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On November 03 2011 15:47 luxx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:04 eSBL wrote:On November 02 2011 09:48 luxx wrote:But why should you join our league when you already have all those great betting modules on community websites (someone said liquidbet, yeah we are big fans too)? Fantasy esport will be our only focus, we will listen to everything you suggest and add new challenging entertainment as often as possible. Any plans to provide an API? Of course. The bets on the main page are already using (a part of) the API (with the biggest available design). We just have some cross-domain security issues we want to resolve first. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277206¤tpage=6#106 I don't understand. Will there be a way to programmatically interact with your service? I have not seen any betting site provide a REST API.
In short, we want something that looks like the facebook's like box.
Gathering the bets from our domain to display them everywhere, offering the possibility to bet directly from any website that wants a betting module.
With the possibility later for manager to update their tournaments direcly on eSBL (we prefer being in control for the moment).
I'm still trying to figure out what should be the best way, not painful for the other webmasters, not too broadband intensive for us and not insecure for the users.
In the technical point of view, I got stuck with the ajax POST cross-domain request I wanted to use to submit the bet value (which I'm using on eSBL at the moment), and I'm testing a new way.
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I was expecting the full tie so much on the AOL Group !
I just updated the bets, some people will feel really happy considering the odds.
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loving the system so far.... you guys should start implement friend list so i could compare my 'score' with my friends or at least show off smhow x)
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On November 04 2011 05:47 NB wrote:
loving the system so far.... you guys should start implement friend list so i could compare my 'score' with my friends or at least show off smhow x)
They have that feature. Mouse over home, click participants and find your friend. Click your friend to go to their profile and click add rival.
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On November 04 2011 08:03 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 05:47 NB wrote:
loving the system so far.... you guys should start implement friend list so i could compare my 'score' with my friends or at least show off smhow x) They have that feature. Mouse over home, click participants and find your friend. Click your friend to go to their profile and click add rival.
He is right, thanks for the answer.
We are not highlighting this feature because it's just an introduction of what we want to do with friends. I mean look at the participants page, I really need to spend some hours on this one =-).
But feel free to use it of course !
We finally found the issue with ie9, it will be resolved tonight during the quick reboot.
Sorry for ie users.
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Working on an esport project, such a hard time.
Huk fighting \o/
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On November 03 2011 16:07 eSBL wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 15:47 luxx wrote:On November 02 2011 10:04 eSBL wrote:On November 02 2011 09:48 luxx wrote:But why should you join our league when you already have all those great betting modules on community websites (someone said liquidbet, yeah we are big fans too)? Fantasy esport will be our only focus, we will listen to everything you suggest and add new challenging entertainment as often as possible. Any plans to provide an API? Of course. The bets on the main page are already using (a part of) the API (with the biggest available design). We just have some cross-domain security issues we want to resolve first. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277206¤tpage=6#106 I don't understand. Will there be a way to programmatically interact with your service? I have not seen any betting site provide a REST API. In short, we want something that looks like the facebook's like box. Gathering the bets from our domain to display them everywhere, offering the possibility to bet directly from any website that wants a betting module. With the possibility later for manager to update their tournaments direcly on eSBL (we prefer being in control for the moment). I'm still trying to figure out what should be the best way, not painful for the other webmasters, not too broadband intensive for us and not insecure for the users. In the technical point of view, I got stuck with the ajax POST cross-domain request I wanted to use to submit the bet value (which I'm using on eSBL at the moment), and I'm testing a new way.
Most of the widgets like the facebook/twitter buttons are just embedding javascript which creates links that then open a new window, usually https. There plenty of tutorials for that.
What I was referring to was a proper REST API that allows programmatic access. For instance a GET request with a bnet id that return a json / xml list of the bets on that player, matches played, and a POST request that lets the tournament organizer submit match results.
It sounds like the answer is no and that you just expect people to go fill out the results manually. That is how other betting sites work, which is not very interesting from a tool or data prospective. Plenty of time for that later though. Best of luck.
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Most of the widgets like the facebook/twitter buttons are just embedding javascript which creates links that then open a new window, usually https. There plenty of tutorials for that.
Sure, but for a lot a reasons, I won't push it if I'm not absolutely sure it's safe and not too broadband intensive. And most of those tutos don't match those goals very well.
For instance a GET request with a bnet id that return a json / xml list of the bets on that player
This is exactly the main idea of what I want to propose at the end of the week (for players, teams, tournaments, matches and the full list of the current open bets (aka main page)).
example (you need to get the json over ajax though, it will 404 over http):
full list : https://www.esbl.co/bets/
match : https://www.esbl.co/bets/match/216/
Using the bnet id for players is a good idea, I didn't think about it, but it makes a lot of sense.
matches played
I am not sure a lot of people will be interested in more than the bets, you can find way more information on community websites (and liquipedia). Especially because we don't plan on updating the database with older matches.
a POST request that lets the tournament organizer submit match results.
For the moment it's easier to do the update ourselves, and later to let the managers update directly on eSBL. But you are right, let the administration be cross-domain could be the ultimate objective.
I feel like we have mostly the same expectation and ideas, but you are two months ahead of us. Those are very interesting advice though.
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I need a mini-Primadog or Mrbamboo sitting on my shoulder telling me who to pick.
On that note, you should get mrbamboo to write an article to help people in their betting. He's quite the gosu in Fantasy.
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would love to see an iphone/android app for this at some point in the future.
+ Show Spoiler +no BB app though, they suck
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w00t! I won my first bet, bratOK 2-0 over Cloud EZ PZ ^^
I found a little issue in the profile. The "last connexion" details seems to not work, it stays the same as registration date.
Statut:
Participant de la ligue
Inscription:
1 novembre 2011
Dernière connexion:
1 novembre 2011
Pays:
France
inscription : registration
Dernière connexion : last connection
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I need a mini-Primadog or Mrbamboo sitting on my shoulder telling me who to pick.
On that note, you should get mrbamboo to write an article to help people in their betting. He's quite the gosu in Fantasy.
This is a great idea. The kind of article the website could use.
would love to see an iphone/android app for this at some point in the future.
The apps, probably not in a near future. But we are working on a mobile version of the main page.
I found a little issue in the profile. The "last connexion" details seems to not work, it stays the same as registration date.
Did you ever disconnect ? I do a lot (because I'm debugging a lot ^^) and my last log in is correct.
But you are right, it's not a useful info, I should remove it.
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Advantage for those who follow the thread, the facebook or the twitter, we just decided to cover the Asus ROG. If you kept some eDollars (or were very efficient on the NASL/GSL this morning), feel free to bet.
We will cover tomorrow by opening the bets for both finales as soon as the results are updated. We hope this will make this tournament even more fun to watch.
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I think there's a fairly major problem with the betting. When calculating the payout from a winning bet, it uses the final odds after betting is closed for that match, rather than the odds that exist at the time the individual bet was placed.
For instance, I bet on Idra vs Sjow for Idra, at 1.5, but I only got given 1.3 on my bet, because that was the odds when the betting ended.
That seems slightly unfair to me.
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I think there's a fairly major problem with the betting. When calculating the payout from a winning bet, it uses the final odds after betting is closed for that match, rather than the odds that exist at the time the individual bet was placed.
For instance, I bet on Idra vs Sjow for Idra, at 1.5, but I only got given 1.3 on my bet, because that was the odds when the betting ended.
That seems slightly unfair to me.
Hello, the FAQ warns against that.
Our main idea is to improve the competition aspect, so winners are taking exactly losers money, no more (a little because it's round to the superior decimal) no less.
Every time you win, you can enjoy the fact that your money was taken from someone else =-).
So the odds are recalculated every 15 minutes (and a last time before the validation, you are right) according to users betting, and obviously you can have some bad surprises.
Obviously there is a slightly unfair advantage between someone that will log to eSBL multiple times every day to participate at the last minute to every bet, and the standard one visit/day (all bets for the day after are opened at midnight UTC). But, it was designed that way.
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On November 05 2011 05:24 eSBL wrote:Show nested quote +I think there's a fairly major problem with the betting. When calculating the payout from a winning bet, it uses the final odds after betting is closed for that match, rather than the odds that exist at the time the individual bet was placed.
For instance, I bet on Idra vs Sjow for Idra, at 1.5, but I only got given 1.3 on my bet, because that was the odds when the betting ended.
That seems slightly unfair to me. Hello, the FAQ warns against that. Our main idea is to improve the competition aspect, so winners are taking exactly losers money, no more (a little because it's round to the superior decimal) no less. Every time you win, you can enjoy the fact that your money was taken from someone else =-). So the odds are recalculated every 15 minutes (and a last time before the validation, you are right) according to users betting, and obviously you can have some bad surprises. Obviously there is a slightly unfair advantage between someone that will log to eSBL multiple times every day to participate at the last minute to every bet, and the standard one visit/day (all bets for the day after are opened at midnight UTC). But, it was designed that way.
Well, suit yourself, but this is a major problem for me which will stop me playing. I'm usually asleep when betting closes and don't want to be disadvantaged because of major unpredicted swings in votes. Every winning bet I've made so far has returned less than I expected because the votes changed against my favour.
This system completely invalidates standard betting strategies which are all based on static odds. High street bookmakers manage to make winners' money=losers' money (with a small % take for themselves) *and* have static odds for individual bets, so I'm not sure why you can't. I'm sure the maths of balancing such a system would be easy to find.
I really don't understand how such a broken system improves the competition aspect either.
Anyway, you seem to have made a thought-out decision, though I thoroughly disagree with your reasoning. I guess I'll have to go back to my spreadsheet system based on real betting sites. 
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Oh btw since Softball conceded his series to HwangSin, does that count as Hwangsin's victory and a 2-0 win? Or is the entire bet scrubbed away? I think it would be slightly unfair to do the latter as the match was never rescheduled nor forfeited by both sides.
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Well, suit yourself, but this is a major problem for me which will stop me playing. I'm usually asleep when betting closes and don't want to be disadvantaged because of major unpredicted swings in votes. Every winning bet I've made so far has returned less than I expected because the votes changed against my favour.
The timezone issue is interesting, I have to make some numbers of who get stuck because of that depending on the tournaments. We thought at first that it would be pretty balanced because of the high quantity of esport tournaments nowadays, but it's clearly not that simple (especially with gsl and nasl matches around the same time).
This system completely invalidates standard betting strategies which are all based on static odds. High street bookmakers manage to make winners' money=losers' money (with a small % take for themselves) *and* have static odds for individual bets, so I'm not sure why you can't. I'm sure the maths of balancing such a system would be easy to find.
It's not that hard to implement but we lack the database for the moment. We need a lot more results for each player to do the maths, which will mostly be a question of time, every week adds matches and results to the record.
We feel that incorrect static odds would be a lot worse than the actual system.
To be precise, as far as my knowledge go (but I would love to hear advice from a professional), bookmakers are making almost no money on expected results but A LOT from upsets. Their static odds for the upsets, even if they look high, aren't even close to the reality.
I really don't understand how such a broken system improves the competition aspect either.
Maybe you didn't win an upset yet, those who bet on SuperNova (16.2) have a slightly idea of what I mean. If you decide to compete against those who take the safe choice, it might end up a huge success. Because when the safe choice loses 0.1 (like you saw), the upset odds win 1 to 3.
Anyway, you seem to have made a thought-out decision, though I thoroughly disagree with your reasoning. I guess I'll have to go back to my spreadsheet system based on real betting sites.
Nothing is decided during the season 1 / beta. I'm pretty sure we will open a topic about the odds (because it's obviously a major point) on our forum.
It's why feedback such as yourself is very important.
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Oh btw since Softball conceded his series to HwangSin, does that count as Hwangsin's victory and a 2-0 win? Or is the entire bet scrubbed away? I think it would be slightly unfair to do the latter as the match was never rescheduled nor forfeited by both sides.
Sorry but it sounds really logic to us to cancel the bets when the match wasn't played. Maybe a poll on our forum next week about this issue. We'll see. But for today, this match will be canceled (sorry).
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