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Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 20:55:41
April 29 2012 20:55 GMT
#481
It's been a while since i last had positive emotions on account of Idra. DRG brings me joy with his wins, Stephano brings me joy with his wins, Idra brings me only disappointment.
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
April 29 2012 20:56 GMT
#482
On April 30 2012 05:49 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude.

as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan.


His attitude didn't change. Some former fans' perception of his attitude has.

I'd say his attitude has changed, especially during that string in 2011 where he won an IEM, the Asus Invite, and had an amazing run at MLG Orlando. But, I feel it's changed BACK to what it used to be. It's sad as a fan to see, but that is what being a fan is about. Sticking through when it's rough, always looking at the future and hoping that Greg will release the mother fucking Gracken again.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
April 29 2012 20:57 GMT
#483
On April 30 2012 05:36 Omri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:32 Supah wrote:
So, recap for someone who didn't watch?


Game 1 - Huk gets DT, IdrA leaves, no gg.

Game 2 - Long macro game on Shakurs, Archon Toilet, Idra leaves, no gg.

Game 3 - 6 pool into Hydralisk and Nydus Worm that fails, Idra leaves, no gg.

Game 4 - 6 pool.... .... ... no gg..

Huk 4 - 0 IdrA.


So he did exactly what he did vs Alive?
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 29 2012 20:57 GMT
#484
On April 30 2012 05:53 otgomni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:47 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:42 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:33 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude.

as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan.


You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game.

please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you.


All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal.

i dont think that people only dislike him because of his attitude. nor have i said that in this thread. there are plenty of reasons to dislike him, and his attitude is only one of them.

what i said was that his attitude hasn't changed in the last four years that i have been following him. so, dont say you (figuratively of course) are no longer his fan because of his attitude, because his attitude has not changed since i started watching him four or so years ago.

i expect idra to "shit in my cereal," so when he does it, im not surprised. if you are his fan expecting him not to "shit in your cereal" then you are a fan of someone that idra is not (nor has he ever been).


I guess that settles the argument. I have simply underestimated your obsession with Greg Fields and the persona he projects. Still, I'm left wondering how someone can appreciate someone that doesn't appreciate them, but that's a question that cannot be answered here.

lol. im not obsessed with idra. i dont have posters of him on my walls, i dont subscribe to his twitter/fan club, etc. when i see he is playing, i watch because i find him interesting. i watch ITG because i love to hear his and the other members' opinions. they are entertaining.

and let me tell you exactly why i "appreciate him:" i like his "i dont give a shit attitude." that includes him not giving a shit about me. if you want a player to act like he is your best friend, thats cool, thats your thing. but its not mine. i think people take this whole esports thing way too seriously and i like it when someone comes in and says "i dont give a shit" like idra.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 29 2012 20:59 GMT
#485
On April 30 2012 05:57 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:36 Omri wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:32 Supah wrote:
So, recap for someone who didn't watch?


Game 1 - Huk gets DT, IdrA leaves, no gg.

Game 2 - Long macro game on Shakurs, Archon Toilet, Idra leaves, no gg.

Game 3 - 6 pool into Hydralisk and Nydus Worm that fails, Idra leaves, no gg.

Game 4 - 6 pool.... .... ... no gg..

Huk 4 - 0 IdrA.


So he did exactly what he did vs Alive?

it wasn't exactly a throw-away since huk is greedy, and six pool isnt as fail against a p as a t, but it was still weak to see. his second game was amazing; he just decided not to give us another in the third or fourth.
Darothane
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United Kingdom16 Posts
April 29 2012 21:02 GMT
#486
On April 30 2012 05:44 otgomni wrote:
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On April 30 2012 05:44 eYeball wrote:
Not really fun series to watch tbh, not worth it. Better watch MC vs Stephano at IPL


Was a much better series. Watching the MC/Stephano respect grow through the games was nice as well.



do you have links to VODS? I looked on youtube but couldn't find them :/
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 21:05:00
April 29 2012 21:03 GMT
#487
On April 30 2012 06:02 Darothane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:44 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:44 eYeball wrote:
Not really fun series to watch tbh, not worth it. Better watch MC vs Stephano at IPL


Was a much better series. Watching the MC/Stephano respect grow through the games was nice as well.



do you have links to VODS? I looked on youtube but couldn't find them :/


The games were played last night and they aired the replay today on IPLStream for the EU crowd. I imagine the VODs will be available over the next few days through their site. It's typically 8 hours after airing but I don't know IPL's schedule.
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
April 29 2012 21:09 GMT
#488
I think of IdrA like that kid on the (Insert sport) team who was mediocre but threw huge fits when ever he lost and no one really liked playing against him because if you won he would just throw a tantrum but if you lost he would gloat about it. Most of the time the other people hate him/her and stopped playing against them but for whatever reason it seems IdrA fans are still IdrA fans.
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
April 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#489
On April 30 2012 06:02 Darothane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:44 otgomni wrote:
On April 30 2012 05:44 eYeball wrote:
Not really fun series to watch tbh, not worth it. Better watch MC vs Stephano at IPL


Was a much better series. Watching the MC/Stephano respect grow through the games was nice as well.



do you have links to VODS? I looked on youtube but couldn't find them :/


Here you are.

http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828
MintPanda
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom19 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 21:14:17
April 29 2012 21:13 GMT
#490
Well, let's face it, people are easily entertained by drama, rivalries and controversy. IdrA always was and probably always will be impolite when playing his games it's not going to change. The fact of the matter is that when there is a champion who can flaunt and flex his muscles, it is almost irrelevant as to how well mannered he is. It goes for any sports, and cocky tournament winners and international champions will have that thick line between absolute fanboyism/hunger for drama/rivalries and hatred/intolerance for "bad" manners. Because of this, idra, who was almost always surrounded by controversy during the younger stage of sc2, will always have a flock of viewers hoping and waiting for his signature bad manners.

This is all good for stirring up some excitement and hype for him and the game (such as the rivalry between IdrA and MC/Huk), but that's only when he's actually performing decently. Once he starts to sink into a slump and stay there, you will definitely start seeing a sharp decline in his viewership.

Let's face it, he's raged all the time about how "silly" the other races are and how "easy" it is to just cheese, and in these games he's done nothing to back up anything he's said before, and he's turning into a cheesy scrub.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 21:17:13
April 29 2012 21:16 GMT
#491
On April 30 2012 06:09 DreamChaser wrote:
I think of IdrA like that kid on the (Insert sport) team who was mediocre but threw huge fits when ever he lost and no one really liked playing against him because if you won he would just throw a tantrum but if you lost he would gloat about it. Most of the time the other people hate him/her and stopped playing against them but for whatever reason it seems IdrA fans are still IdrA fans.


I think there is two reason. First he is an American zerg and not many of those around. Second reason are his BM. For some reason people like to see that.

But his days as a competive player are pretty much gone. I dont expect much off him. The game have evolved so much and Idra simply not good enough anymore. He lacks unit control and his decision and game awareness are awefull.

Compare him to the new super zerg on the NA scene aka Scarlet and you can see if you watch there games closely that she is actually ahead of idra.

But thats Esport for you old players fall new players rise.
Stephano & Jaedong <-- The Pain Train. Polt and Innovation to EG plz
La1
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom659 Posts
April 29 2012 21:23 GMT
#492
i was dissapointed, i felt he left early in a lot of these games when it wasnt exactly over :\ espc game 3
pff
I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW
Profile Joined August 2011
22 Posts
April 29 2012 21:27 GMT
#493
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:

they (EG) got in bed with idra knowing who he is. i think they are more qualified to decide whether he can represent the team.


What makes you say that? Looks like an appeal to authority to me.

On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:

also, incontrol said on the last SOTG that Dreamhack was upset that idra couldnt come because they lost tons of viewers. everything idra touches immediately gets an absurd number of viewers. so, apparently, the sport is doing just fine with idra's "bad" attitude.


I haven't followed the scene intently as of late, so I don't know whether or not this still holds, but Idra's games never fail to disappoint me. It's like he's playing with the mindset that he's going to ragequit the instant he encounters any adversity. I can safely say that Idra's participation in any tournament has made the viewing experience less enjoyable for me, mainly because most of Idra's games consist of an insipid period, most often followed by a silly mistake on Idra's part, and finally the optional whining and bitching followed by the ragequit.

Also, just for the record, I don't really care about how many people watch SC2, I care about the quality of the games. Now that I think about it, that's really all I care about when it comes to watching SC2. Needless to say, I think the quality of games involving Idra is really bad.
SkimGuy
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada709 Posts
April 29 2012 21:41 GMT
#494
On April 30 2012 06:27 I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:

they (EG) got in bed with idra knowing who he is. i think they are more qualified to decide whether he can represent the team.


What makes you say that? Looks like an appeal to authority to me.

Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:

also, incontrol said on the last SOTG that Dreamhack was upset that idra couldnt come because they lost tons of viewers. everything idra touches immediately gets an absurd number of viewers. so, apparently, the sport is doing just fine with idra's "bad" attitude.


I haven't followed the scene intently as of late, so I don't know whether or not this still holds, but Idra's games never fail to disappoint me. It's like he's playing with the mindset that he's going to ragequit the instant he encounters any adversity. I can safely say that Idra's participation in any tournament has made the viewing experience less enjoyable for me, mainly because most of Idra's games consist of an insipid period, most often followed by a silly mistake on Idra's part, and finally the optional whining and bitching followed by the ragequit.

Also, just for the record, I don't really care about how many people watch SC2, I care about the quality of the games. Now that I think about it, that's really all I care about when it comes to watching SC2. Needless to say, I think the quality of games involving Idra is really bad.

Yea, players like Idra don't produce good games because they give up at the first sign of adversity. Some of the greatest comebacks in BW were remembered as such because those players never gave up. Some are even made fun of (Fantasy GG timing) but in the end the games are much more entertaining because you know the players are giving it everything they have to win the game instead of leaving when things *start* to go bad
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
April 29 2012 21:42 GMT
#495
On April 30 2012 06:27 I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:

they (EG) got in bed with idra knowing who he is. i think they are more qualified to decide whether he can represent the team.


What makes you say that? Looks like an appeal to authority to me.

Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:

also, incontrol said on the last SOTG that Dreamhack was upset that idra couldnt come because they lost tons of viewers. everything idra touches immediately gets an absurd number of viewers. so, apparently, the sport is doing just fine with idra's "bad" attitude.


I haven't followed the scene intently as of late, so I don't know whether or not this still holds, but Idra's games never fail to disappoint me. It's like he's playing with the mindset that he's going to ragequit the instant he encounters any adversity. I can safely say that Idra's participation in any tournament has made the viewing experience less enjoyable for me, mainly because most of Idra's games consist of an insipid period, most often followed by a silly mistake on Idra's part, and finally the optional whining and bitching followed by the ragequit.

Also, just for the record, I don't really care about how many people watch SC2, I care about the quality of the games. Now that I think about it, that's really all I care about when it comes to watching SC2. Needless to say, I think the quality of games involving Idra is really bad.

you dont think the team managers are better qualified to determine what is best for the team than a random forum poster? i'm not sure i need to qualify that statement with anything more.

idra's games lately have not been "bad." they have been utter shit (at least what i have seen). i don't think he is going to go on ITG and say "im playing the best i have been doing in years." so, i will continue to support him and when he comes back to his glory, i will be there rooting for him. if he doesnt then it will be upsetting, but life goes on and i wish all the best to him.
IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
April 29 2012 21:46 GMT
#496
This is getting out of hand... I like IdrA but throwing games you know are going to be watched by alot of people (twice?!?!)is just retarded. I don't even know why they made a sponsored thread.. waste of time
I'ma show you how great I am ~ Muhammed Ali
System42
Profile Joined August 2011
172 Posts
April 29 2012 22:05 GMT
#497
this shit is not a rivalry Idra was just talking to huk and being all nice to him on his stream when he got a game against him there managers told them to do this so if you think oh idras being bm to huk because they have a rivalry your stupid. they dont anymore so dont think they do they told idra to say stuff like that.
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
April 29 2012 22:12 GMT
#498
On April 30 2012 07:05 System42 wrote:
this shit is not a rivalry Idra was just talking to huk and being all nice to him on his stream when he got a game against him there managers told them to do this so if you think oh idras being bm to huk because they have a rivalry your stupid. they dont anymore so dont think they do they told idra to say stuff like that.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they're just keeping up appearances, I mean let's face it Idra attracts a lot of viewers that hardly care about his gameplay, they just want to see BM or drama. Since the Orb debacle Idra can't really go around calling people "faggots" or some other endearing terms he liked to use, but he has to keep up some of the BM appearances from the past, so I'm not very surprised at how this went. If Idra won 4 - 2 or something we wouldn't even be here anymore speaking about it. I doubt Idra the "real" person would go out of his way to be BM to a teammate if there was no other motive.
straight poppin
TheAngryZergling
Profile Joined January 2011
United States387 Posts
April 29 2012 22:19 GMT
#499
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote:
I am disappoint.

I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point?

GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you.

i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him.


I like what I perceive to be the guy hidden behind the idra persona. I think he is a very smart, articulate player and I still will tune into his stream when I have the chance to watch streams and Sheth isn't streaming. But being someone who is very possessive of the time they have on this earth, I don't want to be left with the same sensation of wasted time after tuning into a competitive match of his as I have so repeatedly.

I honestly wish him the best and hope his results improve, but until I start hearing a more balanced ratio of tales about his brilliant play in this or that competition to tales of his disappointing efforts, my time will be spent elsewhere.

Having a few dozen more hours well spent is certainly worth being labelled a fair weather fan of my 2nd favorite NA zerg.
Everything in life is most clearly explained through a Starcraft analogy.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-29 22:31:47
April 29 2012 22:31 GMT
#500
This behavior was almost interesting when he had the results to back up the temper tantrums. Now it's just getting sad.

If this doesn't have any consequences for Idra, something is rotten in the state of EG. I expect he'll be getting a talking to, though.
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