash1223 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 04:50 Heavenlee wrote:
On April 30 2012 04:48 Akash1223 wrote:
On April 30 2012 04:44 Heavenlee wrote:
On April 30 2012 04:37 Gorlin wrote:
Geez vortex is silly. Obviously I realize that its needed to beat broodlord infestor, but vortex just makes fights so dumb.


People will whine about anything. What do you do you want protoss v zerg late game to look like then? Vortex forces position jockeying, looking for openings, knowing when to engage, etc. That entire late game were them looking for holes in each other's position and making small trades while fighting for expansions. That seems to be about the best you can expect from protoss v zerg late game. Sorry that it's not a four-screen-wide battle of constant feedback, fungals, carriers, broodlords, and voidrays?


If there was no vortex, PvZ late game would look more like TvZ late game. P would have to rely more or harassment with blink stalkers and warp prisms to abuse the immobility of broodlords. It's pretty safe to say that's alot more exciting to watch than waiting to see if a vortex hits or misses.


Or...you could mass spine crawlers and spore crawlers like IdrA did at his bases and there would be no harassment with blink stalkers and warp prisms. You are apparently blind if you think that was about a vortex hitting or missing...it was about positioning, high ground advantages, taking the Xel'naga towers, slow pushing, delaying, attempting to secure new expansions, etc. Just because you have some stupid, unrealistic vision of how late game should work doesn't mean that wasn't a skill-based and interesting late game.


Yes, because I found the late game uninteresting, that doesn't make it uninteresting...seriously? As if interesting is an objective term.



No, your statement was ignorant because you want something completely different than the game provides and you refuse to look at the positives of that game. How about the positioning of Huk to take that high ground base, the like two minute back and forth battle at the pocket expansion, constant positioning and small trades, attempts to harass and those attempts being shut down, etc? But no, because it wasn't a protoss avoiding fighting an unstoppable late game army by blinking around sniping off unimportant tech structures while broodlords and infestors destroy everything, you find it boring instead of looking at the interesting merits of the actual game. At least with vortexes you can have an actual engagement based on proper positioning and composition, but you want the late game to be blink stalker and warp prism harassment while the protoss is unable to even have a fight with the zerg?

Where did I say it was objective? You are allowed to have your opinion, that doesn't make it a good one.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 20:17:45
April 29 2012 20:16 GMT
#448
On April 30 2012 05:12 babybell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.

You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude.

im sorry, but i have been watching idra for years. if anything, his attitude has improved. so, if his attitude is what keeps you from watching him, you didnt have a clue about him in the first place.

On April 30 2012 05:13 otgomni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away.

i wish he would win more, but he is still my favorite because i love his attitude. some people are awesome because of their great "good manners" (sheth, white-ra), but some are awesome because of the opposite (idra). if you dont like his attitude then move on; it is not going to change. eg may force him to hide it at tournaments, but it will never change.
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 20:16:39
April 29 2012 20:16 GMT
#449
Flummie
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands417 Posts
April 29 2012 20:17 GMT
#450
It's like IdrA doesn't care anymore. He is either going to raceswap or quit playing alltogether it seems.
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Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
April 29 2012 20:17 GMT
#451
On April 30 2012 05:02 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:01 babybell wrote:
This bm is unacceptable, not even funny. Idra should leave the team and retire from progamming.


Don't think he should retire but he really needs to be freaking punished/disciplined by his team.


I'm disappointed by his bad attitude, but I've just accepted it and just kind of sigh every time I see a match end like this. I used to be a fan, but until he overcomes his mental block, if he ever does, I just don't get too invested in his games. I don't think EG coming down hard on idra will make it change - this sort of thing is what keeps him losing all the time, and EG would much rather he be winning tournaments like he used to. I don't see what punishing him for it will really accomplish.

If it really does bother you that much, then stop watching things with idra. Don't even talk about him. If idra stops bringing them in a ton of viewers, EG will be less tolerant of this kind of behavior. Over 10,000 viewers means that EG benefits from Idra's bad reputation. In the meantime, I'll still hold out a sliver of hope that idra can actually get back on top and be able to back up his shit talk again, but until then I'll just be
aka ilovesharkpeople
Fuzzmosis
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada752 Posts
April 29 2012 20:25 GMT
#452
I could swear it was like 11 months ago most were thinking that if only Idra could overcome his mental block, he'd go back to being a monster.

I'd have to assume he disagrees with that assessment because we don't understand the game like he does or something.

Since InControl likes casting with him, why not gently push Idra in that direction? Apparently his desire to play is still questionable.
I'm From Canada, so they think I'm slow, eh?
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
April 29 2012 20:25 GMT
#453
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
April 29 2012 20:25 GMT
#454
On April 30 2012 05:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:12 babybell wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.

You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude.

im sorry, but i have been watching idra for years. if anything, his attitude has improved. so, if his attitude is what keeps you from watching him, you didnt have a clue about him in the first place.

Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:13 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away.

i wish he would win more, but he is still my favorite because i love his attitude. some people are awesome because of their great "good manners" (sheth, white-ra), but some are awesome because of the opposite (idra). if you dont like his attitude then move on; it is not going to change. eg may force him to hide it at tournaments, but it will never change.


Are you kidding? You're blinded by your irrational love of this guy. It's not about his attitude - that really doesn't matter. It's about performance and perception. This guy is paid to do this. Sure his attitude may have improved slightly since your initial viewings, but the level of attention and prestige he continues to receive has grown considerably over the past few years. Yet, as a response, Idra makes it his personal quest to shit all over what "good sportsmanship" stands for. EG promoted this event as if it was a "clash of the titans" event, when it was really huk playing normal and Idra raging and giving up. It's more of an embarrassment to EG than to Idra himself, which is the real shame.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 29 2012 20:27 GMT
#455
On April 30 2012 05:25 otgomni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:12 babybell wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.

You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude.

im sorry, but i have been watching idra for years. if anything, his attitude has improved. so, if his attitude is what keeps you from watching him, you didnt have a clue about him in the first place.

On April 30 2012 05:13 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away.

i wish he would win more, but he is still my favorite because i love his attitude. some people are awesome because of their great "good manners" (sheth, white-ra), but some are awesome because of the opposite (idra). if you dont like his attitude then move on; it is not going to change. eg may force him to hide it at tournaments, but it will never change.


Are you kidding? You're blinded by your irrational love of this guy. It's not about his attitude - that really doesn't matter. It's about performance and perception. This guy is paid to do this. Sure his attitude may have improved slightly since your initial viewings, but the level of attention and prestige he continues to receive has grown considerably over the past few years. Yet, as a response, Idra makes it his personal quest to shit all over what "good sportsmanship" stands for. EG promoted this event as if it was a "clash of the titans" event, when it was really huk playing normal and Idra raging and giving up. It's more of an embarrassment to EG than to Idra himself, which is the real shame.

what exactly do you find objectionable about his attitude? that he bantered with huk, or that he didn't gg, or something else?
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
April 29 2012 20:28 GMT
#456
Not only did it start like an hour late, the product was pretty bad also.
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 20:31:19
April 29 2012 20:28 GMT
#457
On April 30 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:25 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:16 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:12 babybell wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.

You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude.

im sorry, but i have been watching idra for years. if anything, his attitude has improved. so, if his attitude is what keeps you from watching him, you didnt have a clue about him in the first place.

On April 30 2012 05:13 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away.

i wish he would win more, but he is still my favorite because i love his attitude. some people are awesome because of their great "good manners" (sheth, white-ra), but some are awesome because of the opposite (idra). if you dont like his attitude then move on; it is not going to change. eg may force him to hide it at tournaments, but it will never change.


Are you kidding? You're blinded by your irrational love of this guy. It's not about his attitude - that really doesn't matter. It's about performance and perception. This guy is paid to do this. Sure his attitude may have improved slightly since your initial viewings, but the level of attention and prestige he continues to receive has grown considerably over the past few years. Yet, as a response, Idra makes it his personal quest to shit all over what "good sportsmanship" stands for. EG promoted this event as if it was a "clash of the titans" event, when it was really huk playing normal and Idra raging and giving up. It's more of an embarrassment to EG than to Idra himself, which is the real shame.

what exactly do you find objectionable about his attitude? that he bantered with huk, or that he didn't gg, or something else?


You're missing the point. His attitude doesn't matter. It's the fact he can't represent himself, his team, or the sport with any sort of respect or dignity. His actions make EG look worse. It has to do with betraying your benefactors rather than someone in his mid-twenties expressing the attitude of an angsty-teen.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 29 2012 20:29 GMT
#458
On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude.

as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan.
Supah
Profile Joined August 2010
708 Posts
April 29 2012 20:32 GMT
#459
So, recap for someone who didn't watch?
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 20:33:12
April 29 2012 20:33 GMT
#460
On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude.

as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan.


You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game.
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