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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 15 2013 16:42 GMT
#5581
On October 16 2013 01:36 phyvo wrote:
I actually find hanging around in certain nerd circles pretty uncomfortable even though I'm about as nerdy as it gets.

As an example, one time a gregarious non-nerd friend told me "oh my goodness I know this other guy who plays video games and you should meet him!" We met, found out we played entirely different video games, then tried not to stare at each other until one of us left.

I have much better luck interacting with other kinds of people, though there are a few exceptions.


It's just because nerdships (nerd + friendship) take more time to culminate than just one meeting. See if you were a roommate of a person who played completely different games than you, you'd start influencing him and he'd start influencing you. Maybe a hardcore MOBA gamer wouldn't become a CS:GO or Madden (lol) pro, but maybe he might feel that inkling sometimes that will make him want to log on and shoot some people in the face.
Hey! How you doin'?
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 17:14:41
October 15 2013 16:52 GMT
#5582
The one group of nerds/geeks that I have a lot of trouble relating to are the anime types. I've gone a few cons with an open mind and curiosity about what is the big deal with all of this, and the people I met are just too ... different. It's kind of sad because to the general public, gamers, anime folks, bookworms, etc are all the same.

I should note that once you enter adult life (or even just leave high school), most of the labels don't matter and no one cares. I talk about being a nerd, but my "identity" is probably closer to a young professional with nerdy hobbies.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 17:28:10
October 15 2013 17:04 GMT
#5583
It's strangely refreshing to meet a project manager who doesn't seem too at ease with the current project nor with her own qualifications.
I mean, we certainly don't have the most laid back or qualified person ever for the job, but it kinda breaks the picture given by all the others who're way more competent than you and know so much more stuff and make you wonder if you'll manage to get at ease with leading a team and being its technical referent in only a few years.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
October 15 2013 17:08 GMT
#5584
On October 16 2013 01:16 Slayer91 wrote:
roffles is a good man now?

No. I don't know where that misconception came from.
God Bless
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 17:19:44
October 15 2013 17:15 GMT
#5585
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/what-happens-if-we-actually-truly-default.html

this is a reasonably realistic "what if" of a US default; posting since we talked about it for a bit last week

though despite the "nightmare scenario" title this is actually a pretty reserved projection; a true "nightmare scenario" would see european markets crash through the night before US markets even open, and when the US markets open, continue crashing ~_~

warning: boring if you dont actually care about finance

Awooo...
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 15 2013 17:39 GMT
#5586
On October 16 2013 02:08 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 01:16 Slayer91 wrote:
roffles is a good man now?

No. I don't know where that misconception came from.


I think when you received the nickname Dr Roffles, people mistakenly think it means you're a doctor, and therefore your credibility shot up.

Or maybe I'm just happy it stuck.
Hey! How you doin'?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 15 2013 17:45 GMT
#5587
On October 16 2013 02:15 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/what-happens-if-we-actually-truly-default.html

this is a reasonably realistic "what if" of a US default; posting since we talked about it for a bit last week

though despite the "nightmare scenario" title this is actually a pretty reserved projection; a true "nightmare scenario" would see european markets crash through the night before US markets even open, and when the US markets open, continue crashing ~_~

warning: boring if you dont actually care about finance



Interesting read

He says that he has been informed by Secretary Lew that today will be the day that the United States of America fails to make a timely payment on its debt.


It feels weird to say this as if we aren't already ~$16 trillion in debt

Congressman Ted Yoho in the hallways outside his office, who dodges the reporter's questions about his previous statement that a U.S. default would "bring stability to the world markets."


*face desk* I honestly feel like no politicians have passed Economics 101...

It's also absurd to think how selfish the politicians are. It's not ok to play chicken when it's our money at stake. It's even worse when you consider that the entire world economy is partially hinged on us.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 15 2013 17:48 GMT
#5588
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.
Freeeeeeedom
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:02:24
October 15 2013 17:58 GMT
#5589
On October 16 2013 02:48 cLutZ wrote:
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.

It would be risk-free without that is effectively economic/financial suicide being committed. The US remains highly solvent (that is, financially able to pay off the debt), the issue remains liquidity (won't have the capital at hand because of ridiculous debt ceiling shenanigans).

Barring aforementioned politicking, US debt remains one of the safest assets available on the market currently (though it's very unlikely you'll get anything more than a miniscule return on it with current interest rates and QE in effect); part and parcel of the USD being used as the primary means of foreign reserve (though this will change over the next few decade[s]).
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:17:13
October 15 2013 18:08 GMT
#5590
A risk-free asset is one that returns at the risk-free rate. + Show Spoiler +
8)


This is a much cooler treatment of neoliberal capitalism because ZOMBIES http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/10/01/the-zombie-apocalypse-has-arrived/

Also Eugene Fama just received the Swedish* Bank Prize (in Economics [in memory of Alfred Nobel]) for asset pricing i.e. the efficient-market hypothesis / CAPM which is pretty much crapshit. But I figure cheep and other work slackers might find their interview on it interesting https://news.uchicago.edu/multimedia/fama-hansen-discuss-nobel-memorial-prize-economics
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Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
October 15 2013 18:11 GMT
#5591
On October 16 2013 03:08 xes wrote:
A risk-free asset is one that returns at the risk-free rate. + Show Spoiler +
8)


This is a much cooler treatment of neoliberal capitalism because ZOMBIES http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/10/01/the-zombie-apocalypse-has-arrived/

Also Eugene Fama just received the Swiss Bank Prize (in Economics [in memory of Alfred Nobel]) for asset pricing i.e. the efficient-market hypothesis / CAPM which is pretty much crapshit. But I figure cheep and other work slackers might find their interview on it interesting https://news.uchicago.edu/multimedia/fama-hansen-discuss-nobel-memorial-prize-economics


*swedish bank

also that's just dishonest xes, the prize was jointly awarded to fama hansen and shiller, which represents the opposite view as well :<
Awooo...
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2013 18:12 GMT
#5592
On October 16 2013 01:16 Slayer91 wrote:
roffles is a good man now?

He's escaped the system. We should all aspire to be Roffles.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:12:59
October 15 2013 18:12 GMT
#5593
ya'll don't know anything about global economics:
+ Show Spoiler +




On October 16 2013 03:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 01:16 Slayer91 wrote:
roffles is a good man now?

He's escaped the system. We should all aspire to be Roffles.


the only thing he's escaped is a perma ban
and only because he's a translator
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 15 2013 18:15 GMT
#5594
On October 16 2013 02:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 02:48 cLutZ wrote:
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.

It would be risk-free without that is effectively economic/financial suicide being committed. The US remains highly solvent (that is, financially able to pay off the debt), the issue remains liquidity (won't have the capital at hand because of ridiculous debt ceiling shenanigans).

Barring aforementioned politicking, US debt remains one of the safest assets available on the market currently (though it's very unlikely you'll get anything more than a miniscule return on it with current interest rates and QE in effect); part and parcel of the USD being used as the primary means of foreign reserve (though this will change over the next few decade[s]).


I dont think a wise person would ever consider sovereign debt of any kind "risk free", because there is no entity that can compel them to pay you. It has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with who can ensure you get your money if that entity doesn't want to pay you. With regard to America, the answer is no one.
Freeeeeeedom
Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:17:24
October 15 2013 18:17 GMT
#5595
On October 16 2013 03:15 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 02:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:48 cLutZ wrote:
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.

It would be risk-free without that is effectively economic/financial suicide being committed. The US remains highly solvent (that is, financially able to pay off the debt), the issue remains liquidity (won't have the capital at hand because of ridiculous debt ceiling shenanigans).

Barring aforementioned politicking, US debt remains one of the safest assets available on the market currently (though it's very unlikely you'll get anything more than a miniscule return on it with current interest rates and QE in effect); part and parcel of the USD being used as the primary means of foreign reserve (though this will change over the next few decade[s]).


I dont think a wise person would ever consider sovereign debt of any kind "risk free", because there is no entity that can compel them to pay you. It has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with who can ensure you get your money if that entity doesn't want to pay you. With regard to America, the answer is no one.


that's an extremely extremist (hah) view to take...

by this logic there is NO risk free asset, period.
Awooo...
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:27:42
October 15 2013 18:20 GMT
#5596
On October 16 2013 03:12 Slayer91 wrote:
ya'll don't know anything about global economics:
+ Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyHPYqeKbxI

Alright, that was well played.

He's not advocating for a return of the US to the gold standard, so I'd rate his understanding of it better than some other folks I know of.

On October 16 2013 03:15 cLutZ wrote:I dont think a wise person would ever consider sovereign debt of any kind "risk free", because there is no entity that can compel them to pay you. It has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with who can ensure you get your money if that entity doesn't want to pay you. With regard to America, the answer is no one.

By your definition, nothing is risk-free.

The criteria that there is no coercive force that will ensure an entity pays redeems your debt is rather silly, given that there is no need for it. If the US refuses to redeem its bonds after they mature, then the US government wrecks its ability to finance future deficits and debt at what is currently almost an effective 0% interest rate. It's in no one's interest for the US to refuse to redeem its bonds after maturation.

If you'd prefer, you can think of US debt as the "most risk-free", given all the factors that coalesce to facilitate it. What alternates are you going to resort to that's safer, gold? :x
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 15 2013 18:25 GMT
#5597
On October 16 2013 03:11 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:08 xes wrote:
A risk-free asset is one that returns at the risk-free rate. + Show Spoiler +
8)


This is a much cooler treatment of neoliberal capitalism because ZOMBIES http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/10/01/the-zombie-apocalypse-has-arrived/

Also Eugene Fama just received the Swiss Bank Prize (in Economics [in memory of Alfred Nobel]) for asset pricing i.e. the efficient-market hypothesis / CAPM which is pretty much crapshit. But I figure cheep and other work slackers might find their interview on it interesting https://news.uchicago.edu/multimedia/fama-hansen-discuss-nobel-memorial-prize-economics


*swedish bank

also that's just dishonest xes, the prize was jointly awarded to fama hansen and shiller, which represents the opposite view as well :<

Pls Hansen is a smurf

But you're right, Fama does hate Shiller's guts
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 15 2013 18:28 GMT
#5598
On October 16 2013 03:17 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:15 cLutZ wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:48 cLutZ wrote:
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.

It would be risk-free without that is effectively economic/financial suicide being committed. The US remains highly solvent (that is, financially able to pay off the debt), the issue remains liquidity (won't have the capital at hand because of ridiculous debt ceiling shenanigans).

Barring aforementioned politicking, US debt remains one of the safest assets available on the market currently (though it's very unlikely you'll get anything more than a miniscule return on it with current interest rates and QE in effect); part and parcel of the USD being used as the primary means of foreign reserve (though this will change over the next few decade[s]).


I dont think a wise person would ever consider sovereign debt of any kind "risk free", because there is no entity that can compel them to pay you. It has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with who can ensure you get your money if that entity doesn't want to pay you. With regard to America, the answer is no one.


that's an extremely extremist (hah) view to take...

by this logic there is NO risk free asset, period.


I would agree with this sentiment largely. More importantly, I think that people have, in the past, overly discounted the potential for political discourse and instability to affect the ability of countries to repay debts. The whole system is based on historically unprecedented norms created in the post WWII climate that inevitably would change.
Freeeeeeedom
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 15 2013 18:30 GMT
#5599
But what about bitcoins
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Vegetarian Wolf
Profile Joined May 2010
China434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 18:32:36
October 15 2013 18:31 GMT
#5600
On October 16 2013 03:30 xes wrote:
But what about bitcoins


you fknoob troll lol

On October 16 2013 03:28 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2013 03:17 Vegetarian Wolf wrote:
On October 16 2013 03:15 cLutZ wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
On October 16 2013 02:48 cLutZ wrote:
Probably about time for world finance to reconsider what a "risk free asset" is anyways. But, yes, mismanagement by the treasury not paying coupon payments on outstanding debt would make the shit hit the fan.

It would be risk-free without that is effectively economic/financial suicide being committed. The US remains highly solvent (that is, financially able to pay off the debt), the issue remains liquidity (won't have the capital at hand because of ridiculous debt ceiling shenanigans).

Barring aforementioned politicking, US debt remains one of the safest assets available on the market currently (though it's very unlikely you'll get anything more than a miniscule return on it with current interest rates and QE in effect); part and parcel of the USD being used as the primary means of foreign reserve (though this will change over the next few decade[s]).


I dont think a wise person would ever consider sovereign debt of any kind "risk free", because there is no entity that can compel them to pay you. It has nothing to do with ability, it has to do with who can ensure you get your money if that entity doesn't want to pay you. With regard to America, the answer is no one.


that's an extremely extremist (hah) view to take...

by this logic there is NO risk free asset, period.


I would agree with this sentiment largely. More importantly, I think that people have, in the past, overly discounted the potential for political discourse and instability to affect the ability of countries to repay debts. The whole system is based on historically unprecedented norms created in the post WWII climate that inevitably would change.


the entire financial system is all artificial anyways there's nothing inherent about any of it, so i don't see how the current system being based on arbitrary post-ww2 norms is relevant
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