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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 15 2013 18:37 GMT
#5601
On October 16 2013 03:28 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:17 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
On October 16 2013 03:15 cLutZ wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:48 cLutZ wrote:
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.

It would be risk-free without that is effectively economic/financial suicide being committed. The US remains highly solvent (that is, financially able to pay off the debt), the issue remains liquidity (won't have the capital at hand because of ridiculous debt ceiling shenanigans).

Barring aforementioned politicking, US debt remains one of the safest assets available on the market currently (though it's very unlikely you'll get anything more than a miniscule return on it with current interest rates and QE in effect); part and parcel of the USD being used as the primary means of foreign reserve (though this will change over the next few decade[s]).


I dont think a wise person would ever consider sovereign debt of any kind "risk free", because there is no entity that can compel them to pay you. It has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with who can ensure you get your money if that entity doesn't want to pay you. With regard to America, the answer is no one.


that's an extremely extremist (hah) view to take...

by this logic there is NO risk free asset, period.


I would agree with this sentiment largely. More importantly, I think that people have, in the past, overly discounted the potential for political discourse and instability to affect the ability of countries to repay debts. The whole system is based on historically unprecedented norms created in the post WWII climate that inevitably would change.


Fiat money has a several thousand year history.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:43:01
October 15 2013 18:42 GMT
#5602
On October 16 2013 03:30 xes wrote:
But what about bitcoins

HERETIC. BURN THE HERETIC LEST HIS CORRUPTION SPREAD.

+ Show Spoiler +
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 15 2013 18:55 GMT
#5603
To momentarily turn the topic away from the impending American cataclysm...

The fucking upper levels of the Pokemon Amie minigames are IMPOSSIBLE. Hard level berry grabbing is CRAZY.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 19:06:00
October 15 2013 19:05 GMT
#5604
I kinda wish I had invested in bitcoin when I first starting hearing news about it. Would actually have a lot more money than I do right now, given I heard the news back when it first was created.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2013 19:06 GMT
#5605
On October 16 2013 04:05 phyvo wrote:
I kinda wish I had invested in bitcoin when I first starting hearing news about it. Would actually have a lot more money than I do right now.


Growing up, my dad knew the guys who started ESPN. They invited him into it, but he declined saying "Who would want to watch a network of only sports all the time?"

*sigh* if only...
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
October 15 2013 19:13 GMT
#5606
On October 16 2013 04:06 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 04:05 phyvo wrote:
I kinda wish I had invested in bitcoin when I first starting hearing news about it. Would actually have a lot more money than I do right now.


Growing up, my dad knew the guys who started ESPN. They invited him into it, but he declined saying "Who would want to watch a network of only sports all the time?"

*sigh* if only...


YOU COULD HAVE BEEN THE CHOSEN ONE TO BRING ESPORTS TO TV. Quick! Make a time machine.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
October 15 2013 19:13 GMT
#5607
On October 16 2013 04:05 phyvo wrote:
I kinda wish I had invested in bitcoin when I first starting hearing news about it. Would actually have a lot more money than I do right now, given I heard the news back when it first was created.

Bitcoin would've been a great investment if you were one of the first, because you'd be able to effectively fleece all the people who are jumping on it now (and probably losing money on it). The wonders of deflation and a static money supply.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 15 2013 19:22 GMT
#5608
On October 16 2013 03:37 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:28 cLutZ wrote:
On October 16 2013 03:17 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
On October 16 2013 03:15 cLutZ wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:48 cLutZ wrote:
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.

It would be risk-free without that is effectively economic/financial suicide being committed. The US remains highly solvent (that is, financially able to pay off the debt), the issue remains liquidity (won't have the capital at hand because of ridiculous debt ceiling shenanigans).

Barring aforementioned politicking, US debt remains one of the safest assets available on the market currently (though it's very unlikely you'll get anything more than a miniscule return on it with current interest rates and QE in effect); part and parcel of the USD being used as the primary means of foreign reserve (though this will change over the next few decade[s]).


I dont think a wise person would ever consider sovereign debt of any kind "risk free", because there is no entity that can compel them to pay you. It has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with who can ensure you get your money if that entity doesn't want to pay you. With regard to America, the answer is no one.


that's an extremely extremist (hah) view to take...

by this logic there is NO risk free asset, period.


I would agree with this sentiment largely. More importantly, I think that people have, in the past, overly discounted the potential for political discourse and instability to affect the ability of countries to repay debts. The whole system is based on historically unprecedented norms created in the post WWII climate that inevitably would change.


Fiat money has a several thousand year history.


Im talking about political and financial stability, not fiat money. Before WWII there was a major continental war on Europe, Asia, or America just about every 20 years, usually following, or preceding massive financial shocks.
Freeeeeeedom
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 15 2013 19:41 GMT
#5609
Fuck your pokemans, Sweden is currently kicking Germany's ass in football!
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 15 2013 19:46 GMT
#5610
On October 16 2013 04:41 Osmoses wrote:
Fuck your pokemans, Sweden is currently kicking Germany's ass in football!

We're up 1-0 on Poland, this is a good day.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 15 2013 19:46 GMT
#5611
On October 16 2013 04:41 Osmoses wrote:
Fuck your pokemans, Sweden is currently kicking Germany's ass in football!

You mean soccer right?
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2013 19:51 GMT
#5612
Futbol, not handegg
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 15 2013 19:56 GMT
#5613


Let me present to you in the grand tradition laid down by Rebecca Black's Friday... Allison Gold's Chinese Food.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 20:00:22
October 15 2013 19:57 GMT
#5614
I...don't think I want to watch that.

edit: 5k - worth
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
October 15 2013 19:57 GMT
#5615
handeggball.
eggrollball
Chinese fried handeggrollball

I'm hungry.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 15 2013 19:58 GMT
#5616
On October 16 2013 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...don't think I want to watch that.

Friday was painful, I think I can live without hearing something along those lines.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 20:01:04
October 15 2013 19:58 GMT
#5617
Decided, in the meanwhile that I save for X/Y and a 3ds, I'd play through some of my older pkmn games.

Turns out my I can't find my emerald preorder tin, which is where I kept my emerald, leaf green, diamond, platinum, and soul silver. FUUUU. All I can locate is my black and GBC Gold. T_T
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 15 2013 19:59 GMT
#5618
On October 16 2013 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...don't think I want to watch that.


best 5k post ever
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2013 20:00 GMT
#5619
On October 16 2013 04:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I...don't think I want to watch that.


best 5k post ever


total worth, I knew I'd blow it on something in this thread (I never plan on doing anything fancy - maybe 10k, if I last that long)
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
October 15 2013 20:02 GMT
#5620
Friday was catchier. Equally ridiculous. After clubbing I get hungry and grumpy! Oh wait I'm 15.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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