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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
May 26 2017 15:06 GMT
#33301
On May 26 2017 21:27 Slayer91 wrote:
There's a few main problems with strategy content
-Good content is time consuming, Easy to lose motivation to keep putting it out.
-The main strategy section here was just guides. The better you get the more you realise that you know almost nothing except about maybe a few of your main champions and even then you usually only play a few different builds. That means you'd need a ton of players to have decent guides.
-Trash arguments as outlined by KD. General mod consensus is to just say "stop you've argued enough" which is generally unsatisfying for the contributors to said argument. A good player could easily say one guy is clearly wrong but it would be a bit oppressive to have that as the moderator action.

Conventional wisdom normally says that you shouldn't write people off because of their rank, but rather find faults in their logic, but the arguments tend to be highly abstracted so I think it would only be practical for peoples solo q rank to be associated with each opinion; someone higher ranked can be wrong too but you'd need a more convincing argument to make up for the possibility the lower skill environment isn't clouding your judgement.

The easiest way to get good strategy discussion is lower ranked guys asking questions to learn and the higher level skill guys will usually have come across and thought about the same problem and can quickly answer.

If you want standalone content I think the best would be game analysis at this point. As mentioned guides require too much individual expertise to be able to have one for each champion, better to look at the what the pros do I guess.

Someone who doesn't main those champions could still analyse a specific lane matchup on a game by game basis.

Scip and I could probably do some game analysis of some of our 5's games which are somewhat organised and at least at diamond MMR. Would basically need a write up about the game in general and gifs and specific analysis of key teamfights and ganks or map movements.

The thing is that would require a pretty insane amount of work. Someone to record and upload a ton of gifv's from the replay, (or use a youtube vod with timestamps but that's messy and doesn't loop). Then a ton of analysis of team comps team fights and things like map movement.

People might read them but we'd probably get bored of the workload and give up after a couple of game's similar to what happened with scip jungle challenge.

If you had a few people working on it and did only one game a week maybe it would be manageable. Could be an idle thing to work on that week instead of browsing more reddit, if it only took an hour per person or so.



a bunch of guides and stuff get outdated every 6 months with pre season or mid season updates
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 26 2017 17:18 GMT
#33302
Oh man, Vi didn't change too much at first but if I were to redo a guide now that they've changed the jungle several times (assuming I still played of course)...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
May 26 2017 17:26 GMT
#33303
I was pretty proud of my Viktor guide at the time. It definitely collapsed due to my chronic laziness and the rework though
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 17:43:33
May 26 2017 17:43 GMT
#33304
I mean, pros only decided to use her after the strategy forum died so she got the nerfbat a bit later, I didn't have that much to update until then.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 26 2017 17:47 GMT
#33305
I'm a homeowner now. Yay?
It's your boy Guzma!
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 26 2017 18:02 GMT
#33306
Depends. Has the house collapsed yet? If not, yay!
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 26 2017 18:47 GMT
#33307
On May 27 2017 03:02 Seuss wrote:
Depends. Has the house collapsed yet? If not, yay!

Relevant xkcd

Now we just have a month to paint, repair things, buy stuff, move, and otherwise be adult people and not children with an income. Sigh.
It's your boy Guzma!
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
May 26 2017 19:21 GMT
#33308
Rejected again, perhaps bird graduate school is a stupid idea. The letters are all the same, right down to "we had a highly competitive pool of applicants". And I had thought that I'd had a very good interview too.

I can't even express all the bad feels.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 26 2017 19:24 GMT
#33309
Homeowner here... i once was like you.

The dark horrible secret is having to repair / maintain thing never ends. You think you clobbered it and it is maintained! But suddenly a light fixture dies. Then a tile cracks. Then your HVAC starts to die. Then you have a few shingles that need replacing. Then you decide to update your windows because they 30 years old and they have a draft akin to a racehorse pissing. Then with the moulding off you discover a hidden water leak from the outside has caused some mold problems and killed your insulation in a 10 ft by 8 ft area. Its like clockwork... every month some little fire needs your love and money.

Aside from that homeownership is incredibly awesome. 10/10 do recommend. I cant imagine having to deal with a land lord again. Can do what i want when i want where i want how i want whenever i want. Its magical. Beautuful. Liberating. Owning is to renting what living on your own is to living with your parents. Truly wonderful.

Just keep a solid cache of "well fuck" maintainence monies. My house was old and cheap so i expected the fuckery (although it inspected well) but my buddy bought a 3 year old place and has had to do about as much work as me. Because well fuck happens... about twice as often as you expect in my experience.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 26 2017 20:41 GMT
#33310
Well luckily it's a townhome, so all the outdoor stuff is taken care of. No basement, which is a bit sad, but it's less to worry about.

But yeah, we have a lot of little things to take care of now and I'm expecting more as we go forward. Oh well, it's kind of nice to have a place to call mine and not be paying someone else's mortgage.
It's your boy Guzma!
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 26 2017 21:49 GMT
#33311
As long as you're prepared for it you're golden and you'll love it.

^_^

Congratz.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 01:50:25
May 27 2017 01:37 GMT
#33312
Hang in there phyvo! That "pool of applicants" thing surprises me a bit, I don't think bird studies are that popular, are they?

12 people at the store today, and to my surprise some of them hate 6-man pods so much they'd settled on trying a 12-man one.
Spoilers: it's a clusterfuck.
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Between the dumb print runs and nothing wheeling, it feels like signals come later than usual, and you can't speculate on the wheel either which is a shame. Obviously there being a mismatch of experience amongst players had a role.

My sit was UG. No ifs, buts or whatever. P1P3 Sandwurm Convergence, I passed 2 Naga Vitalists and a Gift of Paradise, and pick 9 or 10 could (should) have been Bounty of the Luxa. I'd wavered between BW and UG because I had decent W cards as early picks and U wasn't particularly great.
Basically do I stick to my early picks and pray for pack 2 (pack 3 would obviously have no W), or do speculate that since the pair is so open I'll get every good card in the colours thrown at me.
A pick 6 or 7 Wayward Servant made me wanna try BW since I hadn't played it, for once.

Another thing is that my left neighbour is somebody I know settles early in his colours and tends to read signals very strongly. My first pick was Oketra's Attendant in a pack with 5 W cards, including Vizier of Derferment and I figured he might think from it that W's open (he did that to me in EMN once, where I picked Collective Effort passing a pacifism, then Cryptbreaker passing another decent W common, and he inferred from these picks 2 and 3 for him that W was open, ended up trainwrecking me by cutting it all pack 2).
I also passed Final Reward to him pick 4. Thing is, from amount of drafts, personal bias and experience, there are several layers of card evaluation at the store and I know most people value it "as usual" for an instant speed unconditional removal, while I'll always take the first Splendid Agony over it as early interaction with aggro. I thought a bit about that pack, I wasn't considering BW yet but I knew that passing it to this guy would be seen as a "B is wide open!" signal, potentially removing the colour for contention (as pretty much no matter what mediocre stuff I'd pass after that, he'd cut me hard pack 2). I thought back on it after moving toward BW, but decided it was worth it, especially since some of the valuable cards for me wouldn't necessarily interest him.

He ended up in BW and thus had a bad deck too and cut me from a few goodies, and the guy 3 sits down was BW too, so there wasn't much for me. As predicted W didn't have much in pack 3 (got another Attendant but the pack was stacked, with foil Prepare // Fight too and another card) and my right neighbour in RW, despite being on his first draft did fairly well and took things like cartouches and Unwavering Initiates.

Basically, I bricked because of my own decisions. Of course the dynamics of AKH's ridiculous print runs and a silly 12-man pods were at play too, but I made the conscious decision to go into into a non-open pair I had stronger cards for (expected W to come back pack 2 over G to be fair, what with passing vitalists and such) over the open pairing for my sit.
The fact that I had meta-reads on my neighbour and was spot on on his evaluation of what I passed is an interesting bit for me too since it means it's something I can count on in the future to help shape hard pick decisions.

Oh, I opened a Glyph Keeper pack 3, just to punish me (and a green cartouche pack 2).

My deck was basically 2x Miasmic Mummy, 2x Doomed Dissenter, 2x Oketra's Attendant, 2x In Oketra's Name, and a single 3-drop (Cursed Minotaur). RIP curve-outs. I won games off the back of Cartouche of Ambition on an evasive guy and flyers, match 3 crushed me with a GW exert deck that could curve out well and didn't have many non-creature spells, but shit like W Monument and Trial, G Trial, and a couple cartouches. Game 1 he went t3 monument t4 Ahn-Crop Champion then just 2 creatures per turn, and a 4/4 is already bigger than most of my stuff. Game 2 was won off topdecking Wayward Servant when I only had Miasmic Mummy in hand, putting me at 4 life against a Gustwalker (and my opponent didn't topdeck a pump spell). Game 3 he went wide again and I couldn't match him 'cause my turn 3 "play" was Miasmic Mummy+equip Kopesh over a 3-drop. Never drew my juicy anti-monument tech Trespasser's Curse.

One of the funsies game was Fan Bearer -> Wayward Servant -> Dread Wanderer+tap vitalist in his upkeep to prevent ramping -> Tah-Crop Elite with only 2x In Oketra's Name left in hand, eg. potentially 25 damage next turn. He killed the Fan Bearer with a Cartouche of Strength and I still had 19 damage. He chose not to block after I exerted the Elite and since I got a couple hits in earlier it just one-shot him. Most explosive start I saw for that deck.

My pile went 2-1, surprisingly, and between losing to the winner and several draws we only had one 3-0 guy so it made me 2nd. What.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 27 2017 01:56 GMT
#33313
Remember people, don't be like me. Be smart and put your money in your wallet instead of just in your pocket and tell yourself you'll move it over later.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 27 2017 02:29 GMT
#33314
How much did unsmart yourself?
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
May 27 2017 02:34 GMT
#33315
On May 27 2017 11:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
How much did unsmart yourself?

$25, which is about 2 weeks of disposable income for me.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
May 27 2017 06:53 GMT
#33316
On May 27 2017 02:26 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I was pretty proud of my Viktor guide at the time. It definitely collapsed due to my chronic laziness and the rework though

Didn't you declare him trash and unplayable and abandon the guide the same patch that he became FotM? :p
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 15:13:38
May 27 2017 15:13 GMT
#33317
It's pretty funny reading old guides, like http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-strategy/427678-ultimate-guide-fizz-the-tidal-trickster

I miss the old jungle items :[
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
May 27 2017 15:49 GMT
#33318
My lulu guide became irrelevant within like 2 patches. Champs dead to me now lol
TL/SKT
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 27 2017 16:06 GMT
#33319
On May 28 2017 00:13 Ansibled wrote:
It's pretty funny reading old guides, like http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-strategy/427678-ultimate-guide-fizz-the-tidal-trickster

I miss the old jungle items :[

Jesus I remember the atrioc guides.
That was four years ago already my god.

I'm having a minor crisis here thinking about what has happened in my life since then and what I was doing on TL
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
May 27 2017 16:11 GMT
#33320
On May 28 2017 01:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
what has happened in my life since then

Babies. Babies happened.

Also, you weren't playing Magic again yet, lol.
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