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red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 22:33:37
August 18 2017 22:33 GMT
#34481
On August 18 2017 21:36 zer0das wrote:
Blizzard's idea of learning is loot boxes and card packs up the wazhoo for $$$ while releasing patches that saw perhaps 3 seconds of QA for games that are 20 years old. I'm not giving them another cent of money, ever.


I get the frustration because it really is becoming the standard model of gaming but the straight truth is that your money doesn't mean shit because there are people out there spending thousands of dollars on micros and aren't doing it begrudgingly. The stereotypes of gaming populations must be more true than I realized because I can't fathom the 'whale' mentality if you have ANYTHING else in life worth spending money on but it's happening at such a rate that a large portion of the industry is being held up by it, not just a few games.

I play random mobile games and see people literally talk shit about the pricing schemes and mechanisms the games use in one sentence and then talk about their plans for what pack or chest or box of crystals or whatever the fuck else they are buying the next.

I get that a lot of games are doing the 'cosmetics only' thing but the League/Hearthstone model seems pretty fucking popular and if you don't have ground floor entry into the game you basically can't play without significant dollar investment later when they design them like that.

End rant.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
August 18 2017 23:13 GMT
#34482
I mean, obviously my money doesn't mean anything when they've invented a form of gambling that it is impossible for the house to lose. As long as that's legal, I can't really fault them for openly exploiting people who are asking to be exploited. What I can fault them for is being monumentally lazy in how they treat their games considering how much extra cash flow they have from the above.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-18 23:27:20
August 18 2017 23:22 GMT
#34483
The fact that it's still unregulated legal is pretty fucking disgusting. It's preying on addiction the same way casinos work. I mean I could go on whole rants about how fucked up it is allowing casinos to operate the way they do but that's another story. This whale model may be the worst thing that has ever happened to the gaming industry and I pray that developers grow a conscious to move away from it or at the very least governments step in to make it no longer as attractive.

As you say it's pretty surreal that a game like Hearthstone brings in so much money yet they don't seem to actively use the majority of that money in any way I can see. We know it doesn't go back into the game since it's barely worked on. Is it just there to show investors how awesome they are? It's just sick. Man I'm going to be ill. Sleep time

edit: Maybe it's just my socialist tendencies or something but I refuse to believe that companies would be worse off in any medium-long term if they gave one shit about the people they effecting.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 00:54:14
August 19 2017 00:53 GMT
#34484
As buggy as bw remastered has been, credit where it's due they seem to be fixing all the major bugs within a couple of hours of them appearing.

Refusing to pay for bw remastered because you don't like hearthstone's business model is just pleb tier dodging.

We see through you :p
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 19 2017 00:55 GMT
#34485
Japan actually had to change gambling laws for gacha games. It's just not popular enough in the West to get laws changed, but if enough of them get popular, it'll get there.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 19 2017 02:08 GMT
#34486
There was also that thing a while back in China where "lootcrate" systems must publish their probabilities.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
August 19 2017 02:14 GMT
#34487
As my friend from the gym says about lifting:

"Just man up and lift that shit"

Just play BW. Its a man's game.
Forever Young
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 02:52:55
August 19 2017 02:47 GMT
#34488
On August 19 2017 09:53 killerdog wrote:
As buggy as bw remastered has been, credit where it's due they seem to be fixing all the major bugs within a couple of hours of them appearing.

Refusing to pay for bw remastered because you don't like hearthstone's business model is just pleb tier dodging.

We see through you :p


I already bought it, so how's that for dodging?

They also broke the game for weeks at a time when they were preparing the game for remastered (and over weekends too), so no, they didn't fix it within a couple of hours. It was almost broken more than it was working, until the very end when it was stable for a while.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 09:33:31
August 19 2017 09:32 GMT
#34489
On August 19 2017 11:08 Gahlo wrote:
There was also that thing a while back in China where "lootcrate" systems must publish their probabilities.

To my knowledge blizzard tried the hardest they could to find loopholes and skirt those laws. Not sure if they got slapped down and force to give probabilities or got away with skirting law.

Personally don't think that's enough. I also don't believe casinos should be allowed to be designed to psychologically assault you while targeting the most vulnerable people in society but they are so maybe that's just not a popular thought.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 19 2017 09:39 GMT
#34490
On August 19 2017 18:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 11:08 Gahlo wrote:
There was also that thing a while back in China where "lootcrate" systems must publish their probabilities.

To my knowledge blizzard tried the hardest they could to find loopholes and skirt those laws. Not sure if they got slapped down and force to give probabilities or got away with skirting law.

Personally don't think that's enough. I also don't believe casinos should be allowed to be designed to psychologically assault you while targeting the most vulnerable people in society but they are so maybe that's just not a popular thought.

I agree, it is just a small thing, but every bit helps.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 19 2017 10:00 GMT
#34491
On August 19 2017 18:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 11:08 Gahlo wrote:
There was also that thing a while back in China where "lootcrate" systems must publish their probabilities.

To my knowledge blizzard tried the hardest they could to find loopholes and skirt those laws. Not sure if they got slapped down and force to give probabilities or got away with skirting law.

Personally don't think that's enough. I also don't believe casinos should be allowed to be designed to psychologically assault you while targeting the most vulnerable people in society but they are so maybe that's just not a popular thought.

As long as that money gets taxed it will keep existing just like the lottery.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
August 19 2017 13:54 GMT
#34492
On August 19 2017 18:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2017 11:08 Gahlo wrote:
There was also that thing a while back in China where "lootcrate" systems must publish their probabilities.

To my knowledge blizzard tried the hardest they could to find loopholes and skirt those laws. Not sure if they got slapped down and force to give probabilities or got away with skirting law.

Personally don't think that's enough. I also don't believe casinos should be allowed to be designed to psychologically assault you while targeting the most vulnerable people in society but they are so maybe that's just not a popular thought.

Brief google suggests they were made to release them for overwatch at least

http://heavy.com/games/2017/05/overwatch-loot-box-probability-china-blizzard-legendary-rare-epic-drops-blizzard/

Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 15:21:47
August 19 2017 15:21 GMT
#34493
They did that for HS but then people were talking about how those are actual probabilities of individual boxes which lead them to go and change the system to not buying packs but something else that happens to come with packs. Idk it was super dodgy situation. Compare that to Cygames with Shadowverse who actually tell you individual pack percentages with everything in the game itself iirc. It's pretty clear how they trying to be as nontransparent as possible while still confirming to the letter of the law. WOTC is also a lot more transparent.

For example there are "pity timers" so how exactly do they influence pack drops etc. in HS. We have gathered data to make estimates on probabilities but there's no real way of making sure they aren't doing anything suspect behind the scenes with the way they structured their information release.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 15:46:10
August 19 2017 15:44 GMT
#34494
Cygames only tells you that stuff because its their game that got Japanese laws changed, lol. They're legally required to do so.

There's no virtue in doing the right thing only after you got caught.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-19 16:13:24
August 19 2017 15:50 GMT
#34495
So Blizzard but they actually did better job once being caught?

edit: I'm sorry I just get really heated about gambling stuff and just how people abuse human psych to gain profits at the expense of others. Very pro sustainable business decisions that better society, a better society a better consumer for the company a richer company and employees.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
August 19 2017 17:39 GMT
#34496
gambling is like drugs
not sure why casinos are legal but weed is illegal. One seems generally more harmful and dangerous than the other.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 19 2017 18:34 GMT
#34497
Weed isn't illegal in a lot of places.

In general though i think most banned things should be legal, we just need to tax it and put that money into mental health. Because most of these things only exacerbate mental health problems, most of the population can use them safely and responsibly.

And there is some proof marijuana hurts brain development prior to full development of frontal lobe.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 19 2017 19:01 GMT
#34498
All this talk of old blizzard games and the resurgence in popularity of PoE, and I found myself discovering that there is apparently a fairly vibrant D2 community still, ranging from modders to speedrunners.

If I weren't already addicted to mapping (and avoiding adding another game to my list) I'd be tempted to give something like slashdiablo a shot.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 19 2017 19:54 GMT
#34499
On August 20 2017 03:34 iCanada wrote:
Weed isn't illegal in a lot of places.

In general though i think most banned things should be legal, we just need to tax it and put that money into mental health. Because most of these things only exacerbate mental health problems, most of the population can use them safely and responsibly.

And there is some proof marijuana hurts brain development prior to full development of frontal lobe.

That's my opinion too. A lot of things that are banned merely make it exceedingly hard to deal with and cause a lot more heartache instead of taxing/regulating it from the open. I've had family who battled with drugs over the years. Never once thought "this guys is a massive criminal". It's more he needs help and we just don't know how to get him better. The criminal acts he was doing were merely hurting himself and his family due to needing money to buy more drugs. Help the drugs issue and now he's doing a lot better contributing to society.

If he went to jail he'd just be a hardcore criminal now or dead. How is that helping anyone?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 19 2017 20:28 GMT
#34500
The other thing is, I like to gamble. Not a lot, but once or twice a year with a strict ppt of money I expect to lose is a good time.

If you kill gambling you take that kind if thing away from a lot of people, then the people who have problems find the underground shit that is fueling crime.

People struggling with addiction need acceptance and help from the system, not to be made an example of or persecuted. Tough on "crime" stuff just makes these people feel like they have no place to go if they need it. Doesn't solve the problem just pushes it under a rug. Fear of the system won't make an addict stop using. It'll just make him afraid to get help in an emergencies and push him toward sketchy income streams.

Definitely makes no sense.
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