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On May 27 2017 15:53 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:I was pretty proud of my Viktor guide at the time. It definitely collapsed due to my chronic laziness and the rework though  Didn't you declare him trash and unplayable and abandon the guide the same patch that he became FotM? :p
Nah, I switched to Annie for S3 cuz League of Cleavers made winning the mid lane matchup wayyyyyy harder as Viktor. Then it was last semester of senior year, didn't play really at all when they first reworked him. Came back to the game for a bit in S4 and lost my will.
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On May 28 2017 01:11 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
what has happened in my life since then Babies. Babies happened. Also, you weren't playing Magic again yet, lol.
He still isn't really, though. Babies.
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I still follow league since I have an active PBE account with which I can try all the new champions for free. I also try reworks because they're basically new champions every time. Kindred's current rework in particular is funny because it takes a fairly convoluted passive that already can't fully be explained via in game tooltips and makes it even more convoluted. There is no limit to how many paragraphs Riot will cram into a passive.
On May 27 2017 10:37 Alaric wrote:
Hang in there phyvo! That "pool of applicants" thing surprises me a bit, I don't think bird studies are that popular, are they?
This might possibly be a U.S. thing. Where you are (broadly speaking) birds are not particularly charismatic. But the U.S. has a strong history of bird conservation because of James Audubon and later a bunch of people who fought against feathers in the fashion industry 100 years ago. Our eagles and falcons in particular were charismatic animals that were devastated by DDT and helped rally support to ban it. Mammal studies are also popular but the only wildlife field that I'm sure is harder to get into is probably marine biology (dolphins, man, they always win the cool award). Combine that with constant cuts to scientific funding over here and you probably end up with more competition.
I dunno, maybe I'll eventually make it, maybe I'll "unselfishly" switch to parasitology to learn how to actually do things about invasive species (which is not a popular course of study right now even if it's needed), or maybe something else will happen. Life, man.
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On May 28 2017 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Didn't we all
I kept half arsing it until season 5 ended. Which is kinda impressive, because they couldn't get their crap together with servers for most of season 4-5, and then switching to Windows 10 magically fixed most of my issues. Or maybe the server move to Chicago + Windows 10 did it.
Still got bad memories of "oh, you're on wireless? It must be your fault!" nevermind every other program that requires internet doesn't drop every 10-20 seconds. Probably did me a favor in the long run though.
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I want to play more than I do, I just don't have enough time to really get back into it. My duo partner has been playing SC2 hardcore recently, which doesn't help either.
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On May 28 2017 01:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2017 15:53 killerdog wrote:On May 27 2017 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:I was pretty proud of my Viktor guide at the time. It definitely collapsed due to my chronic laziness and the rework though Didn't you declare him trash and unplayable and abandon the guide the same patch that he became FotM? :p Nah, I switched to Annie for S3 cuz League of Cleavers made winning the mid lane matchup wayyyyyy harder as Viktor. Then it was last semester of senior year, didn't play really at all when they first reworked him. Came back to the game for a bit in S4 and lost my will.
Soniv absolutely stopped playing him because he became popular. This is some serious revisionist history.
There was also that other Viktor guy, was it goumindong? Who kept swearing that the Viktor rework was shit even when it was first pick ban in pro games.
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On May 28 2017 09:24 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 01:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 27 2017 15:53 killerdog wrote:On May 27 2017 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:I was pretty proud of my Viktor guide at the time. It definitely collapsed due to my chronic laziness and the rework though Didn't you declare him trash and unplayable and abandon the guide the same patch that he became FotM? :p Nah, I switched to Annie for S3 cuz League of Cleavers made winning the mid lane matchup wayyyyyy harder as Viktor. Then it was last semester of senior year, didn't play really at all when they first reworked him. Came back to the game for a bit in S4 and lost my will. Soniv absolutely stopped playing him because he became popular. This is some serious revisionist history. There was also that other Viktor guy, was it goumindong? Who kept swearing that the Viktor rework was shit even when it was first pick ban in pro games.
But it's bad become his winrate is bad!
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Yeah I was pretty sad/salty about the LL strategy section. That always seemed to me like the avenue where LL could be a good site and attract people, and it never seemed to be a priority for admins.
I worked hard as fuck on my Lux guides and I'm pretty proud of them, but one thread by itself for an off meta champion was never enough to be interesting.
And then she became a fotm pick after I moved.
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just let me be a closet hipster ketara
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On May 28 2017 09:26 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 09:24 Ketara wrote:On May 28 2017 01:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 27 2017 15:53 killerdog wrote:On May 27 2017 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:I was pretty proud of my Viktor guide at the time. It definitely collapsed due to my chronic laziness and the rework though Didn't you declare him trash and unplayable and abandon the guide the same patch that he became FotM? :p Nah, I switched to Annie for S3 cuz League of Cleavers made winning the mid lane matchup wayyyyyy harder as Viktor. Then it was last semester of senior year, didn't play really at all when they first reworked him. Came back to the game for a bit in S4 and lost my will. Soniv absolutely stopped playing him because he became popular. This is some serious revisionist history. There was also that other Viktor guy, was it goumindong? Who kept swearing that the Viktor rework was shit even when it was first pick ban in pro games. But it's bad become his winrate is bad!
Pls no
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On May 28 2017 09:24 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2017 01:24 jcarlsoniv wrote:On May 27 2017 15:53 killerdog wrote:On May 27 2017 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:I was pretty proud of my Viktor guide at the time. It definitely collapsed due to my chronic laziness and the rework though Didn't you declare him trash and unplayable and abandon the guide the same patch that he became FotM? :p Nah, I switched to Annie for S3 cuz League of Cleavers made winning the mid lane matchup wayyyyyy harder as Viktor. Then it was last semester of senior year, didn't play really at all when they first reworked him. Came back to the game for a bit in S4 and lost my will. Soniv absolutely stopped playing him because he became popular. This is some serious revisionist history. There was also that other Viktor guy, was it goumindong? Who kept swearing that the Viktor rework was shit even when it was first pick ban in pro games.
Everyone but Scarra thought Viktor was shit after his rework. 
I really miss articles like the one on juggermaw :'(
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/482919-juggernaut-kogmaw-baiting-with-the-adc
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To be fair to Soniv, his rework was pretty much straight nerfs until the game started to go late to which they were huuge buffs.
Pre-rework Viktor was an early game bully that wanted to win ASAP. Now Viktor is more of an Anivia style "lets stall the game, and I'll wreck shit later" kinda champ.
Its pretty easy to see why someone who played the champ for a long time and was used to trying to force wins early on a champ whose curve was pushed to 30+ minutes from like 6 minutes to 20 minutes would feel the champ is kinda lack luster after the changes. Guy was used to just bodying stuff and winning at 20 minutes when the game went well. Even if he was still winning a good number of games (like 55+%) it would feel like he had no carry power relative to before.
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On May 28 2017 18:13 iCanada wrote:
To be fair to Soniv, his rework was pretty much straight nerfs until the game started to go late to which they were huuge buffs.
Pre-rework Viktor was an early game bully that wanted to win ASAP. Now Viktor is more of an Anivia style "lets stall the game, and I'll wreck shit later" kinda champ.
Its pretty easy to see why someone who played the champ for a long time and was used to trying to force wins early on a champ whose curve was pushed to 30+ minutes from like 6 minutes to 20 minutes would feel the champ is kinda lack luster after the changes. Guy was used to just bodying stuff and winning at 20 minutes when the game went well. Even if he was still winning a good number of games (like 55+%) it would feel like he had no carry power relative to before.
S2, I had ~63% win rate over something ridiculous like 1300 games with him. There were just a lot of factors S3 that made it not make sense to struggle so hard pre-10 min.
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Pre-rework Viktor was still fine late because he had a 0.9 AP 1400 range spell on a short-ish cooldown and he could waveclear for days. His ult also had higher burst damage.
Things that helped were the dumb level scaling on q's damage (that became their new fad and it's still going, so much shit scaling with levels so you don't have to put points into it), how the hexcore became slot-effective rather than cost effective (and it was still decent at the time, that's 100 AP yo), and the fixes on his ult.
The ult's "pathing" and reactivity were atrocious (all the more reason to use it for the initial burst rather than rely on having it follow your target) and there were weird behaviours where sometimes casting the ult on a target wouldn't follow it if other people were inside the aoe (targets an area but it was coded so that if you target a champion with it the ult followed it by default until you redirected it), or the ult would immediatly dash back toward you if you tried to redirect it to someone immediatly after casting it.
They also had the ult move faster once the hexcore was fully upgraded. Pre-rework if you had one of these glitches and your initial target walked away from you the ult wouldn't move fast enough to catch up unless you were almost melee-ing them (so if they run away that's basically follow them inside their whole team), so you'd basically lose out on all the periodic damage which stinks.
There were also other changes in items and everything. Basically pre-rework Viktor would go QEQEE or QEEQE and use the shield to trade autos aggressively early on, and the laser to push slightly (for level advantage) while poking the enemy, W wasn't worth taking.
You'd take exp advantage and trade autos at level 1 when Q's strong, refrain a bit at level 2 'cause E is super expensive, then on level 3 you'd get a burst from putting a skill at level 2, hopefully reaching level 3 first, and go ham on your opponent 'cause most popular mids couldn't win that trade. At level 5 with level 3 E you could do the same, you'd usually get pretty good kill potential at that point (sometimes even earlier if they mishandled your aggression).
If you could get that kill, back for hexcore then reach level 6 first they'd have to be afraid of the all-in. Even if they survive they can't risk fighting you and with 2 drings + hexcore you'd one-shot the ranged minions, letting you shove and affect sidelanes.
After the rework, jungle played differently so you couldn't afford to be that aggressive unless your own jungler was covering for you, starting items were different too, and ignite started being used less often (and now it's basically used maybe half the time?).
Post-rework Viktor was good late but it didn't let you play aggressive and seize the game the same way you did pre-rework, it was weak at early levels (eg. shit when compared to before), so in that sense the rework made him way worse unless you adapted to play the game differently. Think removing Renekton's fury early but buffing his lategame a ton, you wouldn't really be playing Renekton anymore.
Well at least they kept his lore. RIP Galio.
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Holy balls who would have thought we'd actually be talking about league on this site
Is that a first?
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It's okay, you can go back to talking about Magic if you want to.
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They increased the amount of gold per stack that you can carry in Darkest Dungeon to 1750. Wat. And gem stacks of all types to 5.
Also, I wish the game would let me hire some more clerics. I haven't gotten one to show up at camp for like 4-5 quests in a row, and it's reallly freaking annoying because I lost two high leveled ones. Hard to get back into the game when I can't form a reasonable party. I 100% need some clerics to actually have a chance to beat the last version of the cannon boss too.
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On May 29 2017 08:03 zer0das wrote:
They increased the amount of gold per stack that you can carry in Darkest Dungeon to 1750. Wat. And gem stacks of all types to 5.
Also, I wish the game would let me hire some more clerics. I haven't gotten one to show up at camp for like 4-5 quests in a row, and it's reallly freaking annoying because I lost two high leveled ones. Hard to get back into the game when I can't form a reasonable party. I 100% need some clerics to actually have a chance to beat the last version of the cannon boss too.
I really should finish that game at some point.
Already tested the new stream and it seems to work fairly decently so if I ever get the time...
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