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TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
April 23 2012 03:30 GMT
#101
On April 23 2012 10:06 Cheeseling wrote:
WTF Where are Megumixbear, Ms.Spyte and Idra? T_T


idra?
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
April 23 2012 03:31 GMT
#102
TT no Eve.
esports
Cheeseling
Profile Joined March 2012
Ukraine132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 03:46:51
April 23 2012 03:45 GMT
#103
On April 23 2012 12:06 RedDeckWins wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 10:44 Cheeseling wrote:
Iron Lady Tournament is it some kind of special olympics? Just saying. I do not care about players gender. SC2 isn't armwrestling. If 12 yer old dude can play on dreamhack wtf is problem with girls? When we will have children only league tournament? Or it's all about boobs? Or its just to say: "Hey You! Ugly not popular females! Here, in e-sport, we have a lot of hungry males with no chance to meet normal women. You have good chances here! "
Personally, I believe that competes in SC2 cup where you can get for having boobs and ... - pure disgrace.


Well I hope you post these exact same sentiments in the following threads:

College Starcraft League threads (CSL, etc), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for having money/intelligence."
Metal league tourneys, also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being bad."
Country only tournaments (I believe there was a swede only one a while back), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being born in some arbitrary location.
Non-sponsored player tournaments (like the playhem one or the complexity academy ones), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being undiscovered"
Clan only tourneys (EG's most Evil Genius), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being in EG"
Company leagues (AHGL), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for having a tech job"

The reality is tournament organizers may choose any criteria they want for their tournament. Is it a disgrace in the other cases?


It's two big differences:
To compete between friends or on national lvl to define "the best of us" or person who will represent our group in larger tournaments. Same like local tenis, football tournaments.

And to be best of "special" The Olympic games are divided into separate leagues for women and men for the simple reason that they can not compete on equal terms. Because women worse than men on many physical characteristics. This does not mean that every woman is weaker than any man. This means that their maximum limit of some abilities is more limited. And vice versa, men are limited in such disciplines as gymnastics - compared to women. So by participating in this special Star Craft championship only for women you accept the fact that females also intellectually limited.

Also, it falls into the category of things that are "hurting e-sport":
Female reporters on competitions which not understanding basics of StarCraft and asking stupid questions but has big tits.
Camwhore alike streamers with wivers count directly proportional to the neckline of the dress. This make e-sport looks like as if it's just a show for teens.
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 04:20:54
April 23 2012 03:58 GMT
#104
On April 23 2012 12:45 Cheeseling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:06 RedDeckWins wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:44 Cheeseling wrote:
Iron Lady Tournament is it some kind of special olympics? Just saying. I do not care about players gender. SC2 isn't armwrestling. If 12 yer old dude can play on dreamhack wtf is problem with girls? When we will have children only league tournament? Or it's all about boobs? Or its just to say: "Hey You! Ugly not popular females! Here, in e-sport, we have a lot of hungry males with no chance to meet normal women. You have good chances here! "
Personally, I believe that competes in SC2 cup where you can get for having boobs and ... - pure disgrace.


Well I hope you post these exact same sentiments in the following threads:

College Starcraft League threads (CSL, etc), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for having money/intelligence."
Metal league tourneys, also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being bad."
Country only tournaments (I believe there was a swede only one a while back), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being born in some arbitrary location.
Non-sponsored player tournaments (like the playhem one or the complexity academy ones), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being undiscovered"
Clan only tourneys (EG's most Evil Genius), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being in EG"
Company leagues (AHGL), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for having a tech job"

The reality is tournament organizers may choose any criteria they want for their tournament. Is it a disgrace in the other cases?


It's two big differences:
To compete between friends or on national lvl to define "the best of us" or person who will represent our group in larger tournaments. Same like local tenis, football tournaments.

And to be best of "special" The Olympic games are divided into separate leagues for women and men for the simple reason that they can not compete on equal terms. Because women worse than men on many physical characteristics. This does not mean that every woman is weaker than any man. This means that their maximum limit of some abilities is more limited. And vice versa, men are limited in such disciplines as gymnastics - compared to women. So by participating in this special Star Craft championship only for women you accept the fact that females also intellectually limited.

Also, it falls into the category of things that are "hurting e-sport":
Female reporters on competitions which not understanding basics of StarCraft and asking stupid questions but has big tits.
Camwhore alike streamers with wivers count directly proportional to the neckline of the dress. This make e-sport looks like as if it's just a show for teens.


I'll bite the bait. You are incorrect on many points.
First point of it being some sort of special olympics. Iron Lady brings together people who have something in common. That something is being female. You act like every tournament has to only be about bringing people together soely based on skill. Guess what, there are 10000000000000 tournaments just for that.
Secondly, this whole hurting esports is nothing but a steaming pile of crap. Why? Ask every girl who has competed in Iron Lady and ask them if it has hurt them in esports. Lets go down the list shall we?
Flo: competes in several Iron Lady competitions. Goes to all MLGs and competes in open tournaments and obtains a spot on team Quantic. Iron Lady definitely destroyed her career.
Maddelisk: Also competes in all Iron Lady competitions. Was just at DreamHack Stockholm and obtained a spot on team Absolute Legends. Iron Lady definitely hurt her in esports
Scarlett: Won 2 back to back Iron Ladies before anyone knows who she was. Goes to IPL, gets on team Eclypsia and is now one the fasting growing player in popularity. She was surely devistated by Iron Lady.
Aphrodite: Won Zowie Divina and is how the face of the company flying around the world (aka to Taiwan) promoting females to get out there and play the game. A girl event destroyed her esports career.
Or were you dare trying to make the point that Iron Lady is hurting males in esports. I didn't want to assume you to be that crazy, but tell me if I'm wrong.

Quit acting like just because girls play in Iron Lady for a fun time, that they don't compete in other open events. We encourage the girls the play, and playing is what they are doing. Now stop posting nonsense that is going to get you banned.
You and a handful of others keep running to the barn, dragging out the dead horse, and continue to beat it over and over again. Your points have been made by other ignorant people time and time again. Give...It....Up....
twitter.com/ThePharsideESL / ESL IEM NA Admin / WCS NA Qualifier Admin
Celestia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico376 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 04:08:10
April 23 2012 04:06 GMT
#105
On April 23 2012 12:45 Cheeseling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 12:06 RedDeckWins wrote:
On April 23 2012 10:44 Cheeseling wrote:
Iron Lady Tournament is it some kind of special olympics? Just saying. I do not care about players gender. SC2 isn't armwrestling. If 12 yer old dude can play on dreamhack wtf is problem with girls? When we will have children only league tournament? Or it's all about boobs? Or its just to say: "Hey You! Ugly not popular females! Here, in e-sport, we have a lot of hungry males with no chance to meet normal women. You have good chances here! "
Personally, I believe that competes in SC2 cup where you can get for having boobs and ... - pure disgrace.


Well I hope you post these exact same sentiments in the following threads:

College Starcraft League threads (CSL, etc), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for having money/intelligence."
Metal league tourneys, also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being bad."
Country only tournaments (I believe there was a swede only one a while back), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being born in some arbitrary location.
Non-sponsored player tournaments (like the playhem one or the complexity academy ones), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being undiscovered"
Clan only tourneys (EG's most Evil Genius), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for being in EG"
Company leagues (AHGL), also known as "competes in sc2 cup where you can get for having a tech job"

The reality is tournament organizers may choose any criteria they want for their tournament. Is it a disgrace in the other cases?


It's two big differences:
To compete between friends or on national lvl to define "the best of us" or person who will represent our group in larger tournaments. Same like local tenis, football tournaments.

And to be best of "special" The Olympic games are divided into separate leagues for women and men for the simple reason that they can not compete on equal terms. Because women worse than men on many physical characteristics. This does not mean that every woman is weaker than any man. This means that their maximum limit of some abilities is more limited. And vice versa, men are limited in such disciplines as gymnastics - compared to women. So by participating in this special Star Craft championship only for women you accept the fact that females also intellectually limited.

Also, it falls into the category of things that are "hurting e-sport":
Female reporters on competitions which not understanding basics of StarCraft and asking stupid questions but has big tits.
Camwhore alike streamers with wivers count directly proportional to the neckline of the dress. This make e-sport looks like as if it's just a show for teens.

No, it doesn't. I think is great because female starcraft players are a minority and it's a good way to get introduced into the competitive scene.
Cheeseling
Profile Joined March 2012
Ukraine132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 04:31:29
April 23 2012 04:28 GMT
#106
I understood your point guys but u kinda totally ignoring and avoiding mine. Whatever "The Show Must Go On" looking forward to big boobs™ talents and fair hight lvl competition. By the way children Starcraft championship isn't bad idea and e-sport will benefit from it even more. Who wants to take on the organization?

No, it doesn't. I think is great because female starcraft players are a minority and it's a good way to get introduced into the competitive scene.

Same goes to the ppl with no hands
pHaRSiDE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States752 Posts
April 23 2012 04:32 GMT
#107
Which point? The one where you think this event is about camwhoring and boobs? Yea because the girls play on cam during Iron Lady, except they don't. Not even any of the graphics we use involving the girls involves sexually suggestive poses or clothing of any nature. So tell me, which **Correct** point did I avoid. Because I think I only avoided an invalid one.
twitter.com/ThePharsideESL / ESL IEM NA Admin / WCS NA Qualifier Admin
RedDeckWins
Profile Joined December 2010
United States123 Posts
April 23 2012 05:23 GMT
#108
Someone give cheeseling a temp ban already.

While there isn't a league for people with no hands or disabilities (yet), looknohands is not an unknown player and the community came forward and gave him a huge amount of support.

10-12 years from now when esports is more mainstream, I wouldn't be surprised to see child or disabled person leagues, since those types of leagues exist for mainstream sports in the united states (soccer, basketball, baseball)
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 23 2012 06:14 GMT
#109
So much fighting - Who the hell cares, its a tournament..It promotes E-Sports, it promotes further involvement from the females in the community and these ladies compete on the same level as the guy. Same as any "country only" tournament, the Iron Lady is a "Ladies only" tournament. So get over it, stop being so upset and help promote E-sports instead of crying wolf, when there is no wolf.

On a side note, I can't wait to see this Pharside! It looks to be a very promising tournament. Good luck to all the ladies playing in it.
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5251 Posts
April 23 2012 06:54 GMT
#110
I'm hyped. F the haters

when will slayers eve play a big match =/
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-23 10:32:57
April 23 2012 09:23 GMT
#111
Genuine question because I have no idea how admins of this tournament would act in this situation:

If, lets say, I feel like a woman and I would like to be reffered as "she" but I didn't yet start "transforming" (or what the hell is the right term) process would I be able to compete?

More realistic question: one of my best friends knows a person who really feels and acts like a girl but doesn't have money for body change/hormones etc, that person is also avid gamer, would admins accept her for this tournament?

I am asking this because I would like to know where is the line, who and how do you decide who is eligible to enter tournament.

Anyway, good luck with tournament, I hope a lot of people will tune-in and watch this!

EDIT:
Missed pronoun.
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
April 23 2012 09:52 GMT
#112
On April 23 2012 08:13 GuitarBizarre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:45 sparkk51 wrote:
I think its really strange that Scarlett is allowed to participate in a females only-tournament. I am not questioning her official sex but rather the fact that she was born a male and so could possibly be unequal in ability to the other participants. The whole point of a female league is to give an even playing field, not just recognition for female gamers.

Please don't take this as an anti-transgender rant because it clearly isn't. Also, I am not implying that men ARE more capable than women at Starcraft II. I am sticking to anecdotal and statistical reasoning that they may be.

User was temp banned for this post.


Spoiler tagged this because I got to the point of wall-o-texting about why the above attitude is silly.

+ Show Spoiler +

This is stupid, why do people keep bringing up this idea that men might be inherently better at starcraft than women? Its absolutely ridiculous. What kind of biological reason could there POSSIBLY be for that? The *ONLY* think I can think of is

1 - Women are less competitive. This isn't a valid argument. At all. This is a social construct. There are many competitive women. Even overcompetitive women. Women are not inherently submissive, and saying competitiveness is a male dominated trait is borderline sexism. It implies that because society has promoted and still to some extent promotes competition for men, women are not allowed to be or expected not to be competitive themselves. Thats stupid.

2 - The opposite side of the argument. Women could be expected to be BETTER at starcraft due to greater multitasking capability. This is more contentious, but to my mind, it doesn't make sense. Now, bear in mind, I am a bronze player. I have absolutely no idea of how someones brain works when they're throwing out 600+APM micro. But as far as I see it, the two prime limitations of a starcraft player are tactical thinking/decision making under pressure, and the ability to hit the right keys in the right order really damned fast, practised movements, almost unconscious. And since our peripherals are serial input devices, we don't have the capability to input more than one command at once. Its all about how fast we can give commands one at a time.

And the UI of the game doesn't provide us with the opportunity to actually give multiple commands at once. What we percieve as multitasking in games, is actually the rapid initiation of multiple individual things one after the other. The speed with which a player can switch between individual tasks allows them to initiate actions so quickly that they can return to inputting the next action before the first one has finished.

Now to my mind, that isn't multitasking. Thats one task. Men can do it. Women can do it. There's no reason to assume either side has any innate advantage here. If someone can provide me with an example of true multitasking (Thinking of multiple things at the same time) in starcraft, I'll take their comments on board.

So to my mind, there should BE no debate on transgender, or even gender, period, in starcraft. At least not for any "potential skill" based reason.





Now, a second point, seperate to the first. There may be some merit in discussing the exposure of female players to the scene and in the scene. There are two sides to this. One says that women should be judged on the same stages as men. I agree with this on the INTENDED principle of fair competition. (Whatever the actual view of the principle might turn out to be for the individual, it comes back to this eventually.) There's no reason to provide greater opportunity to one group, when choosing between two groups of equal size.

The other says that because there are so many fewer women who play starcraft in general, at professional or casual levels, the continued growth of eSports depends on, (or at least, would greatly benefit from) its wider acceptance as a reasonable and respectable hobby, without the geek stigma it arguably suffers from currently. And that means women only leagues and promotion of female starcraft players, is essential in order to attract new players, bridge the gender divide, and foster the happiness of those female players who are setting examples and saying "Hey, there's no reason I can't do this, so I'm going to do it". Honestly, right now, for whatever damage people think it might do to the idea of "fair and broad unisex competition", I think this is the side of the argument where there is more merit. It DOES NOT have the potential to damage the prospects of male starcraft players. If a woman enters GSL, MLG, or Dreamhack, they win if and only if they have the most skill.

But if a woman enters a female only league, she simply has an opportunity to be encouraged, to find some pride in her chosen hobby/profession, and raise their own profile. And thats a good thing, because it raises the profile of starcraft, in many peoples eyes it improves the IMAGE of starcraft, and it has the potential to bring in new talent that otherwise wouldn't FIND an outlet.


Scarlett deserves every opportunity she can find. So does Flo. So does Eve. So do all female players and it will only benefit us (The starcraft community, I am male) in the long run. So do all male players for that matter, but they're not our focus.

If at some point we reach a stage where a large portion of all starcraft players are female, (again, both casually and professionally), then the viability of female only leagues might be somewhat worth questioning. At that point we (probably) won't have a gender-specific image problem as a community. We might at that point be justified in advocating a unisex tournament landscape, providing everyone with the same opportunities across the board.

But we're a long way away from that, and right now, offering more opportunities for women, and promoting the idea they get involved and join in, is a much greater benefit to eSports and Starcraft than NOT providing those extra opportunities.


Please note that above I have intentionally NOT mentioned skill at any point. There is a reason for this. I think that even now, with the minority status of women in eSports and starcraft, its nothing less than insulting to imply that there is an inherent skill gap that exists because of someones gender. There is nothing stopping a female player from breaking out right this second and crushing everyone, MKP, MMA, DRG, MVP, Naniwa, everyone.

Is that exceedingly unlikely? Yes. But no more so than it is for anyone else currently unknown. And it has nothing to do with our hypothetical person being a man or a woman. The statement "female players are currently not as good as male players" is ridiculously overextensive. Without knowledge of every female player, and their total skill, there is no way to prove it is true, and it only takes one amazing female player crushing a tournament to prove it false.

Stop trying to imply that female players are inherently different from male players in any meaningful way regarding skill. Its belittling and stupid, and the more people do it, the less welcome women who MAY HAVE the potential to be top players, will feel within the starcraft community.


Also I don't believe that chess article is valid. It's a collection of unsourced facts, given without context and without evidence of peer review having been carried out on the studies from which they came, combined with an assortment of opinion pieces written by the general public about a sport that is entirely different to starcraft. It's findings are not necessarily directly applicable, and even then, the list of facts isn't presented with any in line reasoning, its simply a list out of nowhere from which the reader is intended to draw their own conclusion, which will likely be the same as the article, owing to having been primed by the opinion piece before being presented with unqualified lists of possibly unrelated facts. Particularly suspicious is the number of times the words "May mean" and "could mean" appear alongside statements the authors know can't be given with certainty.


I've bolded the part of your post (inside the spoiler) that I wish to comment on, but I'll repeat it for the sake of clarity: You write: "This is stupid, why do people keep bringing up this idea that men might be inherently better at starcraft than women? Its absolutely ridiculous. What kind of biological reason could there POSSIBLY be for that?". Let me analyze your argument for a bit: You seem to claim either that:
1) because both genders are equal and have the same rights and opportunities for intellectual development in our civilized society, then both genders must have the exact same ability/potential to excel in those fields, and by extension, in SC2. This is not necessarily so. What kind of values we have in our society does not necessarily reflect what kind of physical bodies we have.
or
2) Because both men and women have brains, then they must be equally good at SC2, or possibly because you personally don't know any research that has proven women to have a disability at SC2, then they must be equally good. Allow me to flip this argument upside down: Because both men and women have muscles, then there's no reason that they shouldn't be just as strong or athletic. I have never in my life seen a growth hormone or testosterone, so there is no reason women shouldn't be able to develop their muscles in the same way as men do. This, of course, is complete BS because men and women are, in fact, different. Likewise, just because you haven't seen the neural pathways that possibly (I don't know if there actually is one, but I wouldn't discount it) give men an advantage over women in SC2, doesn't mean it isn't there. The end result is the same, however. When it comes athletic feats, men are dominating the field, and when it comes to SC2, men are dominating the field. My point is that any claims about physiology should be based on fact and not on ideology. Men might be inherently better than women at SC2. You should read the entire thread and especially the post about reaction times for men and women.

HOWEVER: I don't think the physiological differences between men and women are important at all when it comes to Iron Lady. If you start down the road about females being all about physiology, then you run into all kinds of problems. I have heard that people from the Horn of Africa are the least dimorphic (i.e. have the least difference between man and woman). Does that mean that Somalian women are the least "women-like" and should possibly be banned from Iron Lady? Or conversely, are Somalian men most women-like and should be allowed to enter Iron Lady? Or what about girls with hormone imbalances? Or people with organs from both genders, or girls lacking some of the female organs? Moreover, some women have bigger muscles than some men. Should those women compete in strength contests with men instead, for it to be fair? And conversely, could men with small muscles compete with the women, for it to be fair? Or, what if there there was some research that showed that Asian brains are least dimorphic? Should Aphrodite, luway, flo etc., be banned from Iron Lady on the basis that their genes give them almost man-like brains? I don't think that Iron Lady is about genes, hormones or physiology, but about identity. I think it is about a large group of gamers who feel that they have something in common and that they are a minority. In that respect, Scarlett may have an inherent advantage, being born a boy (but then again if she was born with a girl's brain in a boy's body, then she wouldn't), but she certainly doesn't cheat, because the requirement is not having a woman's physiology (which I doubt anyone could specify adequately), but the requirement is being one of those who truly call themselves a girl and identifies with that group of people. And Scarlett fulfills all those requirements.

As for the rest, I fully agree with you that there should be female-only tournaments, so I won't go into that. I wrote this because I think people should keep ideology and physiology separate. Yes, we are all equals, but that doesn't mean we are all alike. In fact, we are all different and unique. Some are qualitatively better at living under the hot sun in Africa (i.e. they have darker skin) while other people are qualitatively better at living through dark winters with a reduced supply of D vitamins (i.e. have lighter skin). We are not alike, because that is physiology, but we are each other's equals, because that is ideology. Likewise, who does compete and does not compete in Iron Lady, and the existence of the tournament itself is not something that is decided on the factual basis of physiology (and certainly not on the basis of what some uneducated guys on the internet think they know about physiology, me included, of course), but on the basis of ideology. In this case, on the basis that they want to create a tournament for girls and not much else.

That's my two cents.
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 23 2012 10:24 GMT
#113
On April 23 2012 18:23 whiterabbit wrote:
Genuine question because I have no idea how admins of this tournament would act in this situation:

If, lets say, I feel like a woman and I would like to be reffered as "she" but I didn't yet start "transforming" (or what the hell is the right term) process would I be able to compete?

More realistic question: one of my best friends knows a person who really feels and acts like a girl but doesn't have money for body change/hormones etc, that person is also avid gamer, would admins accept him for this tournament?

I am asking this because I would like to know where is the line, who and how do you decide who is eligible to enter tournament.

Anyway, good luck with tournament, I hope a lot of people will tune-in and watch this!


Yes. That is what Phraside and GoSc support. Is that if you honestly feel female, identify yourself as a female and live your life as a female you will be treated as one. Many people understand that the operation is expensive and its not something everyone can afford, or it may take many years before they can under go the operation. So yes- Your friend would and will be accepted as a female member of the community - Both by GoSc and in the Iron Lady Tournaments.
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 23 2012 10:34 GMT
#114
On April 23 2012 19:24 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 18:23 whiterabbit wrote:
Genuine question because I have no idea how admins of this tournament would act in this situation:

If, lets say, I feel like a woman and I would like to be reffered as "she" but I didn't yet start "transforming" (or what the hell is the right term) process would I be able to compete?

More realistic question: one of my best friends knows a person who really feels and acts like a girl but doesn't have money for body change/hormones etc, that person is also avid gamer, would admins accept him for this tournament?

I am asking this because I would like to know where is the line, who and how do you decide who is eligible to enter tournament.

Anyway, good luck with tournament, I hope a lot of people will tune-in and watch this!


Yes. That is what Phraside and GoSc support. Is that if you honestly feel female, identify yourself as a female and live your life as a female you will be treated as one. Many people understand that the operation is expensive and its not something everyone can afford, or it may take many years before they can under go the operation. So yes- Your friend would and will be accepted as a female member of the community - Both by GoSc and in the Iron Lady Tournaments.


Thanks for answer, this surely clarified things I didn't understand about organization and tournament. Have fun!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 23 2012 10:45 GMT
#115
On April 23 2012 19:34 whiterabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 19:24 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 23 2012 18:23 whiterabbit wrote:
Genuine question because I have no idea how admins of this tournament would act in this situation:

If, lets say, I feel like a woman and I would like to be reffered as "she" but I didn't yet start "transforming" (or what the hell is the right term) process would I be able to compete?

More realistic question: one of my best friends knows a person who really feels and acts like a girl but doesn't have money for body change/hormones etc, that person is also avid gamer, would admins accept him for this tournament?

I am asking this because I would like to know where is the line, who and how do you decide who is eligible to enter tournament.

Anyway, good luck with tournament, I hope a lot of people will tune-in and watch this!


Yes. That is what Phraside and GoSc support. Is that if you honestly feel female, identify yourself as a female and live your life as a female you will be treated as one. Many people understand that the operation is expensive and its not something everyone can afford, or it may take many years before they can under go the operation. So yes- Your friend would and will be accepted as a female member of the community - Both by GoSc and in the Iron Lady Tournaments.


Thanks for answer, this surely clarified things I didn't understand about organization and tournament. Have fun!


My pleasure! If your friend decide she would like to join GoSc or has any questions, both you and her are welcome to contact me. Just shot me a private message here on TL.
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
April 23 2012 10:57 GMT
#116
On April 23 2012 19:45 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 19:34 whiterabbit wrote:
On April 23 2012 19:24 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 23 2012 18:23 whiterabbit wrote:
Genuine question because I have no idea how admins of this tournament would act in this situation:

If, lets say, I feel like a woman and I would like to be reffered as "she" but I didn't yet start "transforming" (or what the hell is the right term) process would I be able to compete?

More realistic question: one of my best friends knows a person who really feels and acts like a girl but doesn't have money for body change/hormones etc, that person is also avid gamer, would admins accept him for this tournament?

I am asking this because I would like to know where is the line, who and how do you decide who is eligible to enter tournament.

Anyway, good luck with tournament, I hope a lot of people will tune-in and watch this!


Yes. That is what Phraside and GoSc support. Is that if you honestly feel female, identify yourself as a female and live your life as a female you will be treated as one. Many people understand that the operation is expensive and its not something everyone can afford, or it may take many years before they can under go the operation. So yes- Your friend would and will be accepted as a female member of the community - Both by GoSc and in the Iron Lady Tournaments.


Thanks for answer, this surely clarified things I didn't understand about organization and tournament. Have fun!


My pleasure! If your friend decide she would like to join GoSc or has any questions, both you and her are welcome to contact me. Just shot me a private message here on TL.


Heh, as I said in original post I was talking about friend's friend, I actually don't know her personally but I'll be sure to tell to my friend to tell her about TLnet (if she doesn't visit it already) and about GoSc/tournaments. Thanks and best of luck!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
ICCup.Tesla
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States841 Posts
April 23 2012 11:09 GMT
#117
On April 23 2012 19:57 whiterabbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 19:45 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 23 2012 19:34 whiterabbit wrote:
On April 23 2012 19:24 ICCup.Tesla wrote:
On April 23 2012 18:23 whiterabbit wrote:
Genuine question because I have no idea how admins of this tournament would act in this situation:

If, lets say, I feel like a woman and I would like to be reffered as "she" but I didn't yet start "transforming" (or what the hell is the right term) process would I be able to compete?

More realistic question: one of my best friends knows a person who really feels and acts like a girl but doesn't have money for body change/hormones etc, that person is also avid gamer, would admins accept him for this tournament?

I am asking this because I would like to know where is the line, who and how do you decide who is eligible to enter tournament.

Anyway, good luck with tournament, I hope a lot of people will tune-in and watch this!


Yes. That is what Phraside and GoSc support. Is that if you honestly feel female, identify yourself as a female and live your life as a female you will be treated as one. Many people understand that the operation is expensive and its not something everyone can afford, or it may take many years before they can under go the operation. So yes- Your friend would and will be accepted as a female member of the community - Both by GoSc and in the Iron Lady Tournaments.


Thanks for answer, this surely clarified things I didn't understand about organization and tournament. Have fun!


My pleasure! If your friend decide she would like to join GoSc or has any questions, both you and her are welcome to contact me. Just shot me a private message here on TL.


Heh, as I said in original post I was talking about friend's friend, I actually don't know her personally but I'll be sure to tell to my friend to tell her about TLnet (if she doesn't visit it already) and about GoSc/tournaments. Thanks and best of luck!


Oh my apologies. I misread then. Well that is great. Thank you again so much. Please make sure to watch the tournament!
@DjTesla ~ CEO of GoSc, GoLoL, GoD3 & GoSmite ~ @The_GoSc ~ @TheGoLoL ~ The greatest glory of man, is not in never falling, but in rising after each time he has fallen.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
April 23 2012 14:16 GMT
#118
I'm really interested in seeing how Luway and Aphrodite do. The female scene has been kind of segregated from the larger scene, so there's been so little baseline for so long. With Scarlett having made a name for herself, any of the other girls who manage to challenge or even beat her will make a name for themselves as well.
Maxtor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom273 Posts
April 23 2012 14:33 GMT
#119
Still going to be watching this even though i should be studying for my may exams, really do hope theres an upset, I like supporting underdogs far more than favourites, just find it more exciting :D.
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
April 23 2012 16:08 GMT
#120
god, that mouse looks ridiculous.
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