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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 28 2015 19:45 GMT
#8981
Disenchanting Acidmaw to get Dreadsteeds. #JustWarlockThings

I'm gonna make this deck work, dammit.
It's your boy Guzma!
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 19:47:13
August 28 2015 19:46 GMT
#8982
And now Duvon proffers his own acronym... what does it mean...

I'm very ready for this week to be done. Integration and transitioning roles is so exhausting. Just let me do my thing that I know how to do.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 28 2015 19:48 GMT
#8983
On August 29 2015 04:45 Requizen wrote:
Disenchanting Acidmaw to get Dreadsteeds. #JustWarlockThings

I'm gonna make this deck work, dammit.

I watched Kripp play the dreadsteed deck.
Wasn't impressed.
What is dreadsteed supposed ot even do?
Even if you can use Rivendare and shit, who cares about a bunch of 1/1?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
August 28 2015 19:51 GMT
#8984
On August 29 2015 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:45 Requizen wrote:
Disenchanting Acidmaw to get Dreadsteeds. #JustWarlockThings

I'm gonna make this deck work, dammit.

I watched Kripp play the dreadsteed deck.
Wasn't impressed.
What is dreadsteed supposed ot even do?
Even if you can use Rivendare and shit, who cares about a bunch of 1/1?


No respect for 1/1's is how people die to Paladin decks isn't it?
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 28 2015 19:52 GMT
#8985
On August 29 2015 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:45 Requizen wrote:
Disenchanting Acidmaw to get Dreadsteeds. #JustWarlockThings

I'm gonna make this deck work, dammit.

I watched Kripp play the dreadsteed deck.
Wasn't impressed.
What is dreadsteed supposed ot even do?
Even if you can use Rivendare and shit, who cares about a bunch of 1/1?


I've only faced it once, but lost cuz I just had bad draws and couldn't get rid of the Rivendare. I don't think it's very good, but I can see where it has potential.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 28 2015 19:53 GMT
#8986
On August 29 2015 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:45 Requizen wrote:
Disenchanting Acidmaw to get Dreadsteeds. #JustWarlockThings

I'm gonna make this deck work, dammit.

I watched Kripp play the dreadsteed deck.
Wasn't impressed.
What is dreadsteed supposed ot even do?
Even if you can use Rivendare and shit, who cares about a bunch of 1/1?

But I mean... that's how Zoo decks work. Lots of low cost, low stat minions that you use to make advantageous trades against bigger things. And Dreadsteed is Zoo that doesn't die unless you silence it, which is pretty decent. It makes a great Power Overwhelming target, they can be reliably buffed by Defender of Argus/Sunfury Protector, you can eat them with Void Terror and have them stick around... it's actually not bad, but you have to combo with it, they suck by themselves.
It's your boy Guzma!
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
August 28 2015 19:55 GMT
#8987
On August 29 2015 04:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:24 ComaDose wrote:
But I really think that the releasing of incomplete games would be less if they didnt have DLC options to fall back on.

Sure, but I think that's a pointless argument. "DLC" conceptually is an inevitability of digital distribution as we have now. I don't see a conceivable scenario where DLC as a *concept* wouldn't exist. So arguing that it's existence is a negative impact on game development philosophies might be right, but is also an utterly pointless argument to make.

I suppose so. I guess this is where the community feedback / buying power needs to be enough to stop them from being abused too much but i fear we will become complacent and it will get worse. Batman was a good example of how it can work tho.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 28 2015 20:02 GMT
#8988
On August 29 2015 04:53 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:45 Requizen wrote:
Disenchanting Acidmaw to get Dreadsteeds. #JustWarlockThings

I'm gonna make this deck work, dammit.

I watched Kripp play the dreadsteed deck.
Wasn't impressed.
What is dreadsteed supposed ot even do?
Even if you can use Rivendare and shit, who cares about a bunch of 1/1?

But I mean... that's how Zoo decks work. Lots of low cost, low stat minions that you use to make advantageous trades against bigger things. And Dreadsteed is Zoo that doesn't die unless you silence it, which is pretty decent. It makes a great Power Overwhelming target, they can be reliably buffed by Defender of Argus/Sunfury Protector, you can eat them with Void Terror and have them stick around... it's actually not bad, but you have to combo with it, they suck by themselves.

Yes but it's a 1/1 for 4.
Not a 2/1 for 1.

Cards that you have to heavily build around are often just not good cards.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 28 2015 20:03 GMT
#8989
I kind of doubt i'll feature in a zoo deck. 1/1 for 4 that doesn't die just well doesn't seem that good lol.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 28 2015 20:04 GMT
#8990
On August 29 2015 05:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2015 04:53 Requizen wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 29 2015 04:45 Requizen wrote:
Disenchanting Acidmaw to get Dreadsteeds. #JustWarlockThings

I'm gonna make this deck work, dammit.

I watched Kripp play the dreadsteed deck.
Wasn't impressed.
What is dreadsteed supposed ot even do?
Even if you can use Rivendare and shit, who cares about a bunch of 1/1?

But I mean... that's how Zoo decks work. Lots of low cost, low stat minions that you use to make advantageous trades against bigger things. And Dreadsteed is Zoo that doesn't die unless you silence it, which is pretty decent. It makes a great Power Overwhelming target, they can be reliably buffed by Defender of Argus/Sunfury Protector, you can eat them with Void Terror and have them stick around... it's actually not bad, but you have to combo with it, they suck by themselves.

Yes but it's a 1/1 for 4.
Not a 2/1 for 1.

Cards that you have to heavily build around are often just not good cards.

Unless it's silenced, it's multiple 1/1 Demons for 4. That's sorta like Implosion, but with less burst and more board. And people build decks heavily around lots of things all the time, dunno why you'd think that doesn't happen. It's somewhere between Combo and Zoo.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 20:08:15
August 28 2015 20:07 GMT
#8991
On August 29 2015 05:03 Numy wrote:
I kind of doubt i'll feature in a zoo deck. 1/1 for 4 that doesn't die just well doesn't seem that good lol.

This is the crux of it imo.
If you're a zoo deck, giving up your entire turn 4 to play a 1/1 is godawful.

Like...you have to hope it gets summoned out by that 3/4 dude, but then you're not having the bigger demons with more impact get summoned out.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
August 28 2015 20:11 GMT
#8992
Dreadsteed is bad. At best it's a gimmick unless several new cards are released to support it.

Terrible in Zoo, and not useful in any control decks.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
August 28 2015 20:11 GMT
#8993
Ugh, I want to be home already, I just neef to run 2 instances and kill ~40 mobs and I can accept hunts...I can almost taste endgame content in ff14....
Steam: rook492
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
August 28 2015 20:19 GMT
#8994
Bored, going to space pirate in a cruise liner class ship.
http://www.twitch.tv/parnage Feel free to watch if only for the music o.O
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 20:27:32
August 28 2015 20:23 GMT
#8995
On August 29 2015 05:04 Requizen wrote:
Unless it's silenced, it's multiple 1/1 Demons for 4. That's sorta like Implosion, but with less burst and more board. And people build decks heavily around lots of things all the time, dunno why you'd think that doesn't happen. It's somewhere between Combo and Zoo.

That's not what he's saying.

Most combo/synergy components are good value cards in and of themselves that get even better with synergistic interactions. But intrinsically the cards themselves are decent value or consistent without any further investment.

Realistically if you were going to do some Rivendare Deathrattle combo shit, there's a bunch of stuff that you could play that would just win the game rather than taking time building up a bunch of 1/1s. They'd win the game long before your Dreadsteeds good do anything remotely threatening AND they're already better cards in and of themselves. Think how much you have to do with Dreadsteed+Rivendare compared to just using Skittles for 2 mana less.

Also, it seems like it'd be pretty funny to lose a game due to Dreadsteeds clogging your board given that once you have a full board of Dreadsteeds, you have no way to actually free up board space to play anything unless you have a way to silence your own Dreadsteeds because killing one will instantly replace itself unless it loses its Deathrattle.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 28 2015 20:28 GMT
#8996
All the doubters. I'mma make it work, mark my words.
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 28 2015 20:30 GMT
#8997
Admittedly, given the MtG archetypes discussion yesterday, Dreadsteed is an infinitely better example of a Johnny card than Poisoned Blade.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
August 28 2015 20:31 GMT
#8998
On August 29 2015 05:28 Requizen wrote:
All the doubters. I'mma make it work, mark my words.


It'll be as successful as my Gazlowe Druid was =)
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-28 20:33:06
August 28 2015 20:32 GMT
#8999
Dreadsteed is underrated. That's not to say it's good, but it's definitely underrated. Here's a list of Warlock cards it combos pretty well with:
  • Demonic Sacrifice
  • Power Overwhelming
  • Mortal Coil
  • Demonfire/Demonfuze/Demonheart
  • Void Terror
  • Void Crusher
  • Anima Golem
  • Mal'ganis
So basically every turn after you play Dreadsteed you get 1 free damage, plus an enabler for a lot of other stuff. You still spend too much tempo for the cost, especially in a world where Patron Warrior is still a thing, but it has the potential to be a fairly critical card in future decks.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
August 28 2015 20:33 GMT
#9000
Or it gets silenced and now you just paid 4 mana for a wisp.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
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