On March 21 2012 06:19 shinyA wrote: - You like StarCraft - You can't afford to go to another country for your hobby - You want people to pay for it - You're disabled ???
Everyone has problems and struggles, just because someone is handicapped doesn't make their problem any more important than the many problems others have. You think everyone can just up and move to Korea for a year? Of course not, people have responsiblities and obligations and can't just up and go travel for a year - not to mention the cost it would take for an average person.
I donate to charities every year, give money to the poor, and do volunteer work because there are people less fortunate than me and are living without the basic things needed to survive. I don't feel comfortable giving someone money just for their hobby - I don't see the point. Me giving you money for you to stay in Korea because you like StarCraft doesn't help anyone, it doesn't even help you beyond the few months of entertainment that you will get. You aren't trying to use the money to help people or give back, you're literally just asking for money because you wanna hang out with progamers in Korea. This seems like a homeless person asking for money outside of a liquir store, I'm obviously not going to give him money to buy beer because that's not helping him. If I'm going to give money to someone it's going to be because they need it or if it will help them, not because they simply want it.
I don't understand the whole "he's not letting his disablity get in the way of his dreams". What does his disablity have to do with it? What's the difference in him or someone else asking a community to fund his trip to Korea? I feel for the guy, like he was dealt a really tough life - I get that and if he were asking for something that would help him in his life I would gladly give it but he's not. He's asking for a paid vacation for his hobby, that doesn't help him past the 4-5 months extra he's going to get to stay in korea. He's already been there longer than most people, I mean most people will never get the chance to go in the first place. This just seems really weird..
I'm sorry but I don't agree with this at all...
I seem to remember someone without a disability having a trip to a foreign country funded by fans who wanted to see the entertainment he provided. Remember MKP at MLG. Yeah people paid for him to go to another country so that he could provide content that would be entertaining for them. This guy isn't out there boozing it up and doing nothing but have a good time on other peoples dime. He is providing content for people like you and others to enjoy. If you don't want to compensate him for that then don't but don't make it sound like asking for help is in any way begging or leeching off of others. He is using the opportunity in a very unselfish way in order to entertain people who want to watch and to inspire folks with or without disabilities.
Remember nobody ever got anywhere without the help of other people.
Another example would be the polish community raising 18k to pay for Yayba's/Draco's wvg in 2009.
On March 21 2012 06:19 shinyA wrote: [...]I don't feel comfortable giving someone money just for their hobby[...]
Me giving you money for you to stay in Korea[...]
[...]asking a community to fund his trip to Korea?[...]
[...]He's asking for a paid vacation[...]
Any/all of his travels have already been paid for. He can travel as much as he wants to for this project. His Watson funding covers any legitimate travel expenses.
I'm not sure how many times that has to be stated before people acknowledge it.
He only needs to raise money for his Personal Care Attendants.
Not that this will probably affect peoples' opinions too much. I feel it is an important distinction though.
No, I probably wouldn't buy a complete stranger a plane ticket to Korea. But this man has been granted a once-in-a-lifetime travel opportunity, but due to his disability, his travel must be contingent upon funding a PCA as well.
It's a horse of a different color. Apples and oranges. High templar and dark templar. Whathaveyou.
On March 21 2012 06:19 shinyA wrote: Me giving you money for you to stay in Korea because you like StarCraft doesn't help anyone, it doesn't even help you beyond the few months of entertainment that you will get. You aren't trying to use the money to help people or give back, you're literally just asking for money because you wanna hang out with progamers in Korea. [...] He's asking for a paid vacation for his hobby, that doesn't help him past the 4-5 months extra he's going to get to stay in korea. He's already been there longer than most people, I mean most people will never get the chance to go in the first place. This just seems really weird..
OP wrote: I have learned that there are other disabled gamers out there. The community at large just hasn't managed to tap into them yet. By networking with some of these people I am laying the groundwork for future efforts to bring these two incredible communities (the disabled gaming community an d the mainstream Starcraft community) closer together. I am meeting these people face to face in order to learn more about what its like for someone with a disability to be a gamer in all of the different cultures I've visited, how gaming and technology has changed their lives, and the unique challenges that people with disabilities all over the world face. I have searched three different continents, countless LAN centers and E-sports events, and even schools to find these people and hear their stories. I have even started my own Starcraft 2 team called TiltGaming which is dedicated to advancing the cause of people with disabilities in the E-sports industry.
About 30 minutes until the showmatch between Matt (LookNoHands) and vVvSpectral. I'm going to be casting it with 'Ultravisitor'. Check it out and hope you enjoy.
On March 21 2012 06:19 shinyA wrote: - You like StarCraft - You can't afford to go to another country for your hobby - You want people to pay for it - You're disabled ???
Everyone has problems and struggles, just because someone is handicapped doesn't make their problem any more important than the many problems others have. You think everyone can just up and move to Korea for a year? Of course not, people have responsiblities and obligations and can't just up and go travel for a year - not to mention the cost it would take for an average person.
I donate to charities every year, give money to the poor, and do volunteer work because there are people less fortunate than me and are living without the basic things needed to survive. I don't feel comfortable giving someone money just for their hobby - I don't see the point. Me giving you money for you to stay in Korea because you like StarCraft doesn't help anyone, it doesn't even help you beyond the few months of entertainment that you will get. You aren't trying to use the money to help people or give back, you're literally just asking for money because you wanna hang out with progamers in Korea. This seems like a homeless person asking for money outside of a liquir store, I'm obviously not going to give him money to buy beer because that's not helping him. If I'm going to give money to someone it's going to be because they need it or if it will help them, not because they simply want it.
I don't understand the whole "he's not letting his disablity get in the way of his dreams". What does his disablity have to do with it? What's the difference in him or someone else asking a community to fund his trip to Korea? I feel for the guy, like he was dealt a really tough life - I get that and if he were asking for something that would help him in his life I would gladly give it but he's not. He's asking for a paid vacation for his hobby, that doesn't help him past the 4-5 months extra he's going to get to stay in korea. He's already been there longer than most people, I mean most people will never get the chance to go in the first place. This just seems really weird..
I'm sorry but I don't agree with this at all...
I seem to remember someone without a disability having a trip to a foreign country funded by fans who wanted to see the entertainment he provided. Remember MKP at MLG. Yeah people paid for him to go to another country so that he could provide content that would be entertaining for them. This guy isn't out there boozing it up and doing nothing but have a good time on other peoples dime. He is providing content for people like you and others to enjoy. If you don't want to compensate him for that then don't but don't make it sound like asking for help is in any way begging or leeching off of others. He is using the opportunity in a very unselfish way in order to entertain people who want to watch and to inspire folks with or without disabilities.
Remember nobody ever got anywhere without the help of other people.
Another example would be the polish community raising 18k to pay for Yayba's/Draco's wvg in 2009.
Yes, because helping a player who couldn't otherwise attend a tournament and help his career + benefit your country in representing itself at a national setting is completely comparable to sending a fan who has already been in Korea for some time more money so he can continue to stay there.
Why don't you try to raise some funds through Kickstarter as well? Set up a stream or blog or somethign that pple who pay can view or get behind the scenes videos or info if they've donated. Just an idea fyi...
I had the opportunity to meet you and a few friends of yours at Dreamhack when you arrived, you sat around in our stand playing SC2 for a while and then I saw you all over the place.
You're such a nice guy, and I really hope that you make it. I'll definitely make sure to chip in and keep my fingers crossed for you. Best of luck!
This is really, really, really lacking a bracket and a schedule so people know when to watch. Yesterday there was a interview with Mr.Bitter about LookNoHands with a mere 170 people watching because nobody knows when the games start, when there is a interview, etc. Please add one!
On March 12 2012 05:08 IronMonocle wrote: I don't mean to be offensive, but I am not convinced that i should donate money to help you prolong your vacation. I too would like to go to korea and i too have a disability however i do not use it for personal gain. I apologize for my bluntness but this is how it is.
It hasn't been much of a vacation. Its been a lot of fun and very enjoyable but it has also been an immense amount of work. It'd be nice to have a vacation once my project is finished though. Maybe we could have a different fundraiser for that?
Sorry but this just doesnt sound right at all.... First you want a fundraiser to cover your expensives and stay in korea, and after that you want to maybe have another fundraiser for a different vacation? when you allready have one right now?
Sorry for being so straight forward... but that just doesnt sound right to me
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