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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
February 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#261
On February 12 2023 22:36 swarminfestor wrote:
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On February 12 2023 22:35 SmoKim wrote:
7000 viewers left because Serral lost?


Xainon is in shamble.


Ah... Xainon vs Koreaboo, those were the days
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
February 12 2023 13:37 GMT
#262
holy ragnarocknroll
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
mintyminmus
Profile Joined September 2022
Australia127 Posts
February 12 2023 13:38 GMT
#263
Unfortunately, i think TIME's run is likely going to end here unless reynor wants to play protoss. Now that they are teammates its likely Reynor has a pretty good understanding of TIME's styles and strategies.
It would be a great run for TIME no matter winning or losing.
I also like Reynor's chances a lot more as the last foreigner still in the field.
xyfan
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 12 2023 13:39 GMT
#264
As cool as Oliveira's run was, this is probably going to be a brutal slaughter.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
February 12 2023 13:40 GMT
#265
On February 12 2023 22:36 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:35 SmoKim wrote:
7000 viewers left because Serral lost?


Xainon is in shamble.


rofl.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
February 12 2023 13:41 GMT
#266
On February 12 2023 22:36 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:35 SmoKim wrote:
7000 viewers left because Serral lost?


Xainon is in shamble.


Or maybe it's just about lunchtime in EU.

Serral won his world championships while looking dominant in ZvZ, I didn't have high hopes for him after watching the groupstage.

I was rooting for Reynor and herO this time, anyway.
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
February 12 2023 13:41 GMT
#267
On February 12 2023 22:37 Waxangel wrote:
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On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.


Eh I'm a big everything is valid person. Like I hate all that stuff about people trying to discredit the Lakers NBA championship in the bubble, and I hate the lakers too

Well, even ESL was implying that IEM was not "legit" because they cut the entire prize pool by 50%.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 12 2023 13:41 GMT
#268
Reynor already losing the mindgames
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33701 Posts
February 12 2023 13:42 GMT
#269
On February 12 2023 22:37 Elentos wrote:
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On February 12 2023 22:35 Waxangel wrote:

Wasn't it Lambo saying that nobody in Europe was practicing ZvZ these days and that Serral laughed at him when he asked him to play?


I thought it was the other way around where Serral said he couldn't get anyone to practice with him cause he was the only one in the ZvZ hell group
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
February 12 2023 13:43 GMT
#270
On February 12 2023 22:37 Hider wrote:
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On February 12 2023 22:35 DBooN wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:31 Hider wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:27 Pandemona wrote:
Looking at the replay, by the time Serral GG's out he was down 20 attack supply? was 50 vs 30 with RagnaroK reinforcements coming and he was down on upgrades too? I think the GG was fine, plus as RagnaroK said, the Larva issue was huge for him as he over invested in drones?


At the time he shakes his head he is down 3 army supply.

If he retreats with the 4 roaches he has on top of the ramp in his nat and wait for reinforcements + a temporary drone pull he holds it off somewhat easily (although the economy difference will be evened out somewhat).

At the exact time he GG*ed, yeh it was pretty tough but he given up doing anything 5 seconds prior.

He was down 3 army supply while 20 of his army supply were in production, i.e. dead.


No that's why you retreat further back and then pull drones. You just need to win a few seconds there. Most of them were just about to pop out. Serral not even attempting to retreat indicated he wasn't aware just how much he had in production.

There is almost zero chance he doesn't survive that engagement if he does that.

I see him shaking his head at 2:51:14 in the vod. He has 42 army supply of which 26 are not on the field, 6 queens and his last couple of roaches are surrounded. He has nothing to retreat with.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16091 Posts
February 12 2023 13:43 GMT
#271
On February 12 2023 22:37 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:35 DBooN wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:31 Hider wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:27 Pandemona wrote:
Looking at the replay, by the time Serral GG's out he was down 20 attack supply? was 50 vs 30 with RagnaroK reinforcements coming and he was down on upgrades too? I think the GG was fine, plus as RagnaroK said, the Larva issue was huge for him as he over invested in drones?


At the time he shakes his head he is down 3 army supply.

If he retreats with the 4 roaches he has on top of the ramp in his nat and wait for reinforcements + a temporary drone pull he holds it off somewhat easily (although the economy difference will be evened out somewhat).

At the exact time he GG*ed, yeh it was pretty tough but he given up doing anything 5 seconds prior.

He was down 3 army supply while 20 of his army supply were in production, i.e. dead.


No that's why you retreat further back and then pull drones. You just need to win a few seconds there. Most of them were just about to pop out. Serral not even attempting to retreat indicated he wasn't aware just how much he had in production.

There is almost zero chance he doesn't survive that engagement if he does that.

yeah also a lot of Ragnaroks army supply was also in eggs or crossing the map. At the time Serral left he was maybe down 4-5 Roaches which can be easily stalled with a drone pull and he had 12 Roaches in production while Ragnarok was only reinforcing lings. I stand by it, the game was over in Serral's favor
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
February 12 2023 13:43 GMT
#272
On February 12 2023 22:41 tigera6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:37 Waxangel wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.


Eh I'm a big everything is valid person. Like I hate all that stuff about people trying to discredit the Lakers NBA championship in the bubble, and I hate the lakers too

Well, even ESL was implying that IEM was not "legit" because they cut the entire prize pool by 50%.


That's not exactly fair. They can't offer the same amount of money when they are making only a fraction on the event that they normally do.

Though I suppose that same logic applies to that tournament costing a lot less as well.

I don't know. Like I said, I want to say Reynor's IEM trophy is legit, but that "offline" qualification is bound to pop up in the future.So might as well just accept it's going to happen.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
FCHK
Profile Joined August 2020
203 Posts
February 12 2023 13:44 GMT
#273
Oliveira is stealing one from GuMigod here
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
231 Posts
February 12 2023 13:44 GMT
#274
On February 12 2023 22:33 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.

I personally consider it half a world championship because it was online. Not a knock on Reynor, he played so well and is clearly capable of winning an offline world championship, but there will always be that asterik on that win.


Ehh, hasn't Reynor also been a finalist at the last three world championships? I get the sentiment with the online component, but that win was well-deserved considering who he played
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7195 Posts
February 12 2023 13:44 GMT
#275
Reynor doing the smart thing of taking OL speed when youre the superior player. Why not pay 100/100 for full scouting info.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
February 12 2023 13:45 GMT
#276
The peak of 2 starport BC play is still TY beating Serral with 2/1/1 into surprise 2 port BC.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Blissyu2
Profile Joined February 2023
Australia19 Posts
February 12 2023 13:47 GMT
#277
We will have 1 foreigner in the semi-finals - the winner of this match. Last year we had 3. Are foreigners getting worse or are Koreans getting better? Or just luck?
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16125 Posts
February 12 2023 13:48 GMT
#278
On February 12 2023 22:44 Glorfindelio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2023 22:33 dysenterymd wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:30 swarminfestor wrote:
On February 12 2023 22:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
Also another update: with Serral being defeated Rogue continues to hold the scepter of most IEM Katowice championships of any SC2 player.

Reynor is the last player remaining in the tournament with a chance to tie that record.


But one trophy by Reynor is still questionable, right even it is legit? Because the whole tournament was conducted during the online era.

I personally consider it half a world championship because it was online. Not a knock on Reynor, he played so well and is clearly capable of winning an offline world championship, but there will always be that asterik on that win.


Ehh, hasn't Reynor also been a finalist at the last three world championships? I get the sentiment with the online component, but that win was well-deserved considering who he played


Being a finalist doesn't count for much in SC2's GOAT conversations.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
February 12 2023 13:48 GMT
#279
On February 12 2023 22:45 Elentos wrote:
The peak of 2 starport BC play is still TY beating Serral with 2/1/1 into surprise 2 port BC.


Nah, that stupid scrappy game Innovation won vs Serral takes the cake.

Somewhere much lower down the list is Oliveira vs Reynor game 1.
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-02-12 13:50:52
February 12 2023 13:48 GMT
#280
On February 12 2023 22:29 Argonauta wrote:
Just rewatched G5, at some point Serra scouted with a ling drones moving from the natural entrance to the third like normal droning, but Ragnarok was transfering workers from either the nat or the main to the 3rd to make the illusion of droning. Props to Ragna for that.

Good point. This may have been the major part of Serral's rationale for gg'ing. It seems unlikely that he thought he would not hold the push eventually, even with some losses. Probably he thought after defending he would be massively behind in economy, whereas in actuality they would be on roughly equal footing.
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